Looking ahead KL vs Dhawan whom will you choose in ODI Cricket?

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, Khota said:

Then why are forcing choices over here. Dhawan should be playing. End of discussion.

coz u have to think of future

Thats what great sides do . Aus said goodbye to steve waugh after he won the Wc in ODI

 

Hence the discussion begins

[Ankit_sharma03]

 

 

[Khota]

11 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

coz u have to think of future

Thats what great sides do . Aus said goodbye to steve waugh after he won the Wc in ODI

 

Hence the discussion begins

This is atleast 2 to 3 yrs out. Very premature and KL may not be the replacement either. Someone else may come along.

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, Khota said:

This is atleast 2 to 3 yrs out. Very premature and KL may not be the replacement either. Someone else may come along.

No one prep one year prior

We did the same with number 4 and messed it up. KL n mayank are in form if not now then when?

Yes kl may fail to live but to prove that he needs enough chances so if he fails we have enough time to look beyond.

[Khota]

2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

No one prep one year prior

We did the same with number 4 and messed it up. KL n mayank are in form if not now then when?

Yes kl may fail to live but to prove that he needs enough chances so if he fails we have enough time to look beyond.

Based on what II see KL/Mayan and Iyer are all in the mix.

[prudent_kreeda]

You need to make a start somehow to have replacements. 

I would like to see a plan chalked out like this.

1. India will not play Dhawan & Rohit as openers in series vs SL, BD, AFG NZ in short Format & Virat will also skip SL BD  AFG short format series 

2. T20s against minnows -  Openers should be KL & Shaw. Both Dhawan & Mayank are not the best option for T20 . Check what Shaw does in about 8-10 matches. I am sure he will be a success and will become a candidate for 50 overs also in due course.

3.  50 Overs  Vs Minnows : -

> Play KL & Mayank initially  and then move onto KL & Shaw , unless Mayank is a great success which i am not sure. So ultimately it would be KL & Shaw even in 50 overs  vs minnows .

> Play Gill at #3 in SL, BD , AFG & NZ matches . You will have tested and kept ready a potential #3 or #4 . If TM  really analysed at the failure of India in WC tournies it is the top 3 going bust . There should be a plan to avoid it . Hence it is very important , Virat takes control of the match at #4 going forward and guide the middle order. Hence we need a guy for #3.

AGAINST Aus, Eng, WI 

T20s :  Play  Rohith & KL initially . If anyone fails , try Shaw.

50 Overs : 

>Try Shikhar & Rohith initially . As we move along , trend would be clear that one of them will start going down. Play KL .Even within a series play KL in atleast 1 match. 

> Consider Gill as a potential #4 in 50 overs . If Iyer fails , play Gill.

 > If Pant does not improve his WKeeping , consider KL for WK.

 

If  TM sticks to this plan , 

> We would have at least 2 ready openers with some good experience.

> Would have Iyer , KL & Pant with more games  and would know by then who should be backed for your WC23 team.

> Would have created a back up #4 in case Iyer fails .

> Would have a back up WK if Pant fails .

> Would have an experienced  #3 in Gill , so that Virat can come down at #4 in 1.5 - 2 years time .

 

Am considering here only talented guys who can make it at international level and have a definite higher ceiling.

 

 

 

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 minutes ago, Khota said:

Based on what II see KL/Mayan and Iyer are all in the mix.

age n form all 3 have it

Dhawan lacks age n form both

 

mix isnt enough....they need experience. Rahul n PAnt were taken with less then 10 games Exp in Wc cant do same stupidity again

Edited December 22, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[jusarrived]

Honestly I would not chuck Dhawan out yet from ODIs , but have a gut feeling we have already seen best of him . 

KL though still has a few issues to fix , especially his game feeble overs after power plays . He seems to bog down for no reason , starts playing second fiddle to either Rohit or Virat , while his role should be that of an aggressor 

[Khota]

2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

age n form all 3 have it

Dhawan lacks age n form both

 

mix isnt enough....they need experience. Rahul n PAnt were taken with less then 10 games Exp in Wc cant do same stupidity again

Bats can go for long time and in recently concluded series he was in better form than KL.

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 minutes ago, Khota said:

Bats can go for long time and in recently concluded series he was in better form than KL.

Post wc dhawan has failed in every series

[ganeshran]

Dhawan is first choice opener for now. If he consistently fails for a year TM should think of benching him. Rahul can play number 4 or 5 with shreyas Iyer taking the other number. Pant after both of them. Decently strong middle order 

[bowl_out]

9 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

So if he is good for next 2-3 yrs and then we move on to next which will give the next batsman max 1-2 ye before wc and in between what if he goes through bad patch...ull bring next one who will get no time.

Even though I agree in principle, there are many ex players who have raised their voice vehemently against such plans. Most notably Gambhir and Harbhajan... Given the history and given that Dada is at the helm and Kohli is an emotional guy having his favorites, they won't give up easily on Dhawan

Edited December 23, 2019 by bowl_out

[Khota]

6 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Post wc dhawan has failed in every series

Except for the last one when he outperformed your golden boy.

[Lannister]

Boot out this pathetic excuse of a senior cricketer or he is going to cost one more ICC tournament. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

5 hours ago, ganeshran said:

Dhawan is first choice opener for now. If he consistently fails for a year TM should think of benching him. Rahul can play number 4 or 5 with shreyas Iyer taking the other number. Pant after both of them. Decently strong middle order 

Which means ull go without 6th bowler and change KL n iyer position 

[Sooda]

3 hours ago, Lannister said:

Boot out this pathetic excuse of a senior cricketer or he is going to cost one more ICC tournament. 

Do you mean Dhawan? If so when did he *cost* us an ICC tourno

[Sooda]

14 hours ago, Khota said:

Both. This is not a binary decision.

This I agree with, and would like Virat to play at 4 - I know , and can see why, it won't /shouldn't happen - but  Been saying it for a year . Question is who would bat at 3, prior to WC I thought KL at 3.  (  that means no Iyer, but so be it)

 

Rohit, KL, Dhawan, Virat, Hardik, Pant, Jadeja, Bhuvaneswar, Chahal, Kuldeep,Jasprit

Edited December 23, 2019 by Sooda

[Sooda]

6 hours ago, ganeshran said:

Dhawan is first choice opener for now. If he consistently fails for a year TM should think of benching him. Rahul can play number 4 or 5 with shreyas Iyer taking the other number. Pant after both of them. Decently strong middle order 

Then we shoe horn Hardik at 7 and Jadeja (?) At 8  which  is too low for them. Also then we'll play 5 bowlers, we *need* a 6th bowler. For me the Team has to have both RJ and HP and 4 frontline bowlers.

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, Sooda said:

This I agree with, and would like Virat to play at 4 - I know , and can see why, it won't /shouldn't happen - but  Been saying it for a year . Question is who would bat at 3, prior to WC I thought KL at 3. 

then where wud iyer go ??

cant keep changing position when someone is settling down

[Sooda]

5 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

then where wud iyer go ??

cant keep changing position when someone is settling down

I know, he's been v good, but tbh I would drop him to shoe horn all 3 of RS , SD and KL. Probably very unfair thing to do.