zen Posted January 24, 2020 Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) 1983: Beat Eng comprehensively. And then the WI in final 1987: Lost to Eng in SF 1996: Lost to SL in SF 2003: Beat Kenya in SF and lost to Aus in F 2011: Beat whipping boys Pak in SF and SL in F 2015: Lost to Aus in SF 2019: Lost to NZ in SF Except in 1983, an outlier event, Ind has usually defeated minnows and Asian teams Usually, when Ind loses against non Asian teams, it is smashed badly Usually, we are chasing against the non-Asian teams People who have been doing well in the group games, tend to fail except on a few occasions How do we improve our win % against non-Asian teams? Edited January 24, 2020 by zen
R!TTER Posted January 24, 2020 Posted January 24, 2020 Bat first & don't *in invite the opposition to bat, looking at you SCG & Brat AuxiliA 1
sandeep Posted January 24, 2020 Posted January 24, 2020 22 minutes ago, zen said: How do we improve our win % against non-Asian teams? By not beating ourselves. That's it. That's all that's needed.
Nikola Posted January 24, 2020 Posted January 24, 2020 I guess we are batting 2nd again if we play t20 worldcup final this year looking at Kohli's love for chase.
zen Posted January 24, 2020 Author Posted January 24, 2020 Toss in lost games: 1987 SF: India, elected to field first 1996 SF: India , elected to field first 2003 F: India , elected to field first 2015 SF: Australia , elected to bat first 2019 SF: New Zealand , elected to bat first nevada 1
Global.Baba Posted January 24, 2020 Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, zen said: Toss in lost games: 1987 SF: India, elected to field first 1996 SF: India , elected to field first 2003 F: India , elected to field first 2015 SF: Australia , elected to bat first 2019 SF: New Zealand , elected to bat first Despite that record our captain decided to chase in 2017 CT . Also to add we pulled of one of the greatest wins defending in 1983 and also in the 2007 WT20 and 1985 world championship and 2013 Ct Edited January 24, 2020 by Global.Baba
Autonomous Posted January 25, 2020 Posted January 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Global.Baba said: Despite that record our captain decided to chase in 2017 CT . Also to add we pulled of one of the greatest wins defending in 1983 and also in the 2007 WT20 and 1985 world championship and 2013 Ct Decision to bowl was terrible in CT 2017 Final. Maybe Kohli was too chilled out.
Norman Posted January 25, 2020 Posted January 25, 2020 3 hours ago, Autonomous said: Decision to bowl was terrible in CT 2017 Final. Maybe Kohli was too chilled out. We couldn't defend 330+ against Sri Lanka at the same ground earlier in the tournament. So, it's unfair to criticize Kohli for that decisions. Yes, you could argue that the pressure of chasing a total in a final could be there but I think we can give the benefit of doubt to him. New guy and nevada 1 1
R!TTER Posted January 25, 2020 Posted January 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Norman said: We couldn't defend 330+ against Sri Lanka at the same ground earlier in the tournament. So, it's unfair to criticize Kohli for that decisions. Yes, you could argue that the pressure of chasing a total in a final could be there but I think we can give the benefit of doubt to him. You do remember Pak's history while chasing though don't you? Of the top 4 or 5 cricketing nations they're by far the worst chasers, heck a stronger team in 2011 couldn't chase a below par total in the WC SF! No mater how you put it, the decision to bowl was diabolical
New guy Posted January 25, 2020 Posted January 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Norman said: We couldn't defend 330+ against Sri Lanka at the same ground earlier in the tournament. So, it's unfair to criticize Kohli for that decisions. Yes, you could argue that the pressure of chasing a total in a final could be there but I think we can give the benefit of doubt to him. No team has chased a 310+ score in history of any big final. And Pakistan are not Sri Lanka and have never ever chased well
Norman Posted January 25, 2020 Posted January 25, 2020 52 minutes ago, R!TTER said: You do remember Pak's history while chasing though don't you? History doesn't matter in sport. Pak were chasing totals comfortably in that tournament and their bowlers were restricting the teams to 230-240 type totals regularly using reverse swing with the older ball. It was not a bad decision to bowl first at all. Bumrah's noball completely turned the tide and we never got back in it.
Norman Posted January 25, 2020 Posted January 25, 2020 48 minutes ago, New guy said: No team has chased a 310+ score in history of any big final. And Pakistan are not Sri Lanka and have never ever chased well And how are you so sure that we would have made 310+ if we batted first ?
New guy Posted January 25, 2020 Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Norman said: And how are you so sure that we would have made 310+ if we batted first ? No I am saying chasing in an ICC final is retarded. Statistically overwhelmingly favors team batting first And with Pakistan you dont need 310, even 250 and we would have won. No way ciuld fakhat etc have chased under pressure, they would throw their wickets away. I used the 310 example as previous poster was talking about sri lanka chasing 330 Edited January 25, 2020 by New guy
Autonomous Posted January 25, 2020 Posted January 25, 2020 18 minutes ago, New guy said: No I am saying chasing in an ICC final is retarded. Statistically overwhelmingly favors team batting first And with Pakistan you dont need 310, even 250 and we would have won. No way ciuld fakhat etc have chased under pressure, they would throw their wickets away. I used the 310 example as previous poster was talking about sri lanka chasing 330 I think @Norman has a point. If we had toned india's total down to 250-260 then likes of Mian Malik and Hafeez would have ensured the chase since they are kings of these modest chases.
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