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^ Bhai, what is disgusting? Half of them Living in west, marry atleast their one cousin or someone for just immigration.  It was so bad that, to deter, UK made a rule that you can marry but you have to show That you can afford the person without making him/her as one more dependent on State handouts.

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After reading this news, and the comments by Right Wing Americans under it, it seems to me that, unfortunately, Hatred decrease the IQ level even more than the cousin marriage. 

 

Now FBI is involved, but still no results. What a JOKE.

 

There are absolutely no proofs that Elmi is her brother. Actually this marriage was not even needed while as sibling Elmi would have automatically got the US citizenship and thus they didn't need to marry each other (link). 

 

At maximum, allegation is this that she was in contact with her first husband Hirsi, even during the period when she was married to Elmi.  And this contact was in form of them giving the same address for their traffic fines and giving tax returns together in year 2014 and 2015. 

 

There are many cases of divorce where both partners stay in friendly contact even after the divorce (especially when they have children). In many cases people also use the post addresses of ex-partner, in the same way as we could help any of our friend by allowing him to use postal address of our house. 

 

And then tax returns in 2014 also does not proof that it was a sham marriage, while Elmi had already left US in 2011, while the tax returns were made in 2014 when both Omar and Hirsi were again living together and already had a third child. At maximum it could be a mistake, while contrary to Europe, US still not allows the partners to give tax returns together. So, how could the millions of US right wingers and their media still making it an issue for sham marriage? 

 

IQ should also mean that a person could get rid of all types of prejudices and could examine things at the merit. 

 

But I am afraid that issue for Right Wing is absolutely not  the TRUTH, or JUSTICE, but they have become the blood thirsty wolf, who wanted to eat the lamb, and thus made all types of wrong allegations against the lamb and finally ate it up. Right Wing does not want to win the argument, but they want to use power and propaganda and deception to achieve their goals.

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2 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

There are absolutely no proofs that Elmi is her brother. Actually this marriage was not even needed while as sibling Elmi would have automatically got the US citizenship and thus they didn't need to marry each other (link). 

 

:cheer: I am not someone who has gone through Ammerican immigration system , but I am certain that this can never happen. Siblings who has reached age of marriage are treated individual Adults in every country.

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1 hour ago, mishra said:

:cheer: I am not someone who has gone through Ammerican immigration system , but I am certain that this can never happen. Siblings who has reached age of marriage are treated individual Adults in every country.

 

Ilhan came with her parents and with her 6 Siblings to US, and she was the youngest one. 

All 6 of them got US immigration without any problem. But never have they mentioned about Elmi (who is 2 years younger than Ilhan). 

Why?

 

If Elmi really belonged to that family, then:

* He would have come to US along with them. 

* At least he would have been mentioned in the papers by the family. 

* Elmi got all the chances for next 18 years to come to US, but he didn't.


Whole right wing of US is unable to provide a single proof that Elmi had been ever mentioned as brother of Ilhan anywhere. And now FBI is probing and still no results. 

 

But despite having absolutely NO proofs, still the Right Wing Media is totally successful in spreading all kinds of hatred against Ilhan, and has already succeeded in portraying her as a Lair. 

 

US under right wing is nothing else than "Might is Right". 

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^ See, You made a claim and I just responded, its not possible to award a adult person American Citizenship on basis of being sibling. As far as case is concerned you are confusing everyone by writting whole thesis. Let me simplify it for you.

 

 

A married B religiously and has 2 kids, Perfectly fine

Later, A marries  C (Her cousin) legally within US system

C gets US citizenship on basis of marriage

A divorces C and then next month

A legally marries B

 

Its open and shut case as long as long as intentions of ABC can be prooven colluding hence ow ABC lived together under same roof and durations tax returns and if B married someone or not and why and so on can be exposed to jury.

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10 hours ago, mishra said:

^ Bhai, what is disgusting? Half of them Living in west, marry atleast their one cousin or someone for just immigration.  It was so bad that, to deter, UK made a rule that you can marry but you have to show That you can afford the person without making him/her as one more dependent on State handouts.

Marrying cousin is a common Practice among a lot of communities while I may not be in favor of that but marrying your own brother, now that’s on a different level altogether.

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21 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

Marrying cousin is a common Practice among a lot of communities while I may not be in favor of that but marrying your own brother, now that’s on a different level altogether.

Could be brother from another mother. Does it matter. My point is about marrying for purpose if immigration which is generally the case. Of over 2 billion opposite sex of marriage age, they never find anyone outside their family/extended family who is always living in another Country.

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2 hours ago, mishra said:

^ See, You made a claim and I just responded, its not possible to award a adult person American Citizenship on basis of being sibling.

 

This does not answer the very basic questions, i.e. if he really son of the family, why didn't he migrated with them to US? 


Or even in US, they could have given his name as part of their family. 

 

There is ABSOLUTELY no other proof that they are siblings. 

 

Therefore, people neglect these BASIC questions while blaming Ilhan for marrying her brother, while actually they are the most important questions. 

 

2 hours ago, mishra said:

 

A married B religiously and has 2 kids, Perfectly fine

Later, A marries  C (Her cousin) legally within US system

C gets US citizenship on basis of marriage

I don't think that C got the citizenship. Elmi lived in US only for 2 years (from 2009 to 2011). Afterwards he returned to UK.

 

Remember, Elmi didn't come to US from any 3rd wold country, but he was already the citizen of UK. 

 

2 hours ago, mishra said:

A divorces C and then next month

A legally marries B

No, they didn't married B next month, but only in 2018.  

 

Although C (Elmi) had already left for UK in 2011, but he didn't divorce her legally. The case went to the court and there Ilhan got the divorce. 

 

2 hours ago, mishra said:

Its open and shut case as long as long as intentions of ABC can be prooven colluding hence ow ABC lived together under same roof and durations tax returns and if B married someone or not and why and so on can be exposed to jury.

There are two allegations made by Right Wing:

 

1) Ilhan and Elmi are siblings. 

Proofs =  ABSOLUTELY Zero

 

2) They married with the ill intention of getting US citizenship for Elmi

Proofs = Again ZERO

 

If Elmi really wanted citizenship, then he would have stayed in US after 2011 too. 

 

Till 2011 no one made this allegation. Therefore, it is "Impossible"  to make this allegation in 2018 without any proof. But still Right Wing is making the same allegation, and with complete success due to their power of propaganda. 

 

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I already made it clear that tax returns were from year 2014, when Elmi had already left, while Ilhan got another child from Hirsi. They were indeed living as pair together. 

 

Even according to the US law, making such tax returns come under "mistake" and not "crime". 

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On 1/29/2020 at 5:48 PM, Alam_dar said:

This does not answer the very basic questions, i.e. if he really son of the family, why didn't heI

Once again. A  religiously weds B Has two kids.

then A weds C

C gets citizenship

A divorces C, then Next month A marries B again. 
Yes next month. 
 

A and C remained together for minimum period which fulfilled technical requirements of Immigration and as soon as immigration was sorted A filed divorce.

A and B had third child while divorce proceedings were on. 


No one saying brother. Everyone is using (brother as in cousin). Having a cousin or brother is NOT offence. Offence is immigration fraud as committed above. 

Chk timelines and other related facts on absolutely left wing NYT,  However you have made the verdict that A B and C are not guilty because of your background then you shouldn’t complain about others. And hence. Dont claim that you are left wing when i see anyone supporting Omar is nothing but another Jihadi sympathiser  or Jihadi funded.

 

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5 hours ago, mishra said:

Once again. A  religiously weds B Has two kids.

then A weds C

C gets citizenship

C (i.e. Elmi) neither got citizenship, nor green card.

He returned to UK without having any green card. 

5 hours ago, mishra said:

A divorces C, then Next month A marries C again. 
Yes next month. 
 

It is not about a month. 

They got divorced religiously, and after Iddah (waiting period of 3 months), she remarried Hirsi. . 

Both of them knew each other. It may be possible that they had already planned it much before the divorce. 

Therefore, I don't think this "next month" marriage is either a crime or a proof against her. 

 

5 hours ago, mishra said:

A and C remained together for minimum period which fulfilled technical requirements of Immigration and as soon as immigration was sorted A filed divorce.

No, Elmi never applied for US green card. 

 

No, Islamically she had been divorced before going to Hirsi again. 

 

As far as LEGAL divorce is concerned, then she got it only in 2017 (through court while Elmi didn't co-operated during the procedure of divorce). 

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No one saying brother.

Actually all were saying "real brother". 

Even FBI has to investigate if she married her own real brother. 

Since this story was very weak, therefore, later some are trying to change this allegation. 

 

5 hours ago, mishra said:

Offence is immigration fraud as committed above. 

Yes.

But this fraud should be proved FIRST. 

At moment not a single Proof has been presented, but already a tons o false stories have been published against her. And all those stories were based only upon conjectures or lies. 

 

5 hours ago, mishra said:


However you have made the verdict that A B and C are not guilty because of your background then you shouldn’t complain about others. And hence. Dont claim that you are left wing when i see anyone supporting Omar is nothing but another Jihadi sympathiser  or Jihadi funded.

My mind is very clear on the PRINCIPLES of the Justice. You have to bring PROOFS if you are the one who are blaming someone else. But in case of Ilhan, the right wing Americans have been constantly coming up with their conjectures only, where they have made such conspiracy theories that both of them are real siblings. 

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First you Outrageously claimed a adult sibling automatically get citizenship on basis of sibling hence Ilham is innocent. False


Next you claimed she didn’t remarried her husband next month. False

 

Now you claimed in that her immigrant cousin didn’t applied green card after sham marriage. he applied green card on basis of 2 year sham marriage. So false again.

 

Now you want to claim that Sham marriage wasn’t for green card while she allready was busy making kids with her actual husband because its only fraud if that man is her brother. Laughable.

 

Here in UK, there was a European crime ring busted where modus operandi was exactly same. Few years of marriage for PR.Group of women kept marrying again and again and marriage lasted just couple of years

 

Now don’t tell me how illegal no good immigrant go out of way to circumvent legal system.


There are many possible  circumstantial evidence in this case. Do you want DNA test, Do you want call logs of her real husband and locations. Do want call logs of regular calls between the duo. No! You want to claim that she is victimsed without even a proper enquiry.

 

As far as ur “principal “ is concerned, There are thousands of of senators in American hiuse, You choose to voluntarily defend a fraud for reasons well know to everyone while deliberately ignore any topic on this forum where Green Mentality is killing/raping enmAsse.

Whatever lecturers you have posted about Islam on this forum is nothing unknown. Google uncle and Jews have allready dine their bit exposing such verses and behaviour.

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2 hours ago, mishra said:

First you Outrageously claimed a adult sibling automatically get citizenship on basis of sibling hence Ilham is innocent. False

There was a misunderstanding and I made it clear in the next post that Elmi didn't need to marry his sister, while if he was a real brother, then he got full 9 years time to automatically get the immigration to US till he became adult. (Elmi is 3 years younger than Ilhan, and Ilhan was the youngest among her siblings). 

 

This was the  "Most Basic Question", which you and all others have been constantly neglecting. 

 

2 hours ago, mishra said:


Next you claimed she didn’t remarried her husband next month. False

I already made it clear that according to her she went through 3 months of waiting period. 

 

Even if she married next month, still it is not a crime according to the US law ( ... actually Ilhan didn't marry Hirsi in 2011, but they started living together after Islamic Nikah). 

 

Therefore, this point of her marrying next month has absolutely no value from any angle. One could prove nothing against Ilhan by making this allegation. 

 

2 hours ago, mishra said:

Now you claimed in that her immigrant cousin didn’t applied green card after sham marriage. he applied green card on basis of 2 year sham marriage. So false again.

As far as I remember, then Elmi didn't get the Green Card. If you have a proof for it, then please post. 

 

Actually, this green card also matters nothing while if you leave US for more than 6 months to 12 months, then your green card automatically get cancelled. And Elmi indeed left US. 

 

Therefore, it would be foolish to believe that Elmi and Ilhan did all this drama and suffered pains to get green card, and then cancel it in the next 6 months. 

 

2 hours ago, mishra said:


There are many possible  circumstantial evidence in this case. Do you want DNA test, Do you want call logs of her real husband and locations. Do want call logs of regular calls between the duo. No! You want to claim that she is victimsed without even a proper enquiry.

Off course if there is any circumstantial evidence, then no one could deny it. 

 

But problem is this that right wing is claiming that they are real siblings. If they are making this allegation, then they should also come up with sold proofs, which they are not doing. 

 

2 hours ago, mishra said:

As far as ur “principal “ is concerned, There are thousands of of senators in American hiuse, You choose to voluntarily defend a fraud for reasons well know to everyone while deliberately ignore any topic on this forum where Green Mentality is killing/raping enmAsse.

Whatever lecturers you have posted about Islam on this forum is nothing unknown. Google uncle and Jews have allready dine their bit exposing such verses and behaviour.

Yes it is easy to attack me personally due to my past of belonging to Islam. 

 

But what about millions of Left Wing Americans, who are neither Muslims nor Ex-Muslims, but still they support Ilhan? it is same story with Indian Left Wing Secularists too, although they are also neither Muslims nor ex-Muslims. 

 

Left Wing has it's own way of thinking and principles, which always contradict the extremist right wing approach. 

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