zen Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 The numbers so far for guidance: Top Order Batting View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa or Sri Lanka or West Indies Batting position between 1 and 3 Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 2000 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 11 of 11 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 V Kohli 2008-2020 173 171 25 8935 183 61.19 9545 93.60 33 44 12 RG Sharma 2008-2020 127 125 11 6323 264 55.46 6854 92.25 24 26 5 SR Tendulkar 1992-2012 304 300 17 12932 200* 45.69 14857 87.04 35 67 12 S Dhawan 2010-2020 118 116 7 4857 143 44.55 5152 94.27 14 26 5 SC Ganguly 1996-2007 215 208 11 7803 183 39.60 10650 73.26 14 51 14 R Dravid 1996-2011 118 115 5 4238 153 38.52 6102 69.45 7 30 6 NS Sidhu 1987-1998 109 104 5 3726 134* 37.63 5388 69.15 5 28 5 G Gambhir 2003-2013 127 124 8 4359 150* 37.57 5118 85.16 9 28 11 V Sehwag 2001-2013 187 184 5 6451 219 36.03 6259 103.06 13 28 11 SM Gavaskar 1974-1987 78 78 7 2489 103* 35.05 4045 61.53 1 23 6 K Srikkanth 1981-1992 140 139 4 3978 123 29.46 5538 71.83 4 27 10 MO Batting View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa or Sri Lanka or West Indies Batting position between 4 and 7 Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 2000 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 9 of 9 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 MS Dhoni 2005-2019 289 248 71 8580 139* 48.47 9983 85.94 5 62 6 R Dravid 1996-2007 161 151 24 4941 109* 38.90 6850 72.13 3 41 7 M Azharuddin 1985-2000 239 227 40 6813 111* 36.43 9014 75.58 4 43 4 DB Vengsarkar 1978-1991 83 76 14 2223 95* 35.85 3218 69.08 0 16 5 Yuvraj Singh 2000-2017 243 224 28 6988 150 35.65 8136 85.88 11 41 16 A Jadeja 1992-2000 128 115 25 3157 119 35.07 4273 73.88 4 14 6 SR Tendulkar 1989-2007 95 91 14 2563 113 33.28 3321 77.17 3 18 8 SK Raina 2005-2018 175 154 25 4266 106 33.06 4641 91.91 2 27 12 N Kapil Dev 1978-1994 205 185 35 3423 87 22.82 3654 93.67 0 13 13 Pace Bowling View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa or Sri Lanka or West Indies Type of bowler (by style) pace bowler Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 80 Ordered by bowling average (ascending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 14 of 14 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns Balls Runs Wkts BBI Ave Econ SR 4 5 Mohammed Shami 2013-2020 65 64 3293 3144 119 5/69 26.42 5.72 27.6 7 1 JJ Bumrah 2016-2020 56 56 2905 2255 83 5/27 27.16 4.65 35.0 2 1 N Kapil Dev 1978-1994 214 210 10685 6664 241 5/43 27.65 3.74 44.3 3 1 M Prabhakar 1984-1996 120 117 5898 4251 144 5/33 29.52 4.32 40.9 3 2 J Srinath 1991-2003 201 199 10452 7961 266 5/24 29.92 4.57 39.2 6 2 AB Agarkar 1998-2007 147 144 7031 6297 208 6/42 30.27 5.37 33.8 6 2 I Sharma 2007-2016 79 77 3673 3515 114 4/34 30.83 5.74 32.2 6 0 A Nehra 2001-2011 101 101 4976 4433 142 6/23 31.21 5.34 35.0 5 2 IK Pathan 2004-2012 109 107 5279 4749 151 5/61 31.45 5.39 34.9 4 1 Z Khan 2000-2012 161 158 8153 6937 207 5/42 33.51 5.10 39.3 2 1 BKV Prasad 1994-2001 134 133 6778 5368 158 5/27 33.97 4.75 42.8 2 1 B Kumar 2012-2019 101 100 4827 4115 117 5/42 35.17 5.11 41.2 3 1 UT Yadav 2010-2018 64 63 3154 3203 91 4/53 35.19 6.09 34.6 3 0 SC Ganguly 1992-2007 246 137 3553 3043 81 5/16 37.56 5.13 43.8 1 1 Spin Bowling View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa or Sri Lanka or West Indies Type of bowler (by style) spin bowler Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 80 Ordered by bowling average (ascending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 8 of 8 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns Balls Runs Wkts BBI Ave Econ SR 4 5 Kuldeep Yadav 2017-2020 55 53 2892 2523 97 6/25 26.01 5.23 29.8 4 1 A Kumble 1990-2007 231 225 12291 8988 270 6/12 33.28 4.38 45.5 6 2 R Ashwin 2010-2017 100 98 5361 4460 132 3/24 33.78 4.99 40.6 0 0 Harbhajan Singh 1998-2015 198 189 10426 7651 224 5/31 34.15 4.40 46.5 1 3 RJ Shastri 1981-1992 145 131 6395 4520 126 5/15 35.87 4.24 50.7 2 1 RA Jadeja 2009-2020 142 138 7201 5984 158 5/36 37.87 4.98 45.5 5 1 Yuvraj Singh 2000-2017 257 137 4301 3699 91 4/28 40.64 5.16 47.2 1 0 SR Tendulkar 1989-2012 399 228 6975 5887 123 5/32 47.86 5.06 56.7 3 2 Pick your 12 for most conditions!
Ankit_sharma03 Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 Rohit Sachin Kohli KL Rahul Yuvi Dhoni Kapil kumble Shami Zak Bumrah Sir jadeja
maniac Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 You can’t filter these by stats. Kapil Dev’s average as a one man army cannot be compared to the current attack with all the necessary support. Steve Waugh IIRC scored 1-2 100s throughout his career and we have someone like Babar Azam already having 10 100s or something. Kohli or even guys like Rohit and Dhawan have 100s for the taking once they play out the new ball. 2 new balls may increase the challenge for a couple of overs at the start in helpful conditions but 2 relatively newer balls in the middle with the new rules, I am sure some players from the recent past like SRT,Lara,Ponting or even guys like Jayasuriya, Kallis,M.Waugh etc would have scored a lot more 100s then they ended up with
zen Posted April 11, 2020 Author Posted April 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, maniac said: You can’t filter these by stats. Kapil Dev’s average as a one man army cannot be compared to the current attack with all the necessary support. Steve Waugh IIRC scored 1-2 100s throughout his career and we have someone like Babar Azam already having 10 100s or something. Kohli or even guys like Rohit and Dhawan have 100s for the taking once they play out the new ball. 2 new balls may increase the challenge for a couple of overs at the start in helpful conditions but 2 relatively newer balls in the middle with the new rules, I am sure some players from the recent past like SRT,Lara,Ponting or even guys like Jayasuriya, Kallis,M.Waugh etc would have scored a lot more 100s then they ended up with yeah, points such as par scores have to be factored in .... Someone like Gavaskar could average 60-70 in this era
maniac Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Rohit Sachin Kohli KL Rahul Yuvi Dhoni Kapil kumble Shami Zak Bumrah Sir jadeja Sir Jadeja in odis lol. KL Rahul needs to make his spot in the X1 conformed first before making it to ATG X1. Azhar (obviously overlooked for obvious reasons so understand),Ganguly, Dravid are all ahead. Also can play Gambhir at 3 and Kohli at 4. Agarkar or Srinath over Shami in ODis Rest pretty much I agree.
maniac Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 Here is my X1 Rohit Sachin Gambhir/Dada Kohli Yuvi Dhoni/Dravid Kapil Harbhajan/Agarkar Kumble Zak Bumrah If I pick Dada ahead of Gambhir I will then bring Dravid in as Dada will be my captain. Dhoni pretty much for the entire 2nd career played Dravid type consolidating knocks anyway and Dravid in his 2nd half played a lot more clutch and attacking knocks with proper strokeplay. Funny though I have room for only one of Dravid and Dhoni obviously in tests both would play. Rasgulla, raki05 and Jimmy Cliff 2 1
Rasgulla Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 15 minutes ago, maniac said: Here is my X1 Rohit Sachin Gambhir/Dada Kohli Yuvi Dhoni/Dravid Kapil Harbhajan/Agarkar Kumble Zak Bumrah If I pick Dada ahead of Gambhir I will then bring Dravid in as Dada will be my captain. Dhoni pretty much for the entire 2nd career played Dravid type consolidating knocks anyway and Dravid in his 2nd half played a lot more clutch and attacking knocks with proper strokeplay. Funny though I have room for only one of Dravid and Dhoni obviously in tests both would play.
zen Posted April 11, 2020 Author Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) Based on a variety of factors including a) numbers, b) era, c) approach, and d) having watched them play Rohit - Slotted in for his overall record but could turn out to be a sitting duck against ATG attacks of WI, Aus, SA, and NZ. Sehwag - Ind's highest SR top order player. Has played some incredible innings in tough conditions as well such as in NZ (2002?). Tendulkar - A consistent top order batsman in most conditions and against most attacks. Kohli - A run machine and great when batting second (Probably shows that he likes it when the equation is clearly laid out). Though not too confident about his batting vs. ATG attacks consisting of high quality swing bowling therefore at #4, where he bats in tests. Yuvi - Utility player, big hitter, can bowl too, and excellent fielder as well. Dhoni - A great finisher. Kapil Dev - Though his batting avg does not do him justice. Among the best batsmen that I saw esp. vs good bowling attacks in all formats. Good enough to play in the top order and average much higher. Irfan - In for his ability to bat, bowl, and field well. Also brings in the left arm bowling angle. A competitive cricketer at his peak. Kuldeep - To provide x factor to the 11. Shami - A wicket taking option. Bumrah - A good all round bowler. Though needs to go for wkts more. 12th man: Raina - for his fielding, batting and utility bowling. Batting order can be flexible. Rohit and Sehwag are given opening duties as they open in tests as well .... Kuldeep is the lone specialist spinner as the 11 has Yuvi and Sehwag too. If a 2nd specialist spinner is required, he can come in place of Irfan .... India has done well in major tournaments when it has a bunch of ARs playing. I would put the Ind ODI AT11 in the bottom half of the table along with AT11 teams of Eng, Pak, and SL. The top half will have WI, Aus, SA, and NZ. The games among SA, NZ, Ind, Eng, Pak, and SL could be competitive to varying degrees. Edited April 12, 2020 by zen
Ankit_sharma03 Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, maniac said: Sir Jadeja in odis lol. KL Rahul needs to make his spot in the X1 conformed first before making it to ATG X1. Azhar (obviously overlooked for obvious reasons so understand),Ganguly, Dravid are all ahead. Also can play Gambhir at 3 and Kohli at 4. Agarkar or Srinath over Shami in ODis Rest pretty much I agree. I knw KL has only played 30 games but as OP says your XI means my choice. I srsly feel KL is the batsman who completes this lineup. In other thread that im creating im mostly picking azhar, gambhir, sehwag, ajay jadeja acc to opposition considering the required logic of playing decent number of games. Shami stats are best n wud have beem even more better had he played with rules that agarkar n srinath played coz of the old ball. Shami is a geniune wkt taker. But agarkar n srinath wud be in my squad definately. Ganguly- where wud he bat ?? Im not a fan of changing position of rohit, sachin or kohli at all. Those 3 became beast batting at those positions so use them to their fullest potential . Acc to ur line up u fit ganguly at 3, now my logic is ganguly wont be as good at 3 as kohli is, kohli wont be as effective at 4 as he is at 3...so why?? Had i had to make an adjustment for some like ponting or viv i wud have thought . Kohli game is best suited for no.3 ....he is my best batsman n ill use him where he is at best. Plus when ever i make ODI sides i look for 2 things in a player running between wkts n fielding ...in both aress ganguly wasnt great. So if given a choice ill for dhawan ...dhawan is very underrated. Dravid - i liked him but i want outright match winners. Ill have him as options but not 1st choice. Even though admire n say he over achieved but when other options are avl why not look at them. Sir jadeja is the kind of player which is very tempting. every finger spinner suffered due rules change in field change n 2 new balls doesnt make them bad. He n ashwin were doing well till that rule fcked all fingers spinners in LOI. Players like jadeja are good if used well. Edited April 12, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03
Ankit_sharma03 Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 2 hours ago, maniac said: Dada will be my captain Means ur team will choke in finals Rasgulla 1
zen Posted April 12, 2020 Author Posted April 12, 2020 Shane Warne All-Time Australia XI: M Waugh, A Gilchrist, R Ponting, G Chappell, M Clarke, A Border, A Symonds, M Johnson, S Warne, D Lillee, G McGrath. Reserves: M Hayden, D Jones, M Hussey, G Gilmour, B Lee. Selects himself in it Warne's greatest World ODI XI (from those he played against): Virender Sehwag, Sanath Jayasuriya, Sachin Tendulkar, Brian Lara, Kevin Pietersen, Kumar Sangakkara (wk), Andrew Flintoff, Wasim Akram, Daniel Vettori, Shoaib Akhtar, Curtly Ambrose.
rtmohanlal Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 (edited) On a second thought , replacing Srinath with Zaheer because of him being a left hander . My eleven Sehwag Sourav Rohit Sachin Kohli Yuvraj Dhoni Kapil(c) Shami Zaheer khan Bumrah 12th man: Sreenath Edited April 13, 2020 by rtmohanlal
zen Posted April 12, 2020 Author Posted April 12, 2020 (edited) I prefer batting depth till #8 unless there is a world 11 level specialist bowler to chose from. Usually, the difference in quality of a specialist bowler (from national level ATG bowlers) slotted at #8 and a bowler who can bat too slotted at 8 is not huge Teams such as Aus (Lillee, McGrath, Starc, Lee, and Warne) and WI (Garner, Holding, Ambrose, Walsh, and Marshall) have that kind of luxury to slot a specialist bowler at 8 (as the bowler is good enough to win a game with the ball and the batting also strong enough or reliant on a few key players to not miss relative batting depth) Edited April 12, 2020 by zen
Ankit_sharma03 Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 3 hours ago, rtmohanlal said: My eleven Sehwag Sourav Rohit Sachin Kohli Yuvraj Dhoni Kapil(c) Shami Sreenath Bumrah 12th man: Zaheer khan Kohli at 5 No spinner
rtmohanlal Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Kohli at 5 No spinner Sachin & Kohli are capable of batting any where in the TOP 5. Sachin ,Sehwag & Yuvraj can handle the spin department depending on the conditions.
zen Posted April 13, 2020 Author Posted April 13, 2020 Just now, rtmohanlal said: Sachin ,Sehwag & Yuvraj can handle the spin department depending on the conditions. 4 bowlers & Ganguly + Sehwag + Yuvi + Sachin as 5th-6th bowlers can work in a few games but do you plan to use this combination permanently? If you were to consider a 5th bowler or a bowling AR, who would it be?
velu Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 sehwag sachin kohli rohit ( VC ) ( demoted to accommodate sehwag ) uv dhoni ( C + WK ) kapil kumble shami zakk bumrah
Ankit_sharma03 Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 2 hours ago, rtmohanlal said: Sachin & Kohli are capable of batting any where in the TOP 5. but question are they are their best batting low ?? No not at all 2 hours ago, rtmohanlal said: Sachin ,Sehwag & Yuvraj can handle the spin department depending on the conditions. they were part timers n if its modern rules they wont stand a chance, part timers start to loose control after a point
adithya7 Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 Sehwag Rohit Ganguly Sachin A Jadeja Yuvraj Kapil (C) S Karim (WK) Kumble Agarkar Srinath
raki05 Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 On 4/12/2020 at 8:24 AM, zen said: Shane Warne All-Time Australia XI: M Waugh, A Gilchrist, R Ponting, G Chappell, M Clarke, A Border, A Symonds, M Johnson, S Warne, D Lillee, G McGrath. Reserves: M Hayden, D Jones, M Hussey, G Gilmour, B Lee. Selects himself in it Warne's greatest World ODI XI (from those he played against): Virender Sehwag, Sanath Jayasuriya, Sachin Tendulkar, Brian Lara, Kevin Pietersen, Kumar Sangakkara (wk), Andrew Flintoff, Wasim Akram, Daniel Vettori, Shoaib Akhtar, Curtly Ambrose. No Dhoni.....rasgulley ki maar li Warne ne.
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