Dhoni or Gilchrist .... who was the better cricketer?

[Jimmy Cliff]

21 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

Interesting. Gilchrist played about 65-70% of his test matches against India. in Australia. And just 7 tests in India. His average against India in Tests is 28, which is 20 less than his overall average. It is also the lowest average he has against any test playing nations. 

Looks like those inconsistent poor bowlers did something right against Gilchrist.

Gilly was in feast or famine mode in India. Hit two rapid hundreds in a match-winning cause but also had a string of single digit scores.

[cricket_girl]

I choose Gilchrist！

Edited August 19, 2020 by cricket_girl

[Rightarmfast]

8 hours ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

Gilly was in feast or famine mode in India. Hit two rapid hundreds in a match-winning cause but also had a string of single digit scores.

Thats how he played against any country those days, didnt he? My point was only that Indian fast bowlers were not poor then. By any standards. 

[nevada]

Gilly for me. People forget that the man he replaced, Ian Healy, was a legend himself with excellent keeping and decent batting credentials. Imagine the pressure and scrutiny of replacing a legend. It took Australia 4 years to find a worthy replacement for Rod Marsh but Gilly made a seamless transition right away.

 

He didn't just thrive under pressure, he tore up and rewrote the selection manual for keepers with his thunderous batting in addition to solid keeping. He was an impactful batsman rewriting the script of many a test match. In ODIs, he has 3 world cups to his name, with impactful performances in 2 world cup finals as an opening batsman.

 

Opening AND keeping in ODIs is not a joke yet he pulled it off like it was nothing. Today's keepers have Gilly to thank for making the WK slot a superstar position instead of an under the radar, mostly thankless one. He is a trendsetter and one of a kind. Also, he started his career at the late age of 28 but still put up outstanding numbers, never going for the grafting style of batting to prop up his average or keep his place safe. How many times did fans cuss him for eating up the overs and overstaying for years together as a player? Close to Zero. 

[rkt.india]

11 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

yes, It was a decent attack, but in no era could Srinath and Prasad be called poor bowlers. 

Averaging 35 in tests is poor. Srinath was above average bowler. 

[rtmohanlal]

15 hours ago, Laaloo said:

Lol.  Dude yuvi was much more clutch for india than dhoni and gilly was on another level. The dude has a 149 in a WC Final.

 

i asked if Dhoni scored in any important matches apart from the two I listed, and you’re quoting me bilateral wins. 

clutch need not be   about 'tournament finals' only. Winning 'bilateral series' for the first time after several attempts too have its importance.India's first bilateral series win in  Pakistan was achieved by Dhoni emphatically anchoring & finishing those chases with 2 aggressive  70+ not out scores.Won in AUS by a 2-1 margin only recently after so many attempts. Dhoni anchored with an 87*  in the decider 3rd game.

[rtmohanlal]

on a side note .... would place  Andy Flower above Dhoni  in the list of ATG wicket keepers. Debuting in the 90s and averaging 50+ for a lower ranked team like Zimbabwe, being a good batsman in ODI, he was a champion cricketer too and some one who often  gets overlooked  in 'ATG cricketer' discussions.

so, Gilly >  Flower > Dhoni  as ATG cricketers. 

[Rightarmfast]

19 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Averaging 35 in tests is poor. Srinath was above average bowler. 

You are changing goal post. You mentioned Gilly facing poor bowlers, but he has a bad record against India :)

You are equating Prasads average with whole Indian fast bowling being poor is not correct.

[Rightarmfast]

19 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Averaging 35 in tests is poor. Srinath was above average bowler. 

You are changing goal post. You mentioned Gilly facing poor bowlers, but he has a bad record against India :)

You are equating Prasads average with whole Indian fast bowling being poor is not correct.

[kohli]

18 hours ago, rtmohanlal said:

that one knock in 2011 carries lots and lots of weightage. Also Dhoni was instrumental in India winning  the first ever bilateral ODI series in Pakistan & AUS respectively. His  tournament final blast vs SL in Windies ( 15 off 5 balls in last over)  too comes into mind. 

India already won odi series in Pakistan before dhoni debut .

[rkt.india]

33 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

You are changing goal post. You mentioned Gilly facing poor bowlers, but he has a bad record against India :)

You are equating Prasads average with whole Indian fast bowling being poor is not correct.

Because other than Srinath, all were poor. I mentioned poor bowlers, not just India but others too like SL, England, NZ etc.

[cricketfan28]

Dhoni. 

[Rasgulla]

Big match players both of them. Gilly is amazing keeper to fast bowlers whereas Dhoni is brilliant with spinners and stampings. Dhoni had a captaincy job to do for most of his career. It's tough to chose between two of my fav players but Dhoni might have an edge considering he had multiple jobs to do as a player. 

 

Won't  be looking at average and all that. Different times they started their career. An absolute pleasure to witness both of them