TRUMP VS BIDEN - Fox Presidential Debate thread - 9/29/2020

[asterix]

Don’t agree with VVS. We can’t trust extreme left Biden & Kamala. They might bring some goodies on table fir American Indians but we’ve to also see their foreign policy towards India, specially Kashmir issue and Pakistan. Biden administration will be more biased towards Pakistan. So there...

[adi B]

Trump will win 

[coffee_rules]

18 minutes ago, asterix said:

Don’t agree with VVS. We can’t trust extreme left Biden & Kamala. They might bring some goodies on table fir American Indians but we’ve to also see their foreign policy towards India, specially Kashmir issue and Pakistan. Biden administration will be more biased towards Pakistan. So there...

Even for AmInds economically Republicans are better for taxes and social security, Biden is equally harami compared to Trump. 

[BacktoCricaddict]

14 hours ago, Cricketics said:

 

 

Honestly for indians the choice are shyt. I say again, i wish John Kasich was running for president. But honestly us folks don't have to see India first in every matter, yes we will have soft corner for India, but there is not much either of the two governments will do for India. We are wasting time to expect that either of two will help India. USA has its own shyt to clean before they start helping India. 

Problem is that a moderate like Kasich will only get 3 votes - you & me, and maybe he will reluctantly vote for himself.

[vvvslaxman]

9 hours ago, Real McCoy said:

I didn't quote you here. why the unnecessary response and why are you getting serious and saying you wont take me seriously. like i care what you think of me . as i said, vote for your guy and please don't quote me on here

 

This election is very serious for all Americans. Infact it was all serious last time as well. Because we all expected this scenario at the hands of thin skinned toddler we have. Anger is not towards you or anyone.  It is towards Trump administration. That is why many republicans have jumped ship. It is beyond left/right  democrats/republicans  liberals/conservatives whatever you want to call.  This is abnormal. First priority is to restore to normalcy then we can talk about improving. Democrats can still lose. But we do not want to regret later "We could have done a little more". People are trying everything they can do to increase the turn out. 

[vvvslaxman]

3 hours ago, asterix said:

Don’t agree with VVS. We can’t trust extreme left Biden & Kamala. They might bring some goodies on table fir American Indians but we’ve to also see their foreign policy towards India, specially Kashmir issue and Pakistan. Biden administration will be more biased towards Pakistan. So there...

There is nothing like extreme left as Republicans want to make you believe.  They said the same about Obama. They portray him like a commie. We paid the same  tax as we paid under Bush.   Regarding foreign policy , Biden is way way way more reasonable and have more understanding tan Trumpie who lied that Modi asked him to resolve the kashmir issue. He also told imran he wants to be a deal maker.  India/Pakistan altercation is good for countries that sell arms. If it is resolved they will lose two potential customers :)  There is an army of foreign policy experts that will be formulating these strategies.  Sure President has the capacity to impose sanctions.  There is a better chance Trump will try to get back at India if an Indian waiter serves him a raw fish than Biden going after India. This is a false propaganda based on nothing.  

 

J

[vvvslaxman]

4 hours ago, someone said:

Biden is a Manmohan Singh. The power and the remote control would be in the hands on nutjobs. That gonna be India's immediate concern.

 

Another immediate concern would be the tech and data companies, they are now openly influencing elections, and taking sides. They are no longer a platform, but a publisher, and this has big implications for Indian local elections.

 

 

That is patently false equivalence with no basis.  These are fear mongering rhetorics that are untrue and pure assumptions. Ignoring a gigantic * up of Trump is really disturbing.  Tech/Data companies don't influence. They merely shut down conspiracy theories.   If one party comes up with 64 page of utterly fabricated conspiracy theory just to show an opponent in bad light it must be called out.  They did the same in 2016. But social media was sleeping then. Now they are awake. We don't want a corrupt, anti science, authoritative, racist  government that take everyone 100 years back.  Unless you think Modi is doing the same don't try to draw a parallel with India. Modi is way different from this guy in many ways. 

[asterix]

12 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

There is nothing like extreme left as Republicans want to make you believe.  They said the same about Obama. They portray him like a commie. We paid the same  tax as we paid under Bush.   Regarding foreign policy , Biden is way way way more reasonable and have more understanding tan Trumpie who lied that Modi asked him to resolve the kashmir issue. He also told imran he wants to be a deal maker.  India/Pakistan altercation is good for countries that sell arms. If it is resolved they will lose two potential customers :)  There is an army of foreign policy experts that will be formulating these strategies.  Sure President has the capacity to impose sanctions.  There is a better chance Trump will try to get back at India if an Indian waiter serves him a raw fish than Biden going after India. This is a false propaganda based on nothing.  

 

J

At the moment the main concerns for Indians is to fight the Chinese aggression and its backing to Pak. Biden can’t be trusted to ally India against Chinese, no matter how much you argue. Trump could’ve many failings but Biden can’t match him to support India against a rogue state like China. 
In fact Biden could actually be a puppet of China and would be a disaster when it comes to India and China tussle.

Biden gonna get Indisposed due to his health issues in 2 years time and paving way for the China backed, Leftist Kamala to become the President. She’s no friends of India. . Given an option she’d Ditch India at the first instance...

 

Rest all other issues are USA internal issues. I don’t have much knowledge about it but the Democrats are no better than GOP in your internal matters.

[someone]

15 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

That is patently false equivalence with no basis.  These are fear mongering rhetorics that are untrue and pure assumptions. Ignoring a gigantic * up of Trump is really disturbing.  Tech/Data companies don't influence. They merely shut down conspiracy theories.   If one party comes up with 64 page of utterly fabricated conspiracy theory just to show an opponent in bad light it must be called out.  They did the same in 2016. But social media was sleeping then. Now they are awake. We don't want a corrupt, anti science, authoritative, racist  government that take everyone 100 years back.  Unless you think Modi is doing the same don't try to draw a parallel with India. Modi is way different from this guy in many ways. 

Haha, the Dem entire campaign is fear mongering and anti-Trump. It's no positive campaign and absolute zero pro-Biden voters. Whereas there is extensive Kamala lobby, Left, Islamists, Woke kind of people.

 

And social media manipulation isn't some conspiracy. It's fact that they are overreaching and controlling the narrative. They have their favorite fact-checkers, can control and stop whichever news they prefer or not. Already happened with Hunter Biden, and that was officially done. There are many unofficial ways like shadowban etc. This manipulation has great consequences for Indian elections with ever increasing online users.

 

From Indian context, both are Rahul Gandhis, as both have little track-record, and can do fear mongering. Yet, the Rep side is not aligned with nutjobs and thus, it suits India better.

[vvvslaxman]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/11/02/mccain-why-republican-votes-biden-column/6113484002/

 

Life long republican Cindy McCain . I presume Trump supporting Indians do not have the faintest clue about consequence of the election. Even though Tax increase is only for 400k plus makers they continue to push the theory we will be taxed to death which never happened under Obama.  Ignoring pathetic handling of COVID, promoting racism, violence, division,  range of trade wars with many countries, cutting funds for research, education and focusing on mundane useless issues is not wise.  This "far left" propaganda is useful to shore up the republican base. If you believe all the GOP propaganda i have a bridge to sell to you. They go extraordinary lengths to indulge in character assassination, labelling of candidates  Unfortunately fringe group that support Trump do not gather news from reputable sources. Mostly consume their news from shady, opinionated, low rated propaganda news, GOP memes etc.  Until this guy became the president there was no fake news, no fake media, no fake reporters. This thin skinned buffoon couldn't even sit through 60 minutes. Hillary sat through 13 hours of witch hunting for which they spent millions of dollars tax money. GOP is such a soulless, lawless, corrupt party now.  

 

 

 

 

[coffee_rules]

Hillary with comments like 'Basket of Deplorables' alienated an entire half of America. Now the Dems campaign of Anti_trump calling Trump supporters stupid, lowIQ and only Dem voters are smart, they are doing the same mistake. There should be a positive message , they are offering no alternatives except for fate left policies. 

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, someone said:

Haha, the Dem entire campaign is fear mongering and anti-Trump. It's no positive campaign and absolute zero pro-Biden voters. Whereas there is extensive Kamala lobby, Left, Islamists, Woke kind of people.

 

And social media manipulation isn't some conspiracy. It's fact that they are overreaching and controlling the narrative. They have their favorite fact-checkers, can control and stop whichever news they prefer or not. Already happened with Hunter Biden, and that was officially done. There are many unofficial ways like shadowban etc. This manipulation has great consequences for Indian elections with ever increasing online users.

 

From Indian context, both are Rahul Gandhis, as both have little track-record, and can do fear mongering. Yet, the Rep side is not aligned with nutjobs and thus, it suits India better.

 

 

He got impeached for abuse of power. He repeatedly tried the same during this campaign. What is fear mongering about it. Nobody has to tell you he is doing that. You should know yourself. There are two parties. Only one party doctor image, video, audeio to make the other look bad. None other than president himself retweets that. So We know which party is.  His pathetic discounting of scientists and doctors is okay with you? You are not scared that your national leader is openly encouraging unsafe procedures during pandemic? Compare that to Modi? Is he doing that?

 

Social media is not controlling narrative. You have not one, two there are so many sources you can verify. But blaming every single source (including pulitzer prize winning sources) as biased is a result of too much kool aid drinking from the republcian far right new sources.  There are a far left news. You think anyone quotes them. But when it comes to right they always use the source from far right. 

 

No They are not Rahul Gandhis. What are you talking about man. Biden has been around for 47 years, was a vice president for 8 years. you are comparing him with Rahul gandhi? That explains the depth of the knowledge among Trump supporting Indians. Trump is a thin skinned, vindictive, narcissistic village idiot.  Rahul Gandhi may be dumb. But he is not going to be dangerous like Trump. Trump is worse than him.

 

Trump's party has taken over GOP. This is a regressive cult promoting conspiracy theories even while handling pandemic.  This is dangerous. 

 

It is almost like you guys live in an alternate world where Democrats are demons , Republicans are avengers team.  If you are going to listen to Trump who would call anything and everything that doesn't suck up to him "fake", then problem is with you. Who would trust anything this guy says?

[vvvslaxman]

6 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Hillary with comments like 'Basket of Deplorables' alienated an entire half of America. Now the Dems campaign of Anti_trump calling Trump supporters stupid, lowIQ and only Dem voters are smart, they are doing the same mistake. There should be a positive message , they are offering no alternatives except for fate left policies. 

All the guys who use QANON theories to spread fake videos, fake memes (like they did with Hillary extensively. One of the worst character assassination in the history of american politics) should be called basket of deplorables.  Trump himself promoted these conspiracy theories extensively. If you are going to worship a deplorable guy like Trump odds you are deplorable too.

[vvvslaxman]

Republicans sold stock after a classified briefing. I know many in republican party doesn't like Trump. They just use him to enrich themselves.  Morally bankrupt party.

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/488593-four-senators-sold-stocks-before-coronavirus-threat-crashed-market

[someone]

11 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

 

He got impeached for abuse of power. He repeatedly tried the same during this campaign. What is fear mongering about it. Nobody has to tell you he is doing that. You should know yourself. There are two parties. Only one party doctor image, video, audeio to make the other look bad. None other than president himself retweets that. So We know which party is.  His pathetic discounting of scientists and doctors is okay with you? You are not scared that your national leader is openly encouraging unsafe procedures during pandemic? Compare that to Modi? Is he doing that?

 

Social media is not controlling narrative. You have not one, two there are so many sources you can verify. But blaming every single source (including pulitzer prize winning sources) as biased is a result of too much kool aid drinking from the republcian far right new sources.  There are a far left news. You think anyone quotes them. But when it comes to right they always use the source from far right. 

 

No They are not Rahul Gandhis. What are you talking about man. Biden has been around for 47 years, was a vice president for 8 years. you are comparing him with Rahul gandhi? That explains the depth of the knowledge among Trump supporting Indians. Trump is a thin skinned, vindictive, narcissistic village idiot.  Rahul Gandhi may be dumb. But he is not going to be dangerous like Trump. Trump is worse than him.

 

Trump's party has taken over GOP. This is a regressive cult promoting conspiracy theories even while handling pandemic.  This is dangerous. 

 

It is almost like you guys live in an alternate world where Democrats are demons , Republicans are avengers team.  If you are going to listen to Trump who would call anything and everything that doesn't suck up to him "fake", then problem is with you. Who would trust anything this guy says?

That's a lot of rants. Just reverse Dems and Repubicians and it would be true. Both aren't noble, but you just choose the less dangerous. Biden is a Manmohan Singh, and the remote control is in hands of nutjobs. That's a fact which cannot be disputed.

[Real McCoy]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

This election is very serious for all Americans. Infact it was all serious last time as well. Because we all expected this scenario at the hands of thin skinned toddler we have. Anger is not towards you or anyone.  It is towards Trump administration. That is why many republicans have jumped ship. It is beyond left/right  democrats/republicans  liberals/conservatives whatever you want to call.  This is abnormal. First priority is to restore to normalcy then we can talk about improving. Democrats can still lose. But we do not want to regret later "We could have done a little more". People are trying everything they can do to increase the turn out. 

dude i said stop quoting me here. what part of that do you not understand. every post you talk about different tangents without going into depth other than saying trump is a nutcase. i dont care about your elections or trump

[vvvslaxman]

30 minutes ago, someone said:

That's a lot of rants. Just reverse Dems and Repubicians and it would be true. Both aren't noble, but you just choose the less dangerous. Biden is a Manmohan Singh, and the remote control is in hands of nutjobs. That's a fact which cannot be disputed.

Okay.  Biden is a remot control?  You just confirmed my belief. Stick to cricket man lol 

Edited November 2, 2020 by vvvslaxman

[coffee_rules]

40 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

All the guys who use QANON theories to spread fake videos, fake memes (like they did with Hillary extensively. One of the worst character assassination in the history of american politics) should be called basket of deplorables.  Trump himself promoted these conspiracy theories extensively. If you are going to worship a deplorable guy like Trump odds you are deplorable too.

I don’t even know who or what Qanon is. Name-calling won’t help Dems. I don’t want to vote for Dems mainly because they are married to Islamists targeting one and all with Islamophobia, there is no such thing as Islamophobia

Edited November 2, 2020 by coffee_rules

[vvvslaxman]

25 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

I don’t even know who or what Qanon is. Name-calling won’t help Dems. I don’t want to vote for Dems mainly because they are married to Islamists targeting one and all with Islamophobia, there is no such thing as Islamophobia

Once again Propaganda. USA's policy towards terrorists will remain the same. All the government organizations work tirelessly towards stamping out any terror act.   Several terror acts were thwarted under Obama.  They are the one responsible for controlling the terrorists. They will continue to do regardless of who is in power. Unless you have proof they are embracing terrorists don't make up stories to support your narrative. They are not going to hate every muslim out there if you that is what you want. That is patently unamerican.  1/5th of american muslims are black.  Many indonesian muslims are also here. They are not going to hate different race that embrace the same religion. USA has elaborate terror watch system in place. They track activities online, bank account, suspicious phone calls. I myself have reported several jihadist twitter accounts and they promptly removed it. You should be smart enough to identify, isolate these elements unlike Trump who banned 7 muslim countries that had nothing to do with any attack in USA but cozied up to Saudi which sent 13 guys to launch 9/11 attack.  He backed out from Iran deal just because it was ratified by Obama. Now Iran is building nuclear capabilities. 

 

India houses over 180 millions of muslims. So should USA start clubbing them with other muslim countries? For argument sake you can say anything.  

 

Edited November 2, 2020 by vvvslaxman

[Cricketics]

15 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Watch the  TOTALLY UNDER CONTROLL on HULU. It explains how outrageously Trump administration bungled it.  Protest were peaceful protest.  Few far right group posing as setting fire precinct won't make them bad. FBI has arrested a guy who bragged on FB about vandalizing police station posing as BLM.  What would a responsible president do?  He would try to bring everyone on the same, calm them down and bring their attention back to COVID. He just used it to attack people, demonize them, pitted all cops against blacks. This is not leadership. This is criminal. He should be impeached for his violent rhetorics. i am pretty sure Biden or Obama would not have egged on protesters.  

 

About COVID Trump is directly responsible for 40% of the conspiracy theories about COVID. Not a soul from the republican party had the balls to criticize. They wasted no time confirming SCOTUS. But they never had any plan to contain the virus, impose mask mandate. ENtire GOP became covid infected. Couldn't even control the cOVID inside the WH. IT has turned into an anti-science cult.  This village idiot has absolutely butchered the responsibility of the presidency. Republicans had no balls to question him. Endless corruptions. Endless power abuse. Again nobody stopped him.   He has given voice to racist,s white supremacists. Against GOP went silent about this. They all talked when they ran in the primary. They completely stopped talking about it.   This selfish corrupt party must be defeated really badly.

 

I have lived both under Bush and OBama. I know which government i would love to relive again. Definitely not another republican. 

 

Indians by nature are more inclusive, they don't identify themselves with crazy ideologies like  anti abortion, anti science, anti gay,  pro gun.  And they are pure evil. Look at the length and breadth they go to indulge in voter suppression.  Democrats are not for "freebies". It is just a rhetoric used by GOP to portray them as  far left. Hillary if anything was closer to center> Biden is also closer to center. Far left policies will not get stamp of approval from everyone. But Far right atrocities are already in place.  If you are giving me to choose between Far right vs Far left i would choose Far left  as it atleast doesn't kill you. Far right is full of racist ideologies. El paso shooting is based on great replacement theory. 23 people died. IT is a far right conspiracy theory. This will take US some 100 years back. They have come a long way since civil rights. Under Trump we are going back.  Without CIVIL rights we could not have come here. Check the experience of Indians who came here before civil rights movement and just after it. They would tell you how racist this country used to be.  Just listen to JF Kennedy speech or Reagan speech against racism. Thsi guy was in his 40s when he addressed. Loook at the 77 year old gas bag we have. Also watch moon speech of J F kennedy.  Can this moron embrace it no? With Obama they had science fair at the white house. IT is all gone now. HE removed pandemic task force.  

 

Problem  with us we look at only in terms of "Tax" . We forget the human empathy, compassion. Not everyone in a country can have the same privilege.  We attack the decent people embrace the dictator like Trump because of his selfish tax plan that personally benefits him. It also inadvertently helped you earn a few bucks. Wages stagnated, bonus gone down overall. Minimum wage is lower than in 1978 after adjusted inflation.  Much like Indians most of these Trump supporting republicans (even though they don't like him) talk in terms of left / right. There is no concept of what is good.  They vote for Trump against their own interests just because they like the idea it pisses off left. That is absolutely dumb.  Family first..   USA never did suffer under dems. When Bill Clinton left there 127 million dollar deficit. When Obama took over he inherited auto industry collapse, housing market collapse, multiple wars, osama on the loose, no healthcare plan,  very high unemployment rate, Very low international reputation. Young Obama took up the challenge and acted with dignity right through the 8 years and left with growing economy. This guy took over and took false credit and now tanked it absolutely.   GOP is now a morally bankrupt, unethical, corrupt and selfish party. They must be punished so badly that they should not come to power for next 3 terms.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jfk-decided-embrace-civil-rights-moral-issue-1963/story?id=71172778

 

 

 

 

 

Look i agree with your sentiments, and we kind of agree on lot of stuff, I just find Kamala Harris a liar and untrustworthy and you and me know how she switches between playing race card. Yes, agree indians are more inclusive, but that doesn't make us democrats. I am not a big fan of gun laws which Republicans go far, however, I am not a fan of leagalizing Marijuana too which Dems want. Your kids or grandkis at the age of 10 will be doing something called "recreational marijuana" in the future. There is lot of easy access which dems want, and that remains my concern. This is why i always want the house and senate to be split so that we always have a debate on every freaking bill. No bias needs to be there for a bill which happens a lot if either of the party has full control. 

 

I hope you understand the sentiments and realize these issues.