coffee_rules Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: Punjab farm subsidy higher than annual income for farmers in rest of country! https://www.financialexpress.com/opinion/punjab-farm-subsidy-higher-than-annual-income-for-farmers-in-rest-of-country/2141854/ Is it the case that new laws will hurt Punjab farmers and benefit farmers from other states, that's why Punjab farmers are protesting? They are not happy with scenario where rich farmers of Punjab take a cut, but poor farmers of other states benefit? That is the crux of the argument in the last 100 pages to be called BJP bhakt
Trichromatic Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 Just now, coffee_rules said: That is the crux of the argument in the last 100 pages to be called BJP bhakt I haven't followed entire discussion and I admit I don't have enough knowledge on the topic either. What's @Khota's argument here? 1. All farmers (poor and rich) will be in loss because of these laws and corporates will benefit? 2. Rich farmers of Punjab will be in loss and poor farmers will benefit. Fair enough if Punjab farmers don't want to lose their money. It's not that they have taken responsibilities of other states. Their protest is justified. Which of the scenario is likely to happen with these laws as per people who are opposing it.
coffee_rules Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: I haven't followed entire discussion and I admit I don't have enough knowledge on the topic either. What's @Khota's argument here? 1. All farmers (poor and rich) will be in loss because of these laws and corporates will benefit? 2. Rich farmers of Punjab will be in loss and poor farmers will benefit. Fair enough if Punjab farmers don't want to lose their money. It's not that they have taken responsibilities of other states. Their protest is justified. Which of the scenario is likely to happen with these laws as per people who are opposing it. 1. is their argument. They claim there is widespread unrest in the country whereas it is only in Punjab, Haryana and Caste triggered influence in western UP. Evil Corporations is just a bogeyman, anti-government anarchy is the key agenda behind 2. We say it is unfair that only 10% of rich farmers and scores of middlemen men benefit from existing laws, while they are being continued, there is no reason to protest. Plus 10% of rich farmers get the max share of public funded MSP, why should rest of the country fund a handful few on one state.
Clarke Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: I haven't followed entire discussion and I admit I don't have enough knowledge on the topic either. What's @Khota's argument here? That after the 175k per yr avg annual subsidy for electricity and fertilizer and then MSP benefit and no income tax the monthly income is 6k. The rest of the money evaporates due to 60 hrs work, but the Fortuner/Endeavor SUV and John Deere tractor appears all of a sudden one morning due to blessings from Vaheguruji. Moreover, agri is well regulated everywhere including west (they have MSP for all crops as per the onion news) but corporates have reduced farming to 1% population. Same thing with China, but we have to grow like China but we'll do that by giving more money for growing wheat and rice and other things. Get it ? So what if u fabricate chips based on nanotech, we will pay more for potato chips and beat the crap outta ya! Jai Kisan Screw Kissan* *Evil corporate like Ambani! That fecker messed up Indian telecom sector, how dare he bring data rates from 1 GB to 28 GB for 200! His network deserved the destruction by patriotic law abiding Indians in Punjab! Edited February 7, 2021 by Clarke dial_100, coffee_rules, urbestfriend and 3 others 2 4
kepler37b Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 3 hours ago, Khota said: Every government has done nothing for the rural people except exploiting them. And people on this forum think farmers are making too much. This is not factually correct. Rural Employment Guarantee, Farm loan waiver, Irrigation Infrastructure etc and etc.,. There are army of social schemes aimed at rural areas. Of course NREGS has hit the farmer badly.
kepler37b Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 4 hours ago, Khota said: That to me sounds like a polite reminder not to hurt farmers. Do not arrest journalists and etc. But still they are not endorsing the protestors POV. There is a difference.
kepler37b Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Trichromatic said: I haven't followed entire discussion and I admit I don't have enough knowledge on the topic either. What's @Khota's argument here? 1. All farmers (poor and rich) will be in loss because of these laws and corporates will benefit? 2. Rich farmers of Punjab will be in loss and poor farmers will benefit. Fair enough if Punjab farmers don't want to lose their money. It's not that they have taken responsibilities of other states. Their protest is justified. Which of the scenario is likely to happen with these laws as per people who are opposing it. The irony is that the same farmers would be proud of their Sons working in these "evil corporations".
Khota Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 4 hours ago, Trichromatic said: Punjab farm subsidy higher than annual income for farmers in rest of country! https://www.financialexpress.com/opinion/punjab-farm-subsidy-higher-than-annual-income-for-farmers-in-rest-of-country/2141854/ Is it the case that new laws will hurt Punjab farmers and benefit farmers from other states, that's why Punjab farmers are protesting? They are not happy with scenario where rich farmers of Punjab take a cut, but poor farmers of other states benefit? Reality is that Punjab farmer is in debt. So are other farmers and that needs to be addressed.
dial_100 Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 Some sequence of events definitely sound shady. I dont endorse, support these YTers. But time to time, I listen to Sham Sharma, or Rathi, Shekhar Gupta etc to get the gist of the matter. I aint expert but can people involved in telecom sector see any merit in this video?
Khota Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 4 hours ago, coffee_rules said: A few thousand reach Simbu border, there are 80 lakh farmers in Kar, and people all are excited. Here’s a picture of chakka jam in Chikkamagalur So you are winning. Good. Under_Score 1
Khota Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 4 hours ago, Trichromatic said: I haven't followed entire discussion and I admit I don't have enough knowledge on the topic either. What's @Khota's argument here? 1. All farmers (poor and rich) will be in loss because of these laws and corporates will benefit? 2. Rich farmers of Punjab will be in loss and poor farmers will benefit. Fair enough if Punjab farmers don't want to lose their money. It's not that they have taken responsibilities of other states. Their protest is justified. Which of the scenario is likely to happen with these laws as per people who are opposing it. To summarize big farmers will thrive and small farmer will disaapear. They will have no skills except sell their lamnd, move to city and work construction. Happened in Karnatka too which is a highly industrialized state.
Khota Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 1 hour ago, kepler37b said: The irony is that the same farmers would be proud of their Sons working in these "evil corporations". And why should not they be?
Khota Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 2 hours ago, kepler37b said: But still they are not endorsing the protestors POV. There is a difference. You are correct, they are not. They want these reform because Modi has overspent and to borrow he needs their blessings. These guys are not half as good as Rao/Singh. Under_Score 1
Khota Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 16 minutes ago, Under_Score said: Check what Shekar Gupta is saying now He is only right whe he agrees with government looters and PSU employees. Under_Score 1
Khota Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 11 minutes ago, dial_100 said: Some sequence of events definitely sound shady. I dont endorse, support these YTers. But time to time, I listen to Sham Sharma, or Rathi, Shekhar Gupta etc to get the gist of the matter. I aint expert but can people involved in telecom sector see any merit in this video? Crony capitalist.
Khota Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 24 minutes ago, Under_Score said: LOL...I have read the farm laws & so have majority of Punjab farmers which includes the ones who cannot read English, they were provided with a Punjabi version. Punjab farmers have woken up other farmers of India with their protest.. Here is the summary.....First part of the farm laws is okay where it gives freedom to the farmers to sell their crops wherever or whomever they wish to......second part is where the gol maal starts ....No minimum price assured to farmers, corporate companies can possibly make unsuspecting farmers enter a certain price contract which may be lower than the costs incurred by the farmer....means...sell at loss. No proper regulation of companies, if a company tries to rip off the farmer...Judicial system cannot be involved ...can it get any more sinister than this? And the worst part of these black laws is that it legalizes hoarding ( which the greedy duo have already started building storage facilities...Shame!! ) This will result in black marketing & will also affect the end consumers with large price increases ( that includes all the bjp voters in India as well ) With the intent of these laws being so pro-corporate....Farmers have lost trust in this shady govt.....and the rest is History ( in the making ). As the time is passing & the ruling party is making so many wrong moves to stop this protest, more people are joining in & supporting farmers....now it has become a 'Jann Andolan'. It always was a jan andolan. Farmers are pointing to disparity in wealth distribution in India. Under_Score 1
Khota Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 2 hours ago, kepler37b said: This is not factually correct. Rural Employment Guarantee, Farm loan waiver, Irrigation Infrastructure etc and etc.,. There are army of social schemes aimed at rural areas. Of course NREGS has hit the farmer badly. They are hurting and they need jobs. Farmers are true Indians. They work so hard and get nothing in return and people here claim not enough are comitting suicide.
coffee_rules Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, dial_100 said: Some sequence of events definitely sound shady. I dont endorse, support these YTers. But time to time, I listen to Sham Sharma, or Rathi, Shekhar Gupta etc to get the gist of the matter. I aint expert but can people involved in telecom sector see any merit in this video? Bakwaas conspiracy. Jio is a service provider, not an equipment maker. Jio is clean declared by Pompei as a service provider so global companies can provide equip to Jio and jio can ban Huawei. There is no competition between Jio and Huawei. A better explanation is that middlemen and rich farmers losing MSP money and state exchequer losing on 6% tax is mobilizing crowds. Once BJP relented to talks, they tasted blood and are going for the kill. All for an opposition win over BJP. Baaki country ke farmers bhaad mein jaaye Edited February 7, 2021 by coffee_rules dial_100 1
Khota Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 13 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Bakwaas conspiracy. Jio is a service provider, not an equipment maker. Jio is clean declared by Pompei as a service provider so global companies can provide equip to Jio and jio can ban Huawei. There is no competition between Jio and Huawei. A better explanation is that middlemen and rich farmers losing MSP money and state exchequer losing on 6% tax is mobilizing crowds. Once BJP relented to talks, they tasted blood and are going for the kill. All for an opposition win over BJP. Baaki country ke farmers bhaad mein jaaye If Jio is a service provider why do they keep on saying tha they have their own 5G. They are not in the same league as any major 5G manufacturer. Ambanis are money minded people. They will spend more on their kids wedding than R&D to develope 5G. If they are all out service only then govt should have a dozen companies compete. Under_Score 1
coffee_rules Posted February 7, 2021 Posted February 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Khota said: If Jio is a service provider why do they keep on saying tha they have their own 5G. They are not in the same league as any major 5G manufacturer. Ambanis are money minded people. They will spend more on their kids wedding than R&D to develope 5G. If they are all out service only then govt should have a dozen companies compete. They are employing an Indian indigenously built telecom equipment, it means they will use Made in India equipment. Take your head out of your ass and learn about who is a service provider and an equipment maker. Jio uses Cisco routers, doesn’t mean Jio is making routers. Jio is not a equipment maker to provide to global markets like ericcson, Samsung, trust me telecom has been my bread and butter, my annadata
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