Real McCoy Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 55 minutes ago, Khota said: Laugh it off whereas farmers are looking at losing their land and facing starvation. You find it funny whereas these people have no safety net. This guy lives in the west. Can't blame him. Even the cityfolk in India don't know what happens in villages. They will only start worrying when it comes to their table on not comes to the table I mean food that is. Khota 1
coffee_rules Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Khota said: Laugh it off whereas farmers are looking at losing their land and facing starvation. You find it funny whereas these people have no safety net. Poor deflection. Laughing at you , silly. How was there safety net earlier? Do you think there is no contract farming now even before the bills were passed? Edited December 30, 2020 by coffee_rules
coffee_rules Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: This guy lives in the west. Can't blame him. Even the cityfolk in India don't know what happens in villages. They will only start worrying when it comes to their table on not comes to the table I mean food that is. WTF! Don’t debate on person. I have read the bills and history behind the reform bills. Now tell me why are they blocking roads? What are their demands? Edited December 30, 2020 by coffee_rules
LordPrabhzy Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 15 minutes ago, Khota said: Not saying thatthere are opportunist people using this to further their agenda. I am sure there are Khalistani elements who are saying that BJP is targetting sikhs and BJP elements saying that these are Khalistanis who are protesting. All I know is that this is an economic issue and nothing else. This is about equitable distribution of resources/wealth. can you give me an example of any member of BJP publicly saying that each and every person right now on the Delhi border is a terrorist. I may support BJP more than congress or AAP more but I have never said ALL people there are terrorists. Infact there has been more outrage on the Khalistani remark by nobodies than the disgusting remarks made by Yograj against Hindu women and gujjis in the same rally. When I highlighted his actions on social media I was told by Sikhs that i shouldn’t be posting that or ‘making a scene’ or ‘be petty ‘ and not once condemned Yograj for his remarks in the conversation and rather ‘ why have you not posted anything about the farmers’ its become a bloody popularity contest about who beats their chest more on social media about things they have no clue about. People never want to read legal bills and scrutinise them with a logical head, chale hain BC har time protest karne because oh we have a fascist government so whatever bill they pass needs a protest for it. coffee_rules 1
coffee_rules Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 58 minutes ago, Khota said: Mandis will disappear. There is a law for APMCs that has not been amended. This is misinformation and fearmongering
coffee_rules Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 34 minutes ago, Khota said: Not saying thatthere are opportunist people using this to further their agenda. I am sure there are Khalistani elements who are saying that BJP is targetting sikhs and BJP elements saying that these are Khalistanis who are protesting. All I know is that this is an economic issue and nothing else. This is about equitable distribution of resources/wealth. Yes, there is unequal distribution of wealth among farmers and we need to fix it. https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/farmer-earnings-skewed-across-states/article28317911.ece Income inequality The map depicts the average monthly income of agricultural households in 2017. Households in Punjab earned more than Rs. 16,000, the highest among States. Those in Andhra Pradesh earned the least -- Rs. 5,842 on average.
Real McCoy Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: WTF! Don’t debate on person. I have read the bills and history behind the reform bills. Now tell me why are the blocking roads? Look neither of us are there in person. Reading bills and history doesnt mean sh1te. I'll give you an example of an immoral bill. Just being legal doesnt mean its ethical and moral. Do you know about the FRDI bill. Source: https://blog.bankbazaar.com/frdi-bill-mean/ Quote The controversial provision in the FRDI Bill: The FRDI bill also empowers the Corporation to bail-in a financial entity at the time of bankruptcy or insolvency. A bail-in is different from a bail-out. While a bail-out is the use of public funds to inject capital into an ailing company, a bail-in is the use of depositors’ funds to achieve these ends. They had the bail in concept in the bill where they can take money out of your bank account to pay for the defaults and scams by Mallya and Nirav Modi who are living in the west peacefully. Did you know this was in 2017 and didnt get passed due to objections and the financial minister is about to reframe the bill in such a way that the "bail in" word isnt there but essentially its there by other technical loopholes. This bill was introduced by Arun jaitley (cases of corruption are being laid on him). Bishen Singh Bedi has said this recently about him. but now being followed by the current FM Nirmala Sitaraman. Source: https://www.financialexpress.com/economy/finance-ministry-working-on-frdi-bill-says-fm-nirmala-sitharaman/1860082/ Quote Within days of hiking the deposit insurance five-folds to Rs 5 lakh per account, Finance Minister Nirmala Sitharaman on Friday said her ministry is working on the controversial Financial Resolution & Deposit Insurance (FRDI) Bill, but added she is not sure when it will be tabled in the House. If you are naive to say that the word was there in the bill by mistake in the first place, then I have a real estate in moon that I want to sell you. Pssst....ties up nicely with the moon landing hoax doesnt it That word was there because it was put there by purpose and its highly immoral to loot money from the ordinary people who believe in the banks only to provide the rich scammers and other politicians to line up their pockets. this makes the current govt guilty in my opinion and no different from goondaraj that was congress. Congress did it on the downlow but this govt is doing it legally. So legal means moral right
Real McCoy Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Real McCoy said: @Under_Score@Khota@Singh bling I came to know from a close friend that his friend in college who was a top scorer in engineering who left all the high paying jobs to farm in the land he purchased was found dead in a railway track. He worked in Bangalore and his farm was not far from there. This happened a couple of years ago. I'm not even going into the politics here but this is how things are now these days no matter which party is at top. This large scale factory farming is bad for us in the long run. Yes zamindars are bad but what's happening here is small fish being swallowed by the big fish. I would rather have these corrupt zamindaars and some individual farmers who are more in number than big corporations that have political connections who can create an oligarchy like the US and other western nations. I have also heard from an older guy that you cannot buy any land in western TN without the "blessings" of a certain Kannadiga ex-businessman turned spiritual guru who runs an ashram there. @Jimmy Cliff , please share any information if you have on this @coffee_rules What part of this do you disagree with. remove the troll vote or face consequences speedheat and Under_Score 2
Khota Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 44 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Poor deflection. Laughing at you , silly. How was there safety net earlier? Do you think there is no contract farming now even before the bills were passed? MSP is a safety net. Under_Score 1
ravishingravi Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Khota said: Mandis will disappear. Nope they won’t. They will lose their exclusivity. Their monopoly.
coffee_rules Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, Khota said: MSP is a safety net. MSP is not going away
ravishingravi Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, Khota said: MSP is a safety net. Correct word you used. It’s safety net. Not a right. And it will remain as before. coffee_rules 1
Khota Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 22 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Yes, there is unequal distribution of wealth among farmers and we need to fix it. https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/farmer-earnings-skewed-across-states/article28317911.ece Income inequality The map depicts the average monthly income of agricultural households in 2017. Households in Punjab earned more than Rs. 16,000, the highest among States. Those in Andhra Pradesh earned the least -- Rs. 5,842 on average. Do you think Rs 16,000 a month is a living wage with an average family of four??? Andhra/Karnatka etc got all the industry with the excuse that Punjab cannot have industry as it is close to border. Why bring this disparity and ignore other. The protest is not about their excessive Rs 16,000 but to improve the lot of Andhra farmers so that they can come to 16,000 also. I know what you are doing here. First you make it about religion. Now you are making it about state vs state. Divide and conquer. Learned well from your British masters.
Khota Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: MSP is not going away Put it in writing. Under_Score 1
coffee_rules Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 13 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: @coffee_rules What part of this do you disagree with. remove the troll vote or face consequences Just one incident doesn't prove the legitimacy of the protests. These are reforms that are recommended by 100s of state commissions to improve farm income for all and not a handy few. Also, some random conspiracy theory. Real McCoy 1
Khota Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, ravishingravi said: Correct word you used. It’s safety net. Not a right. And it will remain as before. No it is not a right but governments regulate farming so they need to gaurantee something. If government does not regulate farming you will have all onions and no potatoes etc. farming is not free market.
Khota Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, ravishingravi said: Nope they won’t. They will lose their exclusivity. Their monopoly. Replaced by another monoply of few. Oligarchy is where India is headed.
LordPrabhzy Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, Khota said: Put it in writing. You know they were going to? and then the demands changed yet again to release sharjeel imam and no to 5g towers. This is why no one takes the farmer unions seriously now. They can bark all they want. coffee_rules 1
Khota Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, LordPrabhzy said: You know they were going to? and then the demands changed yet again to release sharjeel imam and no to 5g towers. This is why no one takes the farmer unions seriously now. They can bark all they want. I dont know about the Sharjeel Imam thing. They can always say we will put it in writing but judicial system will take its course. Not very difficult.
LordPrabhzy Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, Khota said: I dont know about the Sharjeel Imam thing. They can always say we will put it in writing but judicial system will take its course. Not very difficult. Exactly so maybe you should read up a bit more on the side you’re batting for and see how goalposts have been changed why these union leaders and they bringing in their politics. okay so you’re not also not satisfied with a guarantee that it will be in writing.. what do you actually want? PS coffee_rules 1
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