maniac Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) Criteria: players who have represented India in one format or the other. I have put Bhuvi and D.Chahar (considered a bowling allrounder) in the allrounder squad because they can strengthen the allrounder teams’ bowling and also especially Bhuvi can be considered a bowling allrounder based on some of his performances. Chahar is just making up the numbers Anyways. I have added keepers like Samson and Pant as allrounders as they are known for their batting more than their keeping. Rahul makes it as a specialist as he is only a make shift keeper and Saha is available in my specialist squad. Please add if I am missing someone. Who will win a match between the 2 teams in odi,tests and t20 ? Allrounders Hardik Krunal Shardul Sundar Ashwin Jadeja Axar Dube Vihari Pant Bhuvi Additional option: Deepak Chahar, Samson,Shankar Specialists Rohit Dhawan Kohli Rahul Iyer Saha Shami Bumrah Umesh Kuldeep Chahal Additional options: Aggarwal, Siraj,Natarajan,Rahane,Pujara,Saini,Pandey,Shaw,Gill Edited January 18, 2021 by maniac Link to comment
R!TTER Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Who do you suppose the A/R side can field in the top batting position for tests? Therein lies your answer to the test match theory, ODI - I'd still back the specialists with a slight edge to the A/R side in T20. Link to comment
maniac Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, R!TTER said: Who do you suppose the A/R side can field in the top batting position for tests? Therein lies your answer to the test match theory, ODI - I'd still back the specialists with a slight edge to the A/R side in T20. fair assessment Link to comment
bowl_out Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 No 3D in the all rounders side? Link to comment
maniac Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 49 minutes ago, bowl_out said: No 3D in the all rounders side? yeah forgot Shankar. Added Link to comment
Norman Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Did [mention=11313]Harsh[/mention] Thakor bite you? Link to comment
zen Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) ARs esp. the good ones are a rare commodity in Ind cricket. Many are slotted to bat in the lower middle order ... While specialists are plenty Given the challenges of a limited pool of quality ARs, below is a good ARs 11 Samson Kishan Shankar Vihari Pant Hardik (SDP) Sundar Jadeja Ashwin Bhuvi D Chahar / Thakur For LOIs, you can bring in Tewatia, Rana, Krunal, etc as well Edited January 18, 2021 by zen Link to comment
RajBan Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Unless it's a 1 off match, Allrounders can never win against specialists as they simply won't be able to pull enough weight collectively when compared to specialists. A good example is New Zealand team of late 90s to 2000s . They used to have tons of all rounders but other than Cairns, none of them were world beaters. Hence they were the whipping boys most of the times inspite of playing some memorable colourful cricket. Ofcourse if you are world class allrounder where you are extremely good in one discipline and decent to pretty good in the other, then nothing like it. Those guys can actually qualify for a team based on either batting or bowling - think about Kapil, Imran, Kallis, Botham, . But numbers of such supreme players are usually very less and comes once in a while. The next level like Klusener, Razzaq, Mahmood, Cairns, Stokes is also good but even then you probably won't win too many matches with a 11 like that except days when one of them single handedly plays a blinder. maniac 1 Link to comment
zen Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 1 hour ago, RajBan said: Allrounders can never win against specialists as they simply won't be able to pull enough weight collectively when compared to specialists. We do not have a bigger pool of quality ARs to chose from ... which is why quality ARs are a prized commodity ... if we pick a team from a relatively larger global pool V Richards Sangakkara Kallis Sobers S Waugh Stokes Gilchrist Imran Hadlee Marshall Warne Other options: Botham, Pollock, Procter, Border, Sakib, Miller, Mankad, Kapil, Akram, Flintoff, Jayasuriya, ABDV, Flower, ... ^ the above is as good as any AT11 Link to comment
IndianLegend Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Fake thread: All rounder do not exist @Khotabhai Ankit_sharma03 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 7 hours ago, maniac said: Specialists Rohit Dhawan Kohli Rahul Iyer Saha Shami Bumrah Umesh Kuldeep Chahal qaide se KL rahul bhi all rounder hai Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Just ODI and t20 Specialist XI Dhawan Rohit Kohli Gill Iyer Manish Kuldeep Chahal Shami Saini/ Nattu Bumrah All rounder XI Pant Samson Kishen/ Shankar Jadeja KL Rahul Hardik Samad / Sundar/ Tewatia Ravi Ashwin Bhuvi Chahar Thakur In t20s- KL will open In terms of Fielding All rounder score- Hardik, jaddu, samson, Shankar, Kishen In terms of Lower order fire power- All rounder score In terms extra bowling option - all rounder team Variety- all rounder team T20 opening batsman and Fire power- all rounder Basically Specialist teams biggest strength is Rohit, kohli, Bumrah which is what other side doesnt have but if those guys have an off day well well Link to comment
Khota Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 2 hours ago, IndianLegend said: Fake thread: All rounder do not exist @Khotabhai These so called all rounder will lose. And lose bad. They are not going to get the 5fers or score a century. That will be left to specialist. It may take years for people to realize at professional level of sports All Rounder Do Not Exist. Link to comment
Serpico Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 6 hours ago, zen said: V Richards Sangakkara Kallis Sobers S Waugh Stokes Gilchrist Imran Hadlee Marshall Warne You're really stretching the definition of all-rounder here Link to comment
Serpico Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Khota said: These so called all rounder will lose. And lose bad. They are not going to get the 5fers or score a century. That will be left to specialist. It may take years for people to realize at professional level of sports All Rounder Do Not Exist. Ian Botham once took two 5fers and made a century in the same match against India Link to comment
Khota Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 11 minutes ago, Serpico said: Ian Botham once took two 5fers and made a century in the same match against India Thanks. One man, one freaking person. That is all I am trying to say. I am talking norm and you are talking outliers. Watch some sports besides cricket and then you will understand. Link to comment
Serpico Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Khota said: Thanks. One man, one freaking person. That is all I am trying to say. I am talking norm and you are talking outliers. Watch some sports besides cricket and then you will understand. Imran Khan also did it against India Edited January 19, 2021 by Serpico Link to comment
zen Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, Serpico said: You're really stretching the definition of all-rounder here Marshall is a mini AR ... while Viv, a batsman who bowled too, while Warne, a bowler who could bat too. More such players include Wally Hammond Link to comment
Serpico Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, zen said: Marshall is a mini AR ... while Viv, a batsman who bowled too, while Warne, a bowler who could bat too. More such players include Wally Hammond Viv took 31 wickets at 161 SR. It's like calling sachin/root all-rounders Link to comment
Khota Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 14 minutes ago, Serpico said: Imran Khan also did it against India It always comes down to few names. Bowling is a full time job, so is batting. You cannot do both. Link to comment
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