Khota Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 5 hours ago, bharathh said: Not feasible. Although MSP is guaranteed apparently for 22 crops - and that ain't changing. So what's the fuss about? Fuss is that they need to pass a law saying what he said. Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: They could cooperatively hire distributors/transporters. who can transport the produce to faraway mandis. Negotiations can be electronic. That adds to the cost which farmers cannot bare. They have thought thru all this and the farmers do not see any improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharathh Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 46 minutes ago, Khota said: Fuss is that they need to pass a law saying what he said. Why? MSP has never been a law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 5 hours ago, bharathh said: Why? MSP has never been a law If the PM says it will stay and there is aprehension out there, then why not make it a law and stop all this agitation. As they say put your money where your mouth is. Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharathh Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Khota said: If the PM says it will stay and there is aprehension out there, then why not make it a law and stop all this agitation. As they say put your money where your mouth is. https://thedailyguardian.com/why-making-msp-a-legal-right-is-a-bad-idea/ I know you will still continue to keep shifting goalposts.. but pls do read :) Edited February 12, 2021 by bharathh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbestfriend Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 3 hours ago, bharathh said: https://thedailyguardian.com/why-making-msp-a-legal-right-is-a-bad-idea/ I know you will still continue to keep shifting goalposts.. but pls do read :) Or He'll go after the messenger completely ignoring the message. This article discusses one aspects of legalizing MSP. But there is more to it why legalization of MSP may lead to other issues . 1. Currently FCI does open ended procurement only in few states, and for other states, it is the states who does the procurement. FCI sets the limit of how much they procure thus the remaining crops are sold in open market. Now according to one estimate, if FCI were to procure all the 21 crops completely, it takes around 50% of the annual budget which is not feasible. 2. These folks claim, govt need not procure but fix the MSP so that private players are forced to procure not less than MSP, punish them if procured less than MSP. This sounds good. But here are the problems. a. You cant have such laws only for few crops because it is discrimination. One cant say to bring a law which says MSP is legal for Wheat but not so for onion. This means Govt have to fix MSP for all agricultural crops. Now whether govt has the capability to do this for all the crops across India? Input cost is different from one place to other place, hence is it possible to have one MSP country wide for one crop? Do they take quality into consideration or not? b. In case of bumper crop, enforcing of MSP by private player means the cost of the crop wont come down to the consumer. This means there wont be increase in consumption. So some farmers who sold earlier or some big farmers might benefit at MSP while there wont be buyers for other farmers due to oversupply. Now who will buy these crops? c. Other problem is MSP politicization. Each party may claim to increase the MSP to win election as farmers are considerable vote bank thus hurting the consumer who may also be poor which leads to increase in inflation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 5 hours ago, bharathh said: https://thedailyguardian.com/why-making-msp-a-legal-right-is-a-bad-idea/ I know you will still continue to keep shifting goalposts.. but pls do read :) The goal post is well defined. Gaurantee the MSP. The article is crap because the author says it hurts the farmer. How does a gaurantee price hurt a farmer? If anything it helps the farmer. Moreover the author is rather naive in his thinking that crop is purchased at MSP. Very little is purchased at MSP and farmers in Punjab/haryana/Up barely get if lucky 70% of MSP and Bihar maybe 50-60% of MSP. Think of MSP as deficit spending just like any other thing government does. It keeps people employed till India transitions to industrial economy. The myth about punjab farmer being rich is nothing but myth. They are drowning in debt and just like Kerala they survive by remittance from Europe/North Amaerica. Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 2 hours ago, urbestfriend said: Or He'll go after the messenger completely ignoring the message. This article discusses one aspects of legalizing MSP. But there is more to it why legalization of MSP may lead to other issues . 1. Currently FCI does open ended procurement only in few states, and for other states, it is the states who does the procurement. FCI sets the limit of how much they procure thus the remaining crops are sold in open market. Now according to one estimate, if FCI were to procure all the 21 crops completely, it takes around 50% of the annual budget which is not feasible. 2. These folks claim, govt need not procure but fix the MSP so that private players are forced to procure not less than MSP, punish them if procured less than MSP. This sounds good. But here are the problems. a. You cant have such laws only for few crops because it is discrimination. One cant say to bring a law which says MSP is legal for Wheat but not so for onion. This means Govt have to fix MSP for all agricultural crops. Now whether govt has the capability to do this for all the crops across India? Input cost is different from one place to other place, hence is it possible to have one MSP country wide for one crop? Do they take quality into consideration or not? b. In case of bumper crop, enforcing of MSP by private player means the cost of the crop wont come down to the consumer. This means there wont be increase in consumption. So some farmers who sold earlier or some big farmers might benefit at MSP while there wont be buyers for other farmers due to oversupply. Now who will buy these crops? c. Other problem is MSP politicization. Each party may claim to increase the MSP to win election as farmers are considerable vote bank thus hurting the consumer who may also be poor which leads to increase in inflation. Bhai, its tel tale sign of Kejri supporters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 The bottom line is that farming as a profession and source of income is over. At best it can be done part time. Government needs to set upindustry and such so that they can transition there. Need to do it in proper steps. Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 1 hour ago, mishra said: Bhai, its tel tale sign of Kejri supporters Very proud of Kejriwal. Higly educated and an honest person. Jimmy Cliff and PunterLog 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharathh Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Khota said: Very proud of Kejriwal. Higly educated and an honest person. mishra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunterLog Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Khota said: Very proud of Kejriwal. Higly educated and an honest person. Hello Mr. Kejriwal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda-esque Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Can't believe I supported kejriwal as one point..after that he played animal farm animal farm and started his fake antics..Fool me once shame on you... mishra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Yoda-esque said: Can't believe I supported kejriwal as one point..after that he played animal farm animal farm and started his fake antics.. Fool me once shame on you... There are many on the forum who fell for IAC movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda-esque Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 There are many on the forum who fell for IAC movement. There's some empty heads here who support mullah kejrudddin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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