ravishingravi Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 Curse entrepreneurs. Discourage competition. Break private property and then claim lack of jobs. Punjabiyat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 19 minutes ago, ravishingravi said: Curse entrepreneurs. Discourage competition. Break private property and then claim lack of jobs. Punjabiyat. Unemployment is at 8% in Punjab. Haryana has 37% & J&K has 44%...Top unemployed states in India. Another poor post outta bias & hatred. Under_Score and Khota 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Under_Score said: Well, I feel that his hatred could be bcos Punjab farmers protest resulted in victory against the corporate friendly farms laws which were rejected by Punjab & Haryana farmers There was a valid reason for the farmer's protest....this article sheds light on that. Posted below from the article. The government appears to be giving farmers more choice. Why should anyone object to that? Then I read the fine print of the legislation. With their uncanny grassroots intuition, the farmers had realized something that many economists, including me, had missed. Farmers the world over receive government subsidies. In 2019, China spent an estimated $185.9 billion on farm subsidies, followed by the European Union ($101.3 billion), the United States ($48.9 billion), and India ($11 billion). But different countries give these subsidies in different ways. If the government dismantles the MSP system instead of reforming it, millions of farmers will be forced to sell their products to four or five big agribusiness corporations. And this is precisely what the fine print of the new laws reveals. If a corporation violates a contract with a farmer, the new laws prohibit the farmer from seeking redress in a regular court. The legislation further helps big business by removing restrictions on stockpiling food grain that were put in place to discourage firms from artificially raising prices. I believe big corporations are needed in agricultural markets. And I think the Indian government’s new laws would have been more acceptable had policymakers shown sensitivity to the need for antitrust enforcement to level the playing field for the millions of farmers who would be pitted against a few large firms. https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/indias-farm-laws-are-a-global-problem/ I am kinda 50-50 on farm laws... But he ideally should be questioning beloved supreme leader PM Modi g for his failure to implement the laws properly. Just like his jumlas on NRC & CAA... But instead he is openly participating in settlement of Rohingyas in Jammu & Delhi. He will never call out the hypocrisy.. How can someone take him seriously when he compares Punjab with Paxtan? Edited May 2, 2023 by Lone Wolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 4 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: I am kinda 50-50 on farm laws... But he ideally should be questioning beloved supreme leader PM Modi g for his failure to implement the laws properly. Just like his jumlas on NRC & CAA... But instead he is openly participating in settlement of Rohingyas in Jammu & Delhi. He will never call out the hypocrisy.. How can someone take him seriously when he compares Punjab with Paxtan? He is a very delusional individual. His hatred for all Punjabi is sickening. Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Khota said: He is a very delusional individual. His hatred for all Punjabi is sickening. A while ago he mentioned unemployment in Punjab that Punjabis are useless & unemployed... Then I showed him official numbers were better than most Indian states (BJP ruled ones too) He said he can't believe it. Stopped taking him seriously since then. He is a Punjabi hating NRI. Next time he comes again I will show him the HDI index an accurate metric to measure prosperity & living standards. He will lose it for comparison with Pakistan. Stats don't lie Punjab still remains one of the most prosperous states in India alongside Himachal Tamil Nadu & heck even Kerala despite being a border state with not a lot of big industrial sector Edited May 2, 2023 by Lone Wolf Khota 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 2 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: A while ago he mentioned unemployment in Punjab that Punjabis are useless & unemployed... Then I showed him official numbers were better than most Indian states (BJP ruled ones too) He said he can't believe it. Stopped taking him seriously since then. He is a Punjabi hating NRI. Next time he comes again I will show him the HDI index an accurate metric to measure prosperity & living standards. He will lose it for comparison with Pakistan. Stats don't lie Punjab still remains one of the most prosperous states in India alongside Himachal Tamil Nadu & heck even Kerala despite being a border state with not a lot of big industrial sector If you don't vote BJP he hates you. There is no tolerance in his posts. Lone Wolf and Under_Score 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 (edited) On 5/2/2023 at 2:33 AM, Under_Score said: Well, I feel that his hatred could be bcos Punjab farmers protest resulted in victory against the corporate friendly farms laws which were rejected by Punjab & Haryana farmers There was a valid reason for the farmer's protest....this article sheds light on that. Posted below from the article. The government appears to be giving farmers more choice. Why should anyone object to that? Then I read the fine print of the legislation. With their uncanny grassroots intuition, the farmers had realized something that many economists, including me, had missed. Farmers the world over receive government subsidies. In 2019, China spent an estimated $185.9 billion on farm subsidies, followed by the European Union ($101.3 billion), the United States ($48.9 billion), and India ($11 billion). But different countries give these subsidies in different ways. If the government dismantles the MSP system instead of reforming it, millions of farmers will be forced to sell their products to four or five big agribusiness corporations. And this is precisely what the fine print of the new laws reveals. If a corporation violates a contract with a farmer, the new laws prohibit the farmer from seeking redress in a regular court. The legislation further helps big business by removing restrictions on stockpiling food grain that were put in place to discourage firms from artificially raising prices. I believe big corporations are needed in agricultural markets. And I think the Indian government’s new laws would have been more acceptable had policymakers shown sensitivity to the need for antitrust enforcement to level the playing field for the millions of farmers who would be pitted against a few large firms. https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/indias-farm-laws-are-a-global-problem/ Protest against farm laws ki successi ki taali bajao , ab farmers bughat rahein hain. Farm laws could have helped the fight against hegemony of evil mandi arthiyas buying at ₹1/kg. https://twitter.com/ramanmann1974/status/1650692954850467840?s=46&t=SP7RMD3tK-92g90EjOnhgA Farmers were throwing their produce on the streets in protest. Moorkhon! Edited May 3, 2023 by coffee_rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 11 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Protest against farm laws ki successi ki taali bajao , ab farmers bughat rahein hain. Farm laws could have helped the fight against hegemony of evil mandi arthiyas buying at ₹1/kg. https://twitter.com/ramanmann1974/status/1650692954850467840?s=46&t=SP7RMD3tK-92g90EjOnhgA Farmers were throwing their produce on the streets in protest. Moorkhon! Once again you are missing the point. Completely. Slowly people will leave farming once Indian economy gets bigger. This was the wrong way to do it. Same as the demonetization crap. Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 27 minutes ago, Under_Score said: You are acting like as if majority of farmers in Punjab are throwing Capsicum on the streets...Typical BJP it cell propaganda post. As a farmer, you should grow crop according to the demand & season time, who knows....may be these farmers were late in trying to sell. The amount of Capsicum shown in the photo is way less than the amount that get consumed in Capsicum pakodas in a Punjabi wedding You can’t argue without bringing BJP here. Nobody knows how much is the damage. You don’t care unles Anjum or whoever puts out a video and you do mala jap as if it is antim satya!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 3 hours ago, Khota said: Once again you are missing the point. Completely. Slowly people will leave farming once Indian economy gets bigger. This was the wrong way to do it. Same as the demonetization crap. Point being farmers lost out gaining advantage of new farm laws. BJP chickening out mainly to win UP elections. Bhaad mein jaaye Punjab aur kisaan, they are happy farm laws were redacted. Punjab 1 Modi 0, asal mein Punjab farmers 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 7 hours ago, Khota said: Once again you are missing the point. Completely. Slowly people will leave farming once Indian economy gets bigger. This was the wrong way to do it. Same as the demonetization crap. Demonitisation was done because Indian Gvmnt had intel that paper on which printing was supposed to be done was over sold by manufacturer and buyer was one of our friendly neighbour. Secondly adaptation of digitisation of economic transactions happened at faster pace. The idea that do nothing and let society and economy change organically got us where we were till Shri PVN and Dr MMS made a drastic change to economy of India. Same oragnic change theory is backed in case of UCC when in reality, personal laws wrt Hindu and Christian were changed and society adapted to it despite opposition from various quarter. I do not understand why same principle cant be applied in case of Farm laws. Agree that organically you will reach where you want to reach but India has allready lost a lot of time. Population control, land reform , UCC are three key areas. No one is absolutely wrong in the opinion but atleast the ones who believe in nudge theory arent outrightly behaving dumb to opposing POV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 This is what is called changing goal posts. At the time when this bill was introduced, the argument was that MSP will be taken away, big businesses will kill the farmers, mandi system will be closed. Most of these highly emotional jaaahils didn't read the actual bill. And now all of them suddenly are realizing that Punjab is screwed for good. Khota and coffee_rules 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 8 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Point being farmers lost out gaining advantage of new farm laws. BJP chickening out mainly to win UP elections. Bhaad mein jaaye Punjab aur kisaan, they are happy farm laws were redacted. Punjab 1 Modi 0, asal mein Punjab farmers 0 Punjab 0 Modi 1 but India lost. It is not about wins and loss, it is about doing the right things. Once again they are having a discussion on MSP but no participant from Punjab. Is that right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 3 hours ago, mishra said: Demonitisation was done because Indian Gvmnt had intel that paper on which printing was supposed to be done was over sold by manufacturer and buyer was one of our friendly neighbour. Secondly adaptation of digitisation of economic transactions happened at faster pace. The idea that do nothing and let society and economy change organically got us where we were till Shri PVN and Dr MMS made a drastic change to economy of India. Same oragnic change theory is backed in case of UCC when in reality, personal laws wrt Hindu and Christian were changed and society adapted to it despite opposition from various quarter. I do not understand why same principle cant be applied in case of Farm laws. Agree that organically you will reach where you want to reach but India has allready lost a lot of time. Population control, land reform , UCC are three key areas. No one is absolutely wrong in the opinion but atleast the ones who believe in nudge theory arent outrightly behaving dumb to opposing POV. That demonetization stunt slowed the economy down. Modi does have valid points in Farm reform, but it needs to be done incrementally. Not overnight as they tend to do things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 15 hours ago, mishra said: Demonitisation was done because Indian Gvmnt had intel that paper on which printing was supposed to be done was over sold by manufacturer and buyer was one of our friendly neighbour. Secondly adaptation of digitisation of economic transactions happened at faster pace. At that time the argument was Black money that's why demo was sudden and quick. Time given to people was also very less. Had Pakistan been real cause Demo could had been done silently. Aise kaun se Pakistani jet fake note batsane waale thhe. Under_Score and Khota 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 (edited) On 5/3/2023 at 6:18 PM, coffee_rules said: Protest against farm laws ki successi ki taali bajao , ab farmers bughat rahein hain. Farm laws could have helped the fight against hegemony of evil mandi arthiyas buying at ₹1/kg. https://twitter.com/ramanmann1974/status/1650692954850467840?s=46&t=SP7RMD3tK-92g90EjOnhgA Farmers were throwing their produce on the streets in protest. Moorkhon! Capsicum is perishable crop . No law can help farmers unless cold storage is built. Big companies are already sourcing fruits and vegetables directly from farmers Bigbasket To Source Nearly 80 Percent Of Produce Directly From Farmers https://hungryforever.net/bigbasket/ Edited May 4, 2023 by Singh bling Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 12 hours ago, ravishingravi said: This is what is called changing goal posts. At the time when this bill was introduced, the argument was that MSP will be taken away, big businesses will kill the farmers, mandi system will be closed. Most of these highly emotional jaaahils didn't read the actual bill. And now all of them suddenly are realizing that Punjab is screwed for good. Which part of that argument was incorrect? Punjab is screwed anyway because of dependence on agriculture. Hopefully they quit farming, sooner rather than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 47 minutes ago, Singh bling said: At that time the argument was Black money that's why demo was sudden and quick. Time given to people was also very less. Had Pakistan been real cause Demo could had been done silently. Aise kaun se Pakistani jet fake note batsane waale thhe. It was always about the parallel economy, that still exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 3 hours ago, Singh bling said: Capsicum is perishable crop . No law can help farmers unless cold storage is built. Big companies are already sourcing fruits and vegetables directly from farmers Bigbasket To Source Nearly 80 Percent Of Produce Directly From Farmers https://hungryforever.net/bigbasket/ Didn’t the scaremongering during farmers protests was that Adani had already setup cold storage to store crops/produce for his profits? Corporate greed is sometimes helping farmers in distribution of crops where individual private businessmen are involved now and farmers are left to the mercy of such individual businessmen/arthiyas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 9 hours ago, Singh bling said: At that time the argument was Black money that's why demo was sudden and quick. Time given to people was also very less. Had Pakistan been real cause Demo could had been done silently. Aise kaun se Pakistani jet fake note batsane waale thhe. Manufacturing consent which is in national and peoples interest is key part of ethical politics in democracy. Why do you think BJP shouldnt do it? Secondly, How do you define black money. Is counterfeit notes not part of black money. Or neighbour who has abilty to weapon drop, infiltrate terrorist or smuggle drugs cant smuggle the notes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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