ash Posted February 27, 2021 Posted February 27, 2021 16 minutes ago, ravishingravi said: It is just one of those mysteries about our times that perhaps folks 50 years down the line could understand explain and laugh at. We are willing to perform verbal and logical gymnastics to circumnavigate the problem. The funny part is that there is no ambiguity on facts. Context, numbers and even concerned set of persons are taking responsibility and even taking pride in having these views and backing their actions. But for some odd reason, we will keep going around the problem all the time. This is why I respect the French. On first principles, they are clear and no amount of false equivalence will make them give up on first principles. Again the objectivity is missing. You would as a Hindu compile a list of Islamic terrorist acts in India to argue your case. A Muslim can also easily compile a list of Caste based violence in India to counter argue. He takes pride in having these views and similarly you take pride in having caste in your religion. Problem with both the sides is they think the other is bad BUT they are perfect , which is not the case. The "Who is better" argument is pointless
ash Posted February 27, 2021 Posted February 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, maniac said: There is no whataboutery here. If Dalits are being massacred as you claim, no one justifies that. However evil “upper caste ” kills dalits but it’s ok for poor temple priests to die of starvation or everything and any social evil to be attributed to higher castes. On the flip side you can’t point out the radical part of Islam which is creating a nuisance all over the world. You have a problem with someone having issues with a movie or banning it but no one wants to talk about Rushdie, Taslima, Da Vinci Code etc. can you tell me the chronology here? Hindu should not be offended but others can? This is the hypocrisy people are fed up with. I can’t speak for all but I don’t have problems with Muslims, Dalits etc, I know some great people personally and some famous people I admire and it’s a no brainer that I don’t agree with any innocent being tortured or killed or their rights taken away. The whataboutery seems to come from the other side. All the Hindu has been asking is to leave him alone just like you would the others. Majority find BJP to provide that, as simple as that. If there is a better alternative that is secular and democratic in the truest and purest sense then of course people will vote fo them. When you said "as you claim" for Dalits being massacred, it just proves my point. You are either ignoring the flaws or just think it is not a big deal. Evil upper caste kills Dalits is not a claim or a story, there are countless examples. And btw, if there is a movie about a poor Brahmin starving, would it be banned?? If you want to take this story, no one is stopping you. This victim mentality has to stop
maniac Posted February 27, 2021 Posted February 27, 2021 7 minutes ago, ash said: Again the objectivity is missing. You would as a Hindu compile a list of Islamic terrorist acts in India to argue your case. A Muslim can also easily compile a list of Caste based violence in India to counter argue. He takes pride in having these views and similarly you take pride in having caste in your religion. Problem with both the sides is they think the other is bad BUT they are perfect , which is not the case. The "Who is better" argument is pointless False equivalence. Yes there is caste based violence at times in India. You can bring up Shia-Sunni conflicts or conflicts between middle eastern countries or Ahmadiyya issues to show that. You can’t equate that to Islamic terrorism. At this point you are not thinking rationally.
maniac Posted February 27, 2021 Posted February 27, 2021 1 minute ago, ash said: When you said "as you claim" for Dalits being massacred, it just proves my point. You are either ignoring the flaws or just think it is not a big deal. Evil upper caste kills Dalits is not a claim or a story, there are countless examples. And btw, if there is a movie about a poor Brahmin starving, would it be banned?? If you want to take this story, no one is stopping you. This victim mentality has to stop There are rich Dalits too, in fact I went to college with one (I didn’t ask him or care btw). His dad was a high ranking Cop, one of the wealthiest guy in my class but as he himself said he paid almost nominal fees and academically didn’t care. Could another Dalit have used that or even some poor upper caste kid, you be the judge. However I don’t care because yes Dalits were discriminated and every Hindu accepts that and governments past and present have tried to make it right and no upper caste Hindu has gone to war against those reservations either. You can’t control these exceptions like I mentioned above. This country is secular and has tried to improve itself and evolve only because it is Hindu majority and has a Hindu essence. There is no other counter argument to this sorry.
ash Posted February 27, 2021 Posted February 27, 2021 7 minutes ago, maniac said: False equivalence. Yes there is caste based violence at times in India. You can bring up Shia-Sunni conflicts or conflicts between middle eastern countries or Ahmadiyya issues to show that. You can’t equate that to Islamic terrorism. At this point you are not thinking rationally. No it is not false equivalence. Any act of terror committed in the name of religion ( or race or class or any heirarchy) is terrorism, as simple as that.
maniac Posted February 27, 2021 Posted February 27, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ash said: No it is not false equivalence. Any act of terror committed in the name of religion ( or race or class or any heirarchy) is terrorism, as simple as that. What is your definition of terrorism? You are confused between terrorism and crime. Are you telling me that upper caste Hindus are massacring Dalits in India and all over the world ? Edited February 27, 2021 by maniac
ash Posted February 27, 2021 Posted February 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, maniac said: What is your definition of terrorism? You are confused between terrorism and crime. Are you telling me that upper caste Hindus are massacring Dalits in India and all over the world ? Terrorism does not depend on the count or scale. If any act of crime is committed not for any personal gain, but for a doctrine or religious rules it is terrorism
Yoda-esque Posted February 27, 2021 Posted February 27, 2021 Terrorism does not depend on the count or scale. If any act of crime is committed not for any personal gain, but for a doctrine or religious rules it is terrorismAnd who has the inviolable dogmas in this religious rules thing? Dharmics atleast question and rationalize but have you seen anyone else do that?If scale doesn't matter, why is Hitler so maligned ?
PunterLog Posted February 27, 2021 Author Posted February 27, 2021 11 hours ago, ash said: When it comes to portraying religion, Muslims have been depicted as terrorrists for a long time. If you have a long beard and wear a cap, you can't even get a house for rent in many places due to the negative stereotype. What's your opinion about Quran not allowing Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men? Isn't that religion sanctioned discrimination? Isn't the Quran full of bigotry towards non-Muslims? Can the average Indian Muslim take criticism about the Quran or Muhammad?
Yoda-esque Posted February 27, 2021 Posted February 27, 2021 Father of Richa Bharti, the girl who had refused to distribute Quran to secure bail, shot dead in native Bihar village. Again since no mainstream media is covering this, can someone please tell me what sort of a judgement it's is to distribute books to secure bail? Could it even be true? coffee_rules, Laaloo and PunterLog 3
coffee_rules Posted February 27, 2021 Posted February 27, 2021 9 hours ago, ash said: Again the objectivity is missing. You would as a Hindu compile a list of Islamic terrorist acts in India to argue your case. A Muslim can also easily compile a list of Caste based violence in India to counter argue. He takes pride in having these views and similarly you take pride in having caste in your religion. Problem with both the sides is they think the other is bad BUT they are perfect , which is not the case. The "Who is better" argument is pointless There is no such debate about who is better in this thread. Open a different thread about the ill-wills of casteism in Hinduism. This issue is about how liberals, commies , evangelicals. and Islamists treat general notions about Hinduism
Gollum Posted February 28, 2021 Posted February 28, 2021 (edited) Very few Hindu families left in Kashmir. One of them being owners of a popular eatery in Srinagar called Krishna Dhaba, The owner's 22 yo son, Akash Mehra (Dogra) was shot at by jihadis (Muslim Janbaaz Force) during normal working hours a couple of weeks back. Now succumbs to injuries, this is so normal now that we must take these sort of news as part of daily life. No non-Muslim is safe in a Muslim majority area and not just in neighboring countries like Pak, Afg, BD. Look at how kafirs have been killed, tortured, driven out of Kashmir.......a few dozen Hindu/Sikh/Buddhist families still there but Muslims can't even tolerate that. They want 100% Muslim pop. And then they say Kashmir is a political problem, not a case of Islamic radicalization. Libbus obviously will love these kind of incidents but expect better from this GOI. Z+ security for snakes like Muftis, Lones, Abdullahs (even Hurriyat leaders till recently) while Hindu/Sikh sarpanchs don't even have a bodyguard, forget innocent civilians like the Mehra family. Edited February 28, 2021 by Gollum PunterLog 1
Gollum Posted February 28, 2021 Posted February 28, 2021 (edited) Usual suspects celebrating Akash Mehra's death. So many of them studying in Delhi/Bengaluru/Chennai, potential jihadis all of these harami KMs. Edited February 28, 2021 by Gollum
coffee_rules Posted February 28, 2021 Posted February 28, 2021 (edited) People worried about casteism in Hinduism, this is how real tragedy about 59 Hindus burnt alive is normalized in mainstream as a ‘joke’.. laugh it out . Same about Hindus hacked in WB or Kerala or elsewhere in India. It’s all a bloody joke, no pun intended . Which sane person, Hindu or otherwise claps and laughs at this as a joke. Zinda jala diya, marne ke baad jalate hain na.. This is the definition of Hindu hatred, not phobia..This guy Munawar , he was hailed as figure of dissent for liberals. Because he was arrested in a BJP ruled state in Indore. How is this guy different from Kamlesh Tiwari who mocked Rasool PBUH for pedophilia and got beheaded! Edited February 28, 2021 by coffee_rules
Gollum Posted February 28, 2021 Posted February 28, 2021 13 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: People worried about casteism in Hinduism, this is how real tragedy about 59 Hindus burnt alive is normalized in mainstream as a ‘joke’.. laugh it out . Same about Hindus hacked in WB or Kerala or elsewhere in India. It’s all a bloody joke, no pun intended Honest Muslim, we need more honest Muslims to make the world a better place. PunterLog and coffee_rules 2
PunterLog Posted February 28, 2021 Author Posted February 28, 2021 Munawar Faruqui's views are the same as the average Indian Muslim. Hindu Liberals are utterly delusional and any non-Muslim person who's lived in a Muslim majority area will understand that secularism is a one way street. Laaloo 1
Yoda-esque Posted February 28, 2021 Posted February 28, 2021 Munawar Faruqui's views are the same as the average Indian Muslim. Hindu Liberals are utterly delusional and any non-Muslim person who's lived in a Muslim majority area will understand that secularism is a one way street.Agree,totally delusional.Look at Mamata , she starts with 30 percent muslim vote + 30 percent hindu dhimmi vote..how the eff can share lose?!!!And then when there's violence these same dhimmis are okay with it.
Yoda-esque Posted February 28, 2021 Posted February 28, 2021 Did you hear the standup comedian munnawar farooqi making fun on Godhra where 57 Dharmics were burnt alive? There was clapping by dhimmis. But when a joke was made by kamlesh tiwari on the one that cannot be named, his head was cut off and not a peep from these dhimmis. Most of these dhimmis call themselves "rational" ( lol) hindus.Can some one explain what's rational about the two incidents above?
Gollum Posted February 28, 2021 Posted February 28, 2021 Nikita Tomar Satpal Nischal Rinku Sharma Rahul Krishna Akash Mehra and many more All innocent victims of Islamist aggression, what's the narrative? Hindus bad, JSR war cry, saffron bad, fukc Om, dara hua M, RSS=ISIS, BJP=Taliban......
PunterLog Posted February 28, 2021 Author Posted February 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Yoda-esque said: Did you hear the standup comedian munnawar farooqi making fun on Godhra where 57 Dharmics were burnt alive? There was clapping by dhimmis. But when a joke was made by kamlesh tiwari on the one that cannot be named, his head was cut off and not a peep from these dhimmis. Most of these dhimmis call themselves "rational" ( lol) hindus.Can some one explain what's rational about the two incidents above? I've been saying for a while that Hindus aren't 75% of India but only around 60%. The other 15% is made of secular zombies.
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