IPL ... Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners ....

[singhvivek141]

8 hours ago, vishalvirsingh said:

seeing Siraj's bowling in the IPL , i will not select him to play for INDIA in T20 against Africa. i understand there is one T20 series to be played after IPL between africa and INDIA.

In T20's yes, Siraj is extremely mercurial..when he starts leaking runs it's difficult to plug the gaps, plus he looks confused as well when hit.
Siraj is tailor made for Tests.
 

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, Vilander said:

Looks like they were bowling rubbish though Umran and Tyagi

They both were unlucky on diff occasions, Kane dropped a dolly of Umran. Markram drop a catch as well off Tyagi on boundary which went for six.

[express bowling]

6 hours ago, Vijy said:

tyagi bowled quite well, even though he went for runs. 

 

 

I found Tyagi's bowling to be very impressive.

 

He is returning after a long break but still landed most balls in good areas and bowled to a plan too. And he bowled perfect yorkers and bouncers at will.

 

As Bishop pointed out, going at 9 runs an over on a super flat pitch where the innings run rate is 10, is quite good and it has to be considered in this context.

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[singhvivek141]

10 minutes ago, express bowling said:

I found Tyagi's bowling to be very impressive.

 

He is returning after a long break but still landed most balls in good areas and bowled to a plan too. And he bowled perfect yorkers and bouncers at will.

 

As Bishop pointed out, going at 9 runs an over on a super flat pitch where the nnings run rate is 10, is quite good and it has to be considered in that context.

He ran with a purpose and has clear mind of what he wants to do. 

In comparison, yesterday Umran was bowling express but he was looking kinda brainless.

[Rightarmfast]

13 hours ago, Forward Defence said:

Thomson clocked 99.xx mph in a speed contest featuring Roberts, Holding, Imran , Wayne Daniel etc

Umm... I think he clocked around 147ish in the speed contest. Imran was at 139ish. 

The 99.7 was the highest clocked delivery he had. Ofcourse, if one was to believe him he used to bowl around 175 k's every other day.

[Rightarmfast]

My 2 pence on Umran is, it shouldnt matter to him whether he is going for runs or not. Focus should be on speed. Good to see that is exactly what he is doing. The next big step is to see if he can sustain the high pace in the longer version of the game. Thats going to be the ultimate test.

Umran will only be used as a demolisher rather than a work horse. Max 3-4 overs at one go in tests. He will only be used to shock batsmen. The current management knows it well, and so does the cricket captain and players. Dont think there is any possibility in the world that he can be ignored now. 

 

Feel for bowlers like Nagarkoti. They couldnt make hay while the sun was shining. Looks even more difficult for such bowlers to break in, into the team now.

It is the Nagarkotti kind of bowlers who need to ensure they dont go for runs, without losing out on speed. They are the 2nd tier of bowlers now. Umran is already in the top tier, having broken such speed records which are impossible to be recognized by one and all.

[nsareen]

i feel he has done enough to showcase what he can do, he should be given a break & bought back in slightly favourable pitches not on these flat pattas, if he is smart he would know India jersey is just months away & he should focus on staying fit , next goal international matches , fo boost confidence he should ply a few matches against zim ban sri before going to play aus nz sa eng..


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[nsareen]

i feel he has done enough to showcase what he can do, he should be given a break & bought back in slightly favourable pitches not on these flat pattas, if he is smart he would know India jersey is just months away & he should focus on staying fit , next goal international matches , fo boost confidence he should ply a few matches against zim ban sri before going to play aus nz sa eng..


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very important now on how SRH uses him , hopefully he doesn’t get burnt out , i feel last two matches he put out a lot of energy to generate these speeds..


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[nsareen]

on the topic of speeds can somebody post height of cricket stadiums where fastest balls were recorded.

e.g cape town cricket stadium is 6000 ft above sea level.


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[Forward Defence]

59 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

Umm... I think he clocked around 147ish in the speed contest. Imran was at 139ish. 

The 99.7 was the highest clocked delivery he had. Ofcourse, if one was to believe him he used to bowl around 175 k's every other day.

Just watched that video again. You are correct. The speeds of the west Indians were quite underwhelming.

But just as an aside it is amply evident that Thomson was the quickest of his era followed by Holding probably.

[Lone Wolf]

31 minutes ago, nsareen said:

on the topic of speeds can somebody post height of cricket stadiums where fastest balls were recorded.

e.g cape town cricket stadium is 6000 ft above sea level.


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He will clock higher as soon as the air resistance is thin & venues where ball travels. 

In India Dharamsala could be the place...  Kumara was effortlessly bowling 149-150k there in T20s.  Ball travels there very fast. 

 

[nsareen]

He will clock higher as soon as the air resistance is thin & venues where ball travels. 
In India Dharamsala could be the place...  Kumara was effortlessly bowling 149-150k there in T20s.  Ball travels there very fast. 
 

that’s the reason i wanted to see the difference in 157kmph @100ft vs 157@ 6000 ft..


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[Vilander]

7 hours ago, Jay said:

why though? inferiority complex? dont like to see indians excel?

what is his reasoning. its pathetic. 

his reasoning would be that he was focusing on the run of play which was Powell pummeling the ball and winning the game. But his job is to note such events he could have said something on the lines of 157k could not help he still hits a four or something like that. 
 

Just overall a small statured individual with fake humility as a coping mech for his own inabilities. 

[Vilander]

5 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

Umm... I think he clocked around 147ish in the speed contest. Imran was at 139ish. 

The 99.7 was the highest clocked delivery he had. Ofcourse, if one was to believe him he used to bowl around 175 k's every other day.

he used to claim that they measured speed at batsman’s end and that at release point he was well over 160. 
 

then again this is their absolute best effort ball lol.. let that sink in 139 is absolute best effort ball for imran, boobie and Vinay and unadkat have done faster effort balls through their careers lol.. 

 

[Vijy]

4 hours ago, Forward Defence said:

Just watched that video again. You are correct. The speeds of the west Indians were quite underwhelming.

But just as an aside it is amply evident that Thomson was the quickest of his era followed by Holding probably.

marshall was faster than holding based on visuals, but holding may have the edge due to his flowing action

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, nsareen said:

that’s the reason i wanted to see the difference in 157kmph @100ft vs 157@ 6000 ft..


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These are release speeds measured just out of the hand ... hardly travels through air when it's measured.  Just a very short distance.

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[Vilander]

5 hours ago, nsareen said:

i feel he has done enough to showcase what he can do, he should be given a break & bought back in slightly favourable pitches not on these flat pattas, if he is smart he would know India jersey is just months away & he should focus on staying fit , next goal international matches , fo boost confidence he should ply a few matches against zim ban sri before going to play aus nz sa eng..


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need to play Bangladesh and srilanka pronto in dharmasahala etc get some confidence going. This is like first contact with express for India, hope team leadership has a protocol for this scenario lol. Wish it was Ravi sastri instead of Dravid at helm. 

[nsareen]

 
 
These are release speeds measured just out of the hand ... hardly travels through the air when it's measured. 

Don’t think its just out of the hand.. there is a difference in short balls and full balls.. so my assumption is air speed is taken into account


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[express bowling]

1 minute ago, Vijy said:

marshall was faster than holding based on visuals, but holding may have the edge due to his flowing action

 

It was the 1979 Speed Competition snd Marshall hadn't started then.

 

Apart from Thomson, speeds were pretty low for all others, considering that all they were trying was bowl fast.

[Vilander]

7 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

They both were unlucky on diff occasions, Kane dropped a dolly of Umran. Markram drop a catch as well off Tyagi on boundary which went for six.

Yup Kane drop was a dolly, Markram noting he is SA is a dolly for their standards he needed to be a step behind closer to the rope.