Will Root end up with a higher average than Kohli?

[Majestic]

1 minute ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Hardly matters who ends at what avg. Kohli has already done enough to be ranked among the best India has produced. Show me one batsman who was as consistent as Virat. Also Root/Kane/Smith would have only made a fraction of money compared to Virat, in the end 1-2 avg runs less is nothing compared to 1000cr more in bank. 

He should distribute that 100cr among 100 ICFers who are very active on this forum. 1 cr each would do 

[speedracer]

21 minutes ago, Majestic said:

I would give 9 to Kallis/Sangakkara. Root doesn't have a hundred in Australia so 8.5.

 

Coolie and Kane is a tricky one but atleast Coolie has iconic knocks in England, South Africa and Australia. Kane has nothing in South Africa or England that I can remember. The WTC Final was won by Jamieson. Kane just scored some runs in 150 run chase, partnered by Taylor.

True. Good point. My hate towards coolie might be clouding my judgement here. But yea fair enough. Pujara? 7?

[Stan AF]

After his 152*, he's back to averaging 50 now.

 

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[Vijy]

10 hours ago, Stan AF said:

After his 152*, he's back to averaging 50 now.

 

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rooting for root to keep it over 50 while playing in tough conditions all over the world; pitches in eng are harder than those in Oz (where smith piles on runs). smith is greater than root, but the latter is great too

[Nikola]

I won't give kane even 5. He is no where near kohli the test batsman even though kohli has been going through bad patch for 3 years now. If you have to compare him then rahane is right guy but i think in most cases rahane will outperform him too.

 

Root/Smith: 9

Kohli: 8.5

Kane: 3

 

Till now if we have to rate then Root & Smith will be on top with kohli just behind. If kohli & smith's cannot find form for next 2-3 years then root will go much ahead for others to catch up.

Edited February 25, 2023 by Nikola

[speedracer]

3 hours ago, Nikola said:

I won't give kane even 5. He is no where near kohli the test batsman even though kohli has been going through bad patch for 3 years now. If you have to compare him then rahane is right guy but i think in most cases rahane will outperform him too.

 

Root/Smith: 9

Kohli: 8.5

Kane: 3

 

Till now if we have to rate then Root & Smith will be on top with kohli just behind. If kohli & smith's cannot find form for next 2-3 years then root will go much ahead for others to catch up.

Ghujara and Kane are around same level although peak ghujara was Oz killer and a monster in Asia. He also did reasonably well in England.

Edited February 25, 2023 by speedracer

[Vijy]

2 hours ago, speedracer said:

Ghujara and Kane are around same level although peak ghujara was Oz killer and a monster in Asia. He also did reasonably well in England.

kane is much better in NZ than chepu; maybe better in Eng too

[Majestic]

6 hours ago, Nikola said:

I won't give kane even 5. He is no where near kohli the test batsman even though kohli has been going through bad patch for 3 years now. If you have to compare him then rahane is right guy but i think in most cases rahane will outperform him too.

 

Root/Smith: 9

Kohli: 8.5

Kane: 3

 

Till now if we have to rate then Root & Smith will be on top with kohli just behind. If kohli & smith's cannot find form for next 2-3 years then root will go much ahead for others to catch up.

 

20 hours ago, speedracer said:

True. Good point. My hate towards coolie might be clouding my judgement here. But yea fair enough. Pujara? 7?

Kane has been a Pakistan basher and had one great series on pattas in Australia. Never mind, he scores faster than Pujara.

 

To be honest, Pujara batted like a tailender in WTC Final. So, yes Pujara a 6.5. I will definitely rate Kane slightly higher. He has a bigger pedigree than Pujara and has a WTC win.

 

[Majestic]

37 minutes ago, Vijy said:

kane is much better in NZ than chepu; maybe better in Eng too

Kane is better in NZ, Eng, WI, BD, Zim.

 

Pujara is better in Aus, SA, Ind, SL.

 

A bit weird that the difference in average is so big between them(44 vs 52).

[Vijy]

57 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Kane is better in NZ, Eng, WI, BD, Zim.

 

Pujara is better in Aus, SA, Ind, SL.

 

A bit weird that the difference in average is so big between them(44 vs 52).

because chepu has sucked in asia lately, whereas kane has maintained beast form at home (until last 1 yr)

[speedracer]

59 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Kane is better in NZ, Eng, WI, BD, Zim.

 

Pujara is better in Aus, SA, Ind, SL.

 

A bit weird that the difference in average is so big between them(44 vs 52).

Aus sa performed matter more than English and nz so maybe puji with a slight edge? 

[Vijy]

Just now, speedracer said:

Aus sa performed matter more than English and nz so maybe puji with a slight edge? 

but our weakest 2 venues have been NZ and Eng, not so much Aus and SA

[speedracer]

Just now, Vijy said:

but our weakest 2 venues have been NZ and Eng, not so much Aus and SA

True. For one it's cause we never go there prepared. Nz I.e. we never play tour games and don't actually play with full intensity for some reason.

 

Poms we have done well at times away but yea 2018 we really should have won. Injuries and poor selections cost us. We should ha e hammered them 3 -1 or even 4-1 in 2021 and ended up drawing thanks to rain in one test and the ipl.

[Majestic]

1 hour ago, Vijy said:

because chepu has sucked in asia lately, whereas kane has maintained beast form at home (until last 1 yr)

Chepu also has played a good number of away games overseas compared to Kane so his average sucks a bit.

 

Actually the major difference is down to India not playing Pakistan while Kane has feasted fully on Pak bowlers home and away both. Not playing vs Pak also means it cover up that by playing in SENA.

[Majestic]

1 hour ago, speedracer said:

Aus sa performed matter more than English and nz so maybe puji with a slight edge? 

Aus > Eng > SA> NZ. Also, SL > WI.

 

Kane's stats are highly inflated either way.

 

Against SENA, India and Pakistan,

 

Kane averages 44.

Pujara 41.

 

Against SENA and India,

 

Kane averages 38.

Pujara 41.

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=5;opposition=6;opposition=7;orderby=runs;spanmax1=31+Dec+2100;spanmin1=01+Jan+2001;spanval1=span;team=5;team=6;template=results;type=allround

 

[speedracer]

6 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Aus > Eng > SA> NZ. Also, SL > WI.

 

Kane's stats are highly inflated either way.

 

Against SENA, India and Pakistan,

 

Kane averages 44.

Pujara 41.

 

Against SENA and India,

 

Kane averages 38.

Pujara 41.

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=5;opposition=6;opposition=7;orderby=runs;spanmax1=31+Dec+2100;spanmin1=01+Jan+2001;spanval1=span;team=5;team=6;template=results;type=allround

 

Nha SA >> England. Always have been in history although h2h it's different. No English team ever reached number 1 except cooks team for like 1 year Max. 

 

In terms of rankings

 

Aus

SA

Then eng Lund

Nz

 

For sena nations.

[Number]

On 2/25/2023 at 10:17 AM, jf1gp_1 said:

Hardly matters who ends at what avg. Kohli has already done enough to be ranked among the best India has produced. Show me one batsman who was as consistent as Virat. Also Root/Kane/Smith would have only made a fraction of money compared to Virat, in the end 1-2 avg runs less is nothing compared to 1000cr more in bank. 

 

What logic lol. Are you serious ? If that's the case Ambani is better than Viv Richards. 

[jf1gp_1]

3 minutes ago, Number said:

 

What logic lol. Are you serious ? If that's the case Ambani is better than Viv Richards. 

Read again. I wrote 1-2 avg runs less. Is Ambani is cricketer ?

[vvvslaxman]

Root is technically a better player than all the other 3. Smith has great hand eye coordination. It allowed him to adapt to different pitches. Root's method is fool proof.  Rat is a frontfoot plonker. Ability to pick the length is the key for a batsman. But when Rat had good reflexes he could play everything on the frontfoot. Now he is unable to do.  Kane is the weakest of all.

[Serpico]