What Metrics Was Used By BCCI To Select Pandya, Varun And Drop Dhawan?

[zen]

Just now, Khota said:

I will take Jadeja over Pandya anyday. Much better option.

 

Jadeja is not an ideal T20 player when compared to the best in the business. Has been playing big tournaments for Ind since 2009. 

 

SDP would walk into most teams including Aus, which has a great sports culture and love players like him. 

[putrevus]

4 minutes ago, Khota said:

Last match was a perfect situation when he could come one down. If he opened he was experienced enough to stop the collapse.

I think SKY will do well in coming matches.Kohli has to bat at number 3 after early wickets.He is the best batsman on the team and he has to stop the collpases. 

[Adamant]

4 minutes ago, zen said:

 

Slowly began to hit well, winning MI a game v PK ... In this WC, helped Ind to reach 150 v Pak after Kohli and Jadeja sucked out momentum once Pant departed 

11(8), with one being an edged four. 

[express bowling]

39 minutes ago, Khota said:

No. You have to strike a balance between runs scored and strikerate. Is a sr of 200 acceptable at the top if you only score 10 runs?

 

 

A pinch hitter striking at 200 at the top and averaging 20 would be excellent.

 

If someone is used as the sheet anchor opener, even then he should have a SR of atleast 130 while averaging 35+.

 

Dhawan's averages are not impressive either.

 

Last 1 year ..    Averages 24.4 at 111.0 SR

Last 2 years  .. Averages 28.8 at 113.8 SR

Last 3 years .. Averages 30.1 at 122.2 SR

 

 

Edited October 30, 2021 by express bowling

[zen]

6 minutes ago, Adamant said:

11(8), with one being an edged four. 

 

That happens to be the highest SR for Ind in the game. No need to say, he came in to bat with only 12-13 balls to go and would attempt to hit every ball out of the park against an inform Pak attack. 

 

Edited October 30, 2021 by zen

[Adamant]

Just now, zen said:

 

That happens to be the highest SR for Ind in the game. No need to say, he came in to bat with only 12-13 balls to go and would attempt to hit every ball out of the park against an inform Pak attack. 

 

Bro, 3(2) is also a 150 st rate innings but we don't hail a batsman for that. 

 

Coming in to bat for last two three overs is his responsibility, look at what Asif Ali did. 

[zen]

Just now, Adamant said:

Bro, 3(2) is also a 150 st rate innings but we don't hail a batsman for that. 

 

Coming in to bat for last two three overs is his responsibility, look at what Asif Ali did. 

 

The points being made are much deeper than what you are interpreting. I have no interest in spoon feeding. 

 

As for Asif Ali, he did well but he hit out a relatively weak AFG bowler. SDP has played many such innings in T20s. 

 

 

[express bowling]

22 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Bro, 3(2) is also a 150 st rate innings but we don't hail a batsman for that. 

 

Coming in to bat for last two three overs is his responsibility, look at what Asif Ali did. 

 

Exactly !

 

In the last 4 overs, teams try to score around 50 runs or more, when setting targets.

 

This means the needed SR is 200+ at the end.

 

A good innings in the last 4 overs must have batsmen striking at 200+.if they are setting a target. Plus some minimum runs are required too, like say 20+.

Edited October 30, 2021 by express bowling

[Adamant]

9 minutes ago, zen said:

 

The points being made are much deeper than what you are interpreting. I have no interest in spoon feeding. 

 

As for Asif Ali, he did well but he hit out a relatively weak AFG bowler. SDP has played many such innings in T20s. 

 

 

Asif Ali also "hit out" newzealand's attack, let's see how Pandya does against them provided the team actually considers him worthy of having a spot in playing eleven. 

 

As for spoon feeding, You are calling 11(8) (with one edged four) a good innings, looks like  it's you who needs spoon feeding 

Edited October 30, 2021 by Adamant

[Pollack]

29 minutes ago, zen said:

 

Jadeja is not an ideal T20 player when compared to the best in the business. Has been playing big tournaments for Ind since 2009. 

 

SDP would walk into most teams including Aus, which has a great sports culture and love players like him. 

Seriously how many matches has your Sir Don Pandya won for India? All we hear is how great a player he is which he hasn't  yet proved. We are still waiting for him to turn matches on his own then we will understand. 

[zen]

4 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Asif Ali also "hit out" newzealand's attack, let's see how Pandya does against them provided the team actually considers him worthy of having a spot in playing eleven. 

 

 

SDP has hit out many such attacks including being MoS in Aus. Hit 39 off 17 v Eng recently. 

 

SDP has the highest SR of Ind in its history of matches won in T20s (177)

 

 

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As for spoon feeding, You are calling 11(8) (with one edged four) a good innings, looks like  it's you who needs spoon feeding 

 

When some of the other batsmen are going at 13 off 13 and a when a batsman who has played over 40 balls struggling to hit, coming in with only a few balls to go to score 2 boundaries, along with getting an overthrow for 4, is an effort to take Ind past 150. The batsman coming in next, Bhuvi, did not even attempt to hit a 4 but merely took 1s and 2s. There was only one player in the death overs v Pak, who was attempting to take India over 160. 

[zen]

3 minutes ago, Pollack said:

Seriously how many matches has your Sir Don Pandya won for India? All we hear is how great a player he is which he hasn't  yet proved. We are still waiting for him to turn matches on his own then we will understand. 

 

Many matches. In T20s, he has an avh of 24 and a SR of 177, the best in India's T20 history, in matches won for Ind.  Below are a few examples of his good performances:

• 27 off 12 v SL 
• 31 off 18 v BD 
• 32 off 9  v IRE
• 33 off 14 v ENG
• 21 off 11  v NZ
• 42 off 22 v AUS (MoS in Aus)
• 39 off 17 v ENG

 

Also let's not forget the 3 wkts in 3 balls over v BD in 2016 T20 WC

[Adamant]

6 minutes ago, zen said:

 

SDP has hit out many such attacks including being MoS in Aus. Hit 39 off 17 v Eng recently. 

 

Australia was fielding it's C grade attack,  tye, abbott, moises. 

 

His performance in t20 series vs eng

19(21)

17(15)

11(8)

39(17)

 

Pathetic performance. 

6 minutes ago, zen said:

SDP has the highest SR of Ind in its history of matches won in T20s (177)

 

Yes, he is at his best when we are already in winning position, agree with you here.

6 minutes ago, zen said:

 

When some of the other batsmen are going at 13 off 13 and a when a batsman who has played over 40 balls struggling to hit, coming in with only a few balls to go to score 2 boundaries, along with getting an overthrow for 4, is an effort to take Ind past 150. The batsman coming in next, Bhuvi, did not even attempt to hit a 4 but merely took 1s and 2s. There was only one player in the death overs v Pak, who was attempting to take India over 160. 

The 'other' batsman was the reason India reached 150, your SDP didn't middle a single ball, if the other batsman didn't take any responsibility than we would have gotten out for 100.

[zen]

Just now, Adamant said:

 

Australia was fielding it's C grade attack,  tye, abbott, moises. 

 

 

So? ... Weren't you praising Asif Ali v AFG for scoring v Jannat. Even scored two 90s v Aus where Starc played

 

 

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The 'other' batsman was the reason India reached 150, your SDP didn't middle a single ball, if the other batsman didn't take any responsibility than we would have gotten out for 100.

 

The other batsman sealed the game for Pak. With Ind having to rely on a magical inning to even get to 160 odd. Thanks to SDP at least Ind crossed 150. If he had come earlier, he could have smashed the spinners to take Ind to even 170+. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Adamant]

9 minutes ago, zen said:

 

Many matches. In T20s, he has an avh of 24 and a SR of 177, the best in India's T20 history, in matches won for Ind.  Below are a few examples of his good performances:

Talk about t20Is here, we don't take heed of his performances in tnpl and gokuldham premier league. 

9 minutes ago, zen said:

• 27 off 12 v SL 
• 31 off 18 v BD 
• 32 off 9  v IRE
• 33 off 14 v ENG
• 21 off 11  v NZ
• 42 off 22 v AUS (MoS in Aus)
• 39 off 17 v ENG

So basically just two good performances against  top class attacks. 

Pehle 3 to lower sides hain, 42(22) against tye, moises, abbott,. 

21 of 11 against nz's b class attack where their main bowlers like Boult, lockie, southee, milne weren't playing. 

9 minutes ago, zen said:

Also let's not forget the 3 wkts in 3 balls over v BD in 2016 T20 WC

 

 

I know he is capable of way more, but it's just that he hasn't shown much at international level in t20is. 

[zen]

Just now, Adamant said:

Talk about t20Is here, we don't take heed of his performances in tnpl and gokuldham premier league. 

 

That is T20 ... And I don't know who "we" is. SDP haters? No one cares.

 

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So basically just two good performances against  top class attacks. 

Pehle 3 to lower sides hain, 42(22) against tye, moises, abbott,. 

21 of 11 against nz's b class attack where their main bowlers like Boult, lockie, southee, milne weren't playing. 

 

Yes, among the best for India in the opportunities that he had 

 

 

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I know he is capable of way more, but it's just that he hasn't shown much at international level in t20is.

 

He has in the opportunities that he has got by avging 24 at a SR of 177, best in Ind's history in T20s, in wins. 

 

Play someone like Kohli and Rohit in his role and they will not do half as much. 

 

Thank you. 

[putrevus]

5 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Talk about t20Is here, we don't take heed of his performances in tnpl and gokuldham premier league. 

So basically just two good performances against  top class attacks. 

Pehle 3 to lower sides hain, 42(22) against tye, moises, abbott,. 

21 of 11 against nz's b class attack where their main bowlers like Boult, lockie, southee, milne weren't playing. 

 

 

I know he is capable of way more, but it's just that he hasn't shown much at international level in t20is. 

How do you know he is capable? I have not seen any such capability in him, he is very much in mould of Dhoni with limited short selection.  That is why Dhoni stunk as a t20 player. Yuvraj on other hand could play all around the wicket.

 

Teams know how to block Pandya very well. It is not by accident he rarely has SR over 200 while batting first. Problem is we don't have anyone else either.

Edited October 30, 2021 by putrevus

[Adamant]

1 hour ago, zen said:

 

That is T20 ... And I don't know who "we" is. SDP haters? No one cares.

I don't think he has achieved enough to have haters,  we stands for all of us who think he is overrated and overhyped without meaningful performances. 

1 hour ago, zen said:

 

Yes, among the best for India in the opportunities that he had 

 

 

He is nowhere amongst the best. 

1 hour ago, zen said:

 

He has in the opportunities that he has got by avging 24 at a SR of 177, best in Ind's history in T20s, in wins. 

Yes, as I said, he is quite good at striking when we have already dominated the opposition and that too against mediocre bowling attacks. 

1 hour ago, zen said:

Play someone like Kohli and Rohit in his role and they will not do half as much. 

 

Thank you. 

In the same way that Pandya won't be able to do half as good as them if he opens the innings. 

Both of them are ATG's in their role, Pandya is not even close. 

Thank you. 

[zen]

1 minute ago, Adamant said:

I don't think he has achieved enough to have haters,  we stands for all of us who think he is overrated and overhyped without meaningful performances. 

 

No one cares for whatever that group is. Many even spam on twitter exposing Ind's half baked knowledge on stats and sports. 

 

3 minutes ago, Adamant said:

He is nowhere amongst the best. 

 

Random statement.

 

6 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Yes, as I said, he is quite good at striking when we have already dominated the opposition and that too against mediocre bowling attacks. 

 

Random statement, when the guy has shown great performances in many formats including tests and odis 

 

7 minutes ago, Adamant said:

In the same way that Pandya won't be able to do half as good as them if he opens the innings. 

Both of them are ATG's in their role, Pandya is not even close. 

Thank you. 

 

The guy actually has a test 100, which you may not know about. 

 

Please do not quote me with meaningless babble. 

[Adamant]

7 minutes ago, zen said:

 

No one cares for whatever that group is. Many even spam on twitter exposing Ind's half baked knowledge on stats and sports. 

Random statement. 

7 minutes ago, zen said:

 

Random statement.

 

 

Random statement, when the guy has shown great performances in many formats including tests and odis 

 

The guy hasn't played a test since last three years lol, his test career is on life support. 

Let's not even discuss the premier format when analysing players lik Pandya. 

 

7 minutes ago, zen said:

 

The guy actually has a test 100, which you may not know about. 

Good for him, one test hundred means squat. 

7 minutes ago, zen said:

Please do not quote me with meaningless babble. 

Please use your brain next time before claiming that an 11(8) innings was the best innings from Indian side. 

I can't control myself from quoting someone when I see such trash analysis.