Multi skilled players T20 11

[zen]

A half hit SDP out batted the Tuk Tuk brigade in the games v seeded teams in the group

[Pollack]

It is not tuk tuk brigade vs Pandya. Every non casual cricket fan is frustrated by tuk tuk brigade of Rohit and Kohli.  That doesn't  mean Pandya isn't sh!t. Pandya is a sh!t batsman who cannot bat and due to injury he cannot bowl. So he is useless as simple as that. Need to work on his fitness, improve his batting and then come back.

[zen]

9 minutes ago, Pollack said:

Pandya is a sh!t batsman who cannot bat.

A fiction created by those with a limited depth on cricket and fed to other such like minded groups. 
 

Best Ind batsmen v seeded teams 

MoS in Aus 

2 90s in Aus ODIs. Avg of 100+ when the next best avg was in the 50s 

and so on 

 

 

[Khota]

13 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

Another Pandya thread. 

 

He is not a multi skilled player. 

 

Bats like tail ender. Hardly bowls. 

But what about his aura? That has to count for something.

[Khota]

19 hours ago, zen said:

I posted a a multi-skilled 11, where 10 players have the ability to both bat and ball and one WK AR, somewhere but liked the idea so will do a dedicated topic on it. 

 

Pros: 

• If the team wants, no bowler needs to bowl for more than 2 overs 
• A major T20 tournament can be won by big hitting lower middle order. If we have more such players at various spots, it increases the chances of more of such players having a great tournament and/or contributing in some random order, increasing tournament winning capabilities 
• Specialist can be considered for a couple of spots if they bring in pace bowling skills and/or 360 degrees batting abilities 
• Teams like Eng play many such players 

 

Based on these criteria, below is the such an 11: 

 

• Kishan/KL/Pant/Samson (wk)
• V Iyer - can bowl  
• Jaiswal - can bowl leg (but may need to improve his bowling)
• Sundar - can bowl off-spin in PPs too 
• SDP (c)
• Jadeja 
• Samad - needs to improve his bowling 
• Tewatia - bowls leg spin 
• Thakur - if bowling well 
• Harshal 
• D Chahar 

 

Other options

• Axar
• Dube
• Krunal
• Unadkat - threw his hat in "the bowler who could bat too" ring
• and so on 

 

 

Specialist players that can be considered include: 

• Bumrah for pace
• Malik for pace
• Siraj for swing 
• Natrajan for yorkers 
• Tyagi for pace
• SKY for 360 degrees batting abilities 

 

 

When someone spends this kind of time writing vs about multi skilled players I only draw one conclusion. They have no idea what competitive sports is and are clueless about anything but cricket. Open your eyes and smell the coffee.

[zen]

4 minutes ago, Khota said:

When someone spends this kind of time writing vs about multi skilled players I only draw one conclusion. They have no idea what competitive sports is and are clueless about anything but cricket. Open your eyes and smell the coffee.

Follow your own advise!

[Khota]

Just now, zen said:

Follow your own advise!

Coffee smells good.

[zen]

11 hours ago, Vk1 said:

Eng are doing this already.. except for Malan/Bairstow everyone else has a second skill 

Even Aus where we see Marsh, Maxwell, & Stonis who all bowl , Cummins, Starc, etc., can bat … Wade is a good as well … Smith used to bowl too 

 

And we will see more multi skilled players come in future 

[Serpico]

1 hour ago, zen said:

Best Ind batsmen v seeded teams 

Best Indian batsman against Afghanistan. Did jack sht against the top teams in the group. He cannot hit fast bowlers, which means his limit is medium pacers of Afghanistan, Namibia, Bangladesh and so on. 

 

Now before you go on a tirade about his heroics in a pointless bilateral series last year, keep in mind he scored those runs against Maxwell, zampa and Hazelwood. He scored 24(27) against Cummins and 15(16) against Starc in that legendary series. He came in when fast bowlers finished their beginning spells, milked the spinners and part timers, managed to score some boundaries against Hazelwood and tuk tuked against Cummins and Starc. That is not quality. If he had to open the batting and face 10 overs of cummins and starc, he would have swung and miss a bunch of times and got out. He struggled to even put bat on ball against rauf and Shaheen and could only score boundaries through bottom edges and overthrows. 

 

Stop trying to use silly filters and hype up a minnow bashing hack, you can open hundred threads to slyly hype pandya and still convince absolutely zero people that he was good in this wc. He was a failure like all other Indian batsman, accept the reality and move on

 

[zen]

9 minutes ago, Serpico said:

Best Indian batsman against Afghanistan. Did jack sht against the top teams in the group. He cannot hit fast bowlers, which means his limit is medium pacers of Afghanistan, Namibia, Bangladesh and so on. 

 

 

That is not true ... 

 

Highest SR v Pak for Ind. Walked in and took 17 off Afridi including creating pressure for overthrows

 

Steadied ship v NZ ... Came in at 48/4 and then again had to rebuild at 70/5 

 

35 off 13 v AFG 

[Serpico]

5 minutes ago, zen said:

Steadied ship v NZ ... Came in at 48/4 and then again had to rebuild at 70/5 

Since when did you start valuing steadying ship in T20s? Kohli steadied the ship against Pakistan and even scored a 50, why isn't he considered successful? 

 

Counting overthrows as batsmans talent is the most inane argument you made so far, I sincerely hope you are trolling for the sake of your sanity

[Serpico]

7 minutes ago, zen said:

Highest SR v Pak for Ind

Surya Kumar scored exact same 11(8) in that match but I don't see you singing any praises for him. Just another example of your pathetic analysis

[zen]

Just now, Serpico said:

Since when did you start valuing steadying ship in T20s? Kohli steadied the ship against Pakistan and even scored a 50, why isn't he considered successful? 

 

 

Kohli played 49 balls ... He had Pant with him too ... when Pant joined he was around 20 off 18 ... In the next 29 balls, he scored only 37, SR 127

 

 

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Counting overthrows as batsmans talent is the most inane argument you made so far, I sincerely hope you are trolling for the sake of your sanity

 

We are not discussing career stats but just the inning ... If a batsman plays 4 balls where he gets 2 4s of leg byes for e.g, hits a 4 and gets out ... Ppl would see cheer it as 12 off 4 balls not as 4 off 4, crediting the batsman 

[zen]

7 minutes ago, Serpico said:

Surya Kumar scored exact same 11(8) in that match but I don't see you singing any praises for him. Just another example of your pathetic analysis

 

Because he had the opportunity to play a lot of balls early on with Ind having tons of wkts in hand ... SDP came in with only a few balls to go, no time to pick and choose balls, and hardly any wkts remaining 

[Serpico]

1 minute ago, zen said:

 

Because he had the opportunity to play a lot of balls early on with Ind having tons of wkts in hand ... SDP came in with only a few balls to go, no time to pick and choose balls, and hardly any wkts remaining 

And when he did come in early with lot of balls remaining, he played tuk tuk. Only one T20 plater in the world is allowed to steady the innings as per the zen master.

 

3 minutes ago, zen said:

Kohli played 49 balls ... He had Pant with him too ... when Pant joined he was around 20 off 18 ... In the next 29 balls, he scored only 37, SR 127

Pandya and Jadeja played in similar situation, pandya striked at 95 while jadeja striked at 137(which I still consider a ooor innings btw). Ofcourse only pandya gets credit again.

 

If Pandya playes tuk tuk innings, only talk about steadying the ship in that match. If pandya manages to bottom edge a boundary, only talk abt sr in that match, even if its inconsequential 11(8). Call this quality analysis and open dozen threads about this 

[zen]

5 minutes ago, Serpico said:

And when he did come in early with lot of balls remaining, he played tuk tuk. Only one T20 plater in the world is allowed to steady the innings as per the zen master.

 

Pandya and Jadeja played in similar situation, pandya striked at 95 while jadeja striked at 137(which I still consider a ooor innings btw). Ofcourse only pandya gets credit again.

 

If Pandya playes tuk tuk innings, only talk about steadying the ship in that match. If pandya manages to bottom edge a boundary, only talk abt sr in that match, even if its inconsequential 11(8). Call this quality analysis and open dozen threads about this 

 

Well if you are the last remaining batsman coming in at 48/4 and then have to rebuild at 70/5, you can't fault the player ... Would I have liked if SDP had scored 100 off 24, yes? Was what it did in those circumstances bad, no? Saying not bad does not equal giving credit!