Slow Over-rates and extending play in tests

[Vk1]

these two have to be seriously looked into by ICC.. why penalize teams for slow overrate in this era of fast bowling pitches.. do you want to kill the game by going back to slow low pitches where nothing happens and even part time spinners can bowl maidens? why are you forcing teams to pick second grade spinners in SENA like Leach/Maharaj?  I am sure teams wouldn't pick them if there were no slow overrate concerns.. Impose penalties if teams fall too short but why do that even if they fall short by 3/4 overs? would spectators and tv audience like an engrossing day of 85 overs or a boring day of 90 overs where spinners try to finish their quota just for the sake of it?

 

And when overs are lost due to rain why are they allowing only an extra half an hour.. why not make teams play an hour extra which might help the game in getting a decisive result? why seeing rules from fitness standards of 1980s/90s when modern day players are miles ahead from that era? 

 

 

[sarcastic]

I think spinners are also an integral and important part of a test attack.

Saying only fast bowling is good and spin bowling is boring is overstating the fact and I don't buy that argument. 

I agree though that we need good spin bowlers to keep the test entertaining. So, don't blame spin bowling just because current teams are not able to produce good spinners. And don't blame ICC or adminstrators for this.

I would definitely want to see as many as 90 overs in a day and I want them riveting too. I don't mind seeing more overs too in a day but less overs means, as a fan, I lost out on some of the action I paid for. 

[Vk1]

On 1/7/2022 at 12:46 PM, sarcastic said:

I think spinners are also an integral and important part of a test attack.

Saying only fast bowling is good and spin bowling is boring is overstating the fact and I don't buy that argument. 

I agree though that we need good spin bowlers to keep the test entertaining. So, don't blame spin bowling just because current teams are not able to produce good spinners. And don't blame ICC or adminstrators for this.

I would definitely want to see as many as 90 overs in a day and I want them riveting too. I don't mind seeing more overs too in a day but less overs means, as a fan, I lost out on some of the action I paid for. 

Spinners are definitely important and subcontinent wickets are there for them to exploit and do well.. but the point is about forcing the captains to pick a lone spinner to get better at overrates on juicy bouncy pitches where fast bowlers are suited to bowl most of the overs 

Edited January 9, 2022 by Vk1

[Trichromatic]

Cricket is way too slow game and wastes lot of time.

 

Why are teams being forced to pick spinners. Why can't they complete overs quickly with pacers? Is it really impossible.

 

First Ashes test. Starc got wicket off first ball of the match and players were out on the field with drinks.

 

That's bizzare. Why do players need drinks just after 1 ball in the match?

 

Be it spinners or pacers, a lot of time is wasted in cricket. Players should be hurrying up and move faster.

[Trichromatic]

1 hour ago, Vk1 said:

Spinners are definitely important and subcontinent wickets are there for them to exploit and do well.. but the point is about forcing the captains to pick a lone spinner to get better at overrates on juicy bouncy pitches where fast bowlers are suited to bowl most of the overs 

 

What is stopping captains from completing overs on juicy bouncy tracks?

 

Problem is that captains don't want to cut down rest time of pacers.

 

They want luxury of having conference meetings between the match to make decisions. 

[Trichromatic]

- A timer, to be shown on the scoreboard, to count down from 45 seconds from the call of "Over". (This would be increased to 60 seconds for a new batsman on strike and 80 seconds for a change of bowler). If either side is not ready to play when the clock reaches zero, they would receive a warning, with further infringements in that innings resulting in five Penalty runs being awarded to the opposition. This is consistent with Laws 41.9 (Time wasting by the fielding side) and 41.10 (Batsman wasting time).

- A similar timer to be used at the fall of wickets, potentially with variable times, depending on the distance from the dressing rooms to the pitch, and at drinks breaks. Batsmen and fielders should be in position before the clock reaches zero.

- During DRS reviews, the standard protocol should be cut short as soon as the TV production team is aware that it will be Not out. For example, time is often spent trying to discern an inside edge for LBWs, only to see, for example, that the ball was missing the stumps. As soon as the ball tracking has been loaded, if it will result in a Not out decision, the TV umpire should be informed immediately.

https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cricket/story/mcc-world-cricket-committee-icc-time-clock-free-hits-test-cricket-1476766-2019-03-13

[rollingstoned]

14 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

What is stopping captains from completing overs on juicy bouncy tracks?

 

Problem is that captains don't want to cut down rest time of pacers.

 

They want luxury of having conference meetings between the match to make decisions. 

Teams have gotten bad at getting through their overs only recently and want to include a spinner for that purpose. It's all hogwash as we saw in the first test from saf who had a very good over rate even without bowling spinners. 

It never used to be a problem previously from what I understand. 

 

[Trichromatic]

Just now, rollingstoned said:

Teams have gotten bad at getting through their overs only recently and want to include a spinner for that purpose. It's all hogwash as we saw in the first test from saf who had a very good over rate even without bowling spinners. 

It never used to be a problem previously from what I understand. 

 

 

Someone like Kohli takes lot of time to make decisions on field. 

 

Normally the over rates are - 14-15 per hour for pacers and 18-20 per hour for spinners.

 

Delays are caused mostly by indecision - where captains are not "skilled" enough to make decisions quickly. So the over rate of pacers reduces to 13-14 and they need spinner to make up for that.

 

Additionally delays are also caused in scenario where teams are not doing well and want to slow down things. 

[rollingstoned]

4 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Someone like Kohli takes lot of time to make decisions on field. 

 

Normally the over rates are - 14-15 per hour for pacers and 18-20 per hour for spinners.

 

Delays are caused mostly by indecision - where captains are not "skilled" enough to make decisions quickly. So the over rate of pacers reduces to 13-14 and they need spinner to make up for that.

 

Additionally delays are also caused in scenario where teams are not doing well and want to slow down things. 

13-14 overs in an hour bowling only pacers is an exception rather than the norm nowadays. If that was happening consistently it wouldn't even be a problem. 

[Trichromatic]

On 1/7/2022 at 10:21 PM, Vk1 said:

these two have to be seriously looked into by ICC.. why penalize teams for slow overrate in this era of fast bowling pitches.. do you want to kill the game by going back to slow low pitches where nothing happens and even part time spinners can bowl maidens? why are you forcing teams to pick second grade spinners in SENA like Leach/Maharaj?  I am sure teams wouldn't pick them if there were no slow overrate concerns.. Impose penalties if teams fall too short but why do that even if they fall short by 3/4 overs? would spectators and tv audience like an engrossing day of 85 overs or a boring day of 90 overs where spinners try to finish their quota just for the sake of it?

 

And when overs are lost due to rain why are they allowing only an extra half an hour.. why not make teams play an hour extra which might help the game in getting a decisive result? why seeing rules from fitness standards of 1980s/90s when modern day players are miles ahead from that era? 

 

 

 

If modern day players are miles ahead in fitness, then why aren't they able to complete 15 overs in an hour?

[Vk1]

3 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

 

If modern day players are miles ahead in fitness, then why aren't they able to complete 15 overs in an hour?

one reason I can think of is scoring rates.. even on sporting pitches batsman look for scoring options causing delays.. iirc from highlight reels of 80s scorecards rpo used to be between 2-1.5 and rarey touched 3rpo  I guess.. now it is above 3.25 on majority of days big jump I think.. 

[Trichromatic]

27 minutes ago, Vk1 said:

one reason I can think of is scoring rates.. even on sporting pitches batsman look for scoring options causing delays.. iirc from highlight reels of 80s scorecards rpo used to be between 2-1.5 and rarey touched 3rpo  I guess.. now it is above 3.25 on majority of days big jump I think.. 

 

This is where problem lies.

 

Is there any data or analysis which will show what is the reason for slow over rates?

 

Possible factors affecting overrates (better or worse):

1. 5 pacers

2. Indecisiveness of captains

3. Scoring rates

4. Fitness levels

5. Stricter rules

6. Implementation of rules

 

What is the contribution of each of those factors will give us exact idea and then maybe we have opinion about solution. Right now it's just individual opinion without any analysis.

 

[vvvslaxman]

Jadeja takes about 2 or 3  minutes to complete an over if there are no runs. In SENA once you get a sense that pitch has flattened out you use a spinner from one end and rotate the seamers from the other end. Root is under fire for overusing injury prone Mark wood in the 2nd innings of Australia. If there are no spinners use a part timer.