U19 World Cup Discussion

[Vijy]

Just now, Jay said:

Dravid will pick ravi bawa. Mouth watering trundler.

needs to change surname first. only kumars allowed. vinny kumar, boobi kumar, ravi kumar, and praveen kumar - like voltron, the ultimate defender, they will combine to yield the ultimate trundler, who shall be named kumar kumar

[AKane]

1 hour ago, Vijy said:

needs to change surname first. only kumars allowed. vinny kumar, boobi kumar, ravi kumar, and praveen kumar - like voltron, the ultimate defender, they will combine to yield the ultimate trundler, who shall be named kumar kumar

 

Should not be a hard exercise. I mean if Yusuf Khan can become Dilip Kumar or Mahjabeen Bano can become Meena Kumari..... it should be easy to become Kartik Kumar or Ravi Kumar.

Edited January 23, 2022 by AKane

[Vijy]

6 minutes ago, AKane said:

 

Should not be a hard exercise. I mean if Yusuf Khan can become Dilip Kumar or Mahjabeen Bano can become Meena Kumari..... it should be easy to become Kartik Kumar or Ravi Kumar.

indeed, a much smaller name change required.

[rkt.india]

4 hours ago, Mesky99 said:

They leap forward, hangagarekar jumps in the air just like dinda.

Arey forward to jata hi hai. Brett Lee had similar leap high in the air.

[rkt.india]

2 hours ago, Jay said:

128-135 for under 19 if they are really under 19 is very very impressive. In 2 or 3 years he can get to 140 plus.

135kph pe wicket keeper 20 yards back nahi hoga like for Hangargekar.

[Jay]

27 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

135kph pe wicket keeper 20 yards back nahi hoga like for Hangargekar.

So you are saying he is hitting 140? He legit looks quick. I am very dubious about vats speed too. Vasu vats looks very quick. No way he is just 130. He loons 135 plus easily. Beautiful run up and action. He is a strong well built lad.

[Vijy]

Just now, Jay said:

So you are saying he is hitting 140? He legit looks quick. I am very dubious about vats speed too. Vasu vats looks very quick. No way he is just 130. He loons 135 plus easily. Beautiful run up and action. He is a strong well built lad.

speed guns in both indian domestics and U19 are visually at least 5 kph slower than int'l speeds

[nsareen]

I personally don’t feel the speedguns would be way off.. maybe by 2-3 kph , but not a great deal.. these are kids and bowling 135+ takes a lot of strength when the body has not yet developed.. so they are doing great for the age and when these kids grow up, they maybe able to add a few kms to their speed naturally..


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[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

So you are saying he is hitting 140? He legit looks quick. I am very dubious about vats speed too. Vasu vats looks very quick. No way he is just 130. He loons 135 plus easily. Beautiful run up and action. He is a strong well built lad.

Bhai, even Doull in first game said he is bowling early 140s. Look at how ball flies through on that slow pitch. I don't believe he isnt bowling as quick as Mavi, Nagarkoti or even tyagi. No batsman get hurried at 135kph these days, not even u19. 

 

I remember Khaleel and Shubham Mavi bowling 130-135 in 2016 u19 wc and they weren't hurrying anyone.

Edited January 23, 2022 by rkt.india

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, nsareen said:

I personally don’t feel the speedguns would be way off.. maybe by 2-3 kph , but not a great deal.. these are kids and bowling 135+ takes a lot of strength when the body has not yet developed.. so they are doing great for the age and when these kids grow up, they maybe able to add a few kms to their speed naturally..


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If Mavi Nagarkoti Kartik can bowl 145 at 19, why not Hangargekar. Hangargekar looks a strong lad. It's not just about speed readings but how he hurries batsmen repeatedly. Do you think he is bowling Bhuvi speed of 135?

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, Vijy said:

speed guns in both indian domestics and U19 are visually at least 5 kph slower than int'l speeds

Can't put a certain number but they certainly didn't seem accurate at least I this game. 

[nsareen]

If Mavi Nagarkoti Kartik can bowl 145 at 19, why not Hangargekar. Hangargekar looks a strong lad. It's not just about speed readings but how he hurries batsmen repeatedly. Do you think he is bowling Bhuvi speed of 135?

i feel guns vary due to conditions , australia typically has fast pitches unlike west indies..

Even though you see the ball carry through to the keeper, it’s due to the bounce & not necessarily high pace.

Bhuvi is average 128, Hangargekar might be average 133-135, quickest 141 types.. on very fast pitches he maybe able to touch 90mph, but that’s saying a really fast pitch..

I did say earlier he was recorded 135 in india by his coaches, so if he can get to 140 on these guns that’s a big improvement, not to say he cannot add 4-5kph when he grows a bit more in a couple of years & stays fit..


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[vvvslaxman]

If you have a strong middle order/lower order odds of putting up a good score regardless of collapses will be higher. Today India was like 59 or something by 14th over. Ended up with 405 runs. Most of the weak bowlers bowl in the middle overs. India targeted them very well.

[vvvslaxman]

Good ball striking by Raj bawa. Hitting all around the wicket. Good balance, swing, bat speed.

 

 

https://www.icc-cricket.com/video/2459016

 

[Dery]

Meanwhile 18 yo Cummins was bowling at 145kph while we are satisfied at 130-135 kph

[rkt.india]

25 minutes ago, Dery said:

Meanwhile 18 yo Cummins was bowling at 145kph while we are satisfied at 130-135 kph

18 year Nagarkoti bowled 149

[Mesky99]

11 hours ago, rkt.india said:

If Mavi Nagarkoti Kartik can bowl 145 at 19, why not Hangargekar. Hangargekar looks a strong lad. It's not just about speed readings but how he hurries batsmen repeatedly. Do you think he is bowling Bhuvi speed of 135?

Karthik and nagarkoti both are had great actions in terms of technical aspects, they were well coached, rajvardhan slows down just before his jump and hangs in the air for to long. 

 

[rkt.india]

23 minutes ago, Mesky99 said:

Karthik and nagarkoti both are had great actions in terms of technical aspects, they were well coached, rajvardhan slows down just before his jump and hangs in the air for to long. 

 

Technical aspects are just one part. They don't make anyone bowl quick. Pace is natural thing. It cannot be taught. Technical aspects cannot make you bowl quick. People spread a lot of rubbish in the garb of technical aspects. Technical aspects can help you maximize your pace ceiling. That's it. A 90 mph bowler is born with pace. On visual cue, Hangargekar doesn't look any slower than Kartik, Nagarkoti. The biggest cue for me is where the wk stands and how ball flies through after hitting the bat or thick edges.

[First class]

4 hours ago, Mesky99 said:

Karthik and nagarkoti both are had great actions in terms of technical aspects, they were well coached, rajvardhan slows down just before his jump and hangs in the air for to long. 

 

No one is perfect but this young man has enough talent to play for India in 2-3 years . His runup is not like Styne or Waqar but he is well built and has good height and will not be a trundler , is lively enough to trouble the batsmen if he learned other tricks of a good fast bowler also , particularly swing. Tyagi , in my opinion has been the best fast bowler came through under 19 circuit for India in last 2-3 WCs, but physically he is not that strong, not like this lad. 

[Vijy]

14 hours ago, rkt.india said:

18 year Nagarkoti bowled 149

yes, he was just a shade below 150 on his fastest ball. I remember thinking at that time that he could hit 155-156 kph as peak speed when he was in early or mid 20s. sadly, that will probably not come to pass given how his career has nosedived after injuries.