Why do we need Kohli in T20s?

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

Uss logic se to sachin also shudnt have played 2011 wc post 2007 debacle

UAE wasnt home 

 

In t20 past form actually doesnt matter, Aus came with 5 continuous series loss in last Wc and won

 

 

the 1st question is who are ur best players of pace n bounce - he is among them , 2nd shud be who plays hard length best - he is the best

IF ur taking numbers, well lets take dhawan also since he has done well in aus in t20s. The question shud be who are ur best players of pace n bounce 

Also kohli avg 64 in aus with s/r of 144 .........NZ n SA ka kya krna 

 

 

 

Don't think they will bowl bouncers to Kohli. They will just bowl a 6th stump line he will edge one or bowl a leggie he will sky one. 

[vvvslaxman]

Imad wasim vs Kohli is something we should prepared ourselves not Starc vs Kohli.  We don't play Australia in Australia. Other teams. England has an uber average pace bowling attack without Archer. 

[Chakdephatte]

If you believe Iyer will do better than Kohli in Aus based on his performance against Lankans at home, the joke is on you.

 

Agree that Kohli can be dropped in other conditions. Also, he has no point playing T20Is after this year.

Edited February 28, 2022 by Chakdephatte

[Chakdephatte]

8 hours ago, Adamant said:

There's not a single batsman in the history of world cricket without a weakness apart from Bradman. 

 

Bradman was bang average by today's standards. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

16 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Wasn't he getting out in SA chasing 6th stump, 7th stump line. It doesn't matter. We didn't carry  tendulkar, Dravid anyone to 2007 world cup. Backed a bunch of rookies. Guess what. That was the only time we won the world T20. After that we went with experience. Every single time we got our ass kicked. Playing for so many years, KOhli is a predictable batsman. It is not very difficult for opposition to tie him down at one end.

is it something to diff to curb ??? no 

With so much info around everyone is predictable 

 

2007 youngsters , i have said many times was a  myth we had enough experience in that team . Dravid tendulkar was as inexperience as anyone coz t20 was new 

Tendulkar also played many wcs before landing one . Last Wc or last series or Last IPL wont matter............all mattes u need to find best player for conditions n then shortlist acc to format n number of other things

This past Wc logic actually shud only apply to rohit coz he did jack **** in any , kohli played well in many.....we didnt loose coz of kohli the batsman. Even in pakistan game he scored rest no one did 

 

IF ur example is SA - how the hell is iyer in ur team and not to forget what happ to him in Aus . 

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Imad wasim vs Kohli is something we should prepared ourselves not Starc vs Kohli.  We don't play Australia in Australia. Other teams. England has an uber average pace bowling attack without Archer. 

Roy has struggled against imad wasim most,  shud England drop him? Infact left arm spin is roy biggest issue 

Babar n rizwan both have huge issues against left arm spin

Also iyer has massive issue against quick wrist spin and every team has got one quality one - he is in ur team 

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Imad wasim vs Kohli is something we should prepared ourselves not Starc vs Kohli.  We don't play Australia in Australia. Other teams. England has an uber average pace bowling attack without Archer. 

Roy has struggled against imad wasim most,  shud England drop him? Infact left arm spin is roy biggest issue 

Babar n rizwan both have huge issues against left arm spin

Also iyer has massive issue against quick wrist spin and every team has got one quality one - he is in ur team 

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Don't think they will bowl bouncers to Kohli. They will just bowl a 6th stump line he will edge one or bowl a leggie he will sky one. 

kohli wud know more then us , that where u have batsman on other end to help u- pant n sky are their

come middle over every team has to use hard lengths and 6th 7th stump line doesnt matter in t20 after intial overs coz u dnt keep slips. In ODI and test u can keep for longer

[Ankit_sharma03]

8 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

If you believe Iyer will do better than Kohli in Aus based on his performance against Lankans at home, the joke is on you.

 

Exactly

 

8 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

Agree that Kohli can be dropped in other conditions. Also, he has no point playing T20Is after this year.

Rohit, Kohli both but in Aus we need our best players of fast bowling and they both are 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

13 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Don't think they will bowl bouncers to Kohli. They will just bowl a 6th stump line he will edge one or bowl a leggie he will sky one. 

N this 6th stump line problem has been their from 2014, nothing new 

Leg spin issues is something thats also with rohit kl shreyas samson ....again nothing new with kohli. 

[vvvslaxman]

7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

is it something to diff to curb ??? no 

With so much info around everyone is predictable 

 

2007 youngsters , i have said many times was a  myth we had enough experience in that team . Dravid tendulkar was as inexperience as anyone coz t20 was new 

Tendulkar also played many wcs before landing one . Last Wc or last series or Last IPL wont matter............all mattes u need to find best player for conditions n then shortlist acc to format n number of other things

This past Wc logic actually shud only apply to rohit coz he did jack **** in any , kohli played well in many.....we didnt loose coz of kohli the batsman. Even in pakistan game he scored rest no one did 

 

IF ur example is SA - how the hell is iyer in ur team and not to forget what happ to him in Aus . 

 

Why did Kohli fail against new zealand then?  Scoring 9 run sin 17 balls. We don't want Rohit either. But he is the captain. No choice. India should send a brand new combo if possible.. Yes he has some game left. Possibly the best time to hang his boots. You would rather want to finish your Test career on a high note rather than t20 career. 

[Suhaan]

I will endorse any youngster playing for Kohli but Iyer

He's will be taken out when the opposition wishes to, he's that bad against pace and juice

Tactically sides will keep him without bearing any damage for majority of overs and will send him back to pavilion when the need arrives by bowling just short into his body,when he's uber limited batsmen hyped to the galaxies  ever to play for India

Edited February 28, 2022 by Suhaan

[ShoonyaSifar]

4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

Uss logic se to sachin also shudnt have played 2011 wc post 2007 debacle

UAE wasnt home 

 

In t20 past form actually doesnt matter, Aus came with 5 continuous series loss in last Wc and won

 

 

the 1st question is who are ur best players of pace n bounce - he is among them , 2nd shud be who plays hard length best - he is the best

IF ur taking numbers, well lets take dhawan also since he has done well in aus in t20s. The question shud be who are ur best players of pace n bounce 

Also kohli avg 64 in aus with s/r of 144 .........NZ n SA ka kya krna 

 

 

Sachin was the ONLY senior (35+) playing in that WC squad. Ganguly, Dravid, VVS none of them were considered despite all being great players of spin for a WC which was to be in held in India. Instead younger Gambhir and Kohli were picked and backed. Thankfully no one looked at player X performance vs leg spin, off spin, degree of turn and  soil mixture. Simple logic of most seniors barring Sachin not fitting into the scheme of things and therefore being dropped

 

Likewise, for a T20 WC to be held in Aus, we shouldn't pick players in decline based on how they great they have been in the past vs pace. Else, like you say Dhawan should be in the squad. Thankfully he is not nor should Kohli (or even Rohit but being the captain he gets in).

 

In any case, I've already said this, will keep reiterating if even two out of Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli play in either of the next 2 WCs, we are NOT winning the trophy.

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

8 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Why did Kohli fail against new zealand then?  Scoring 9 run sin 17 balls. We don't want Rohit either. But he is the captain. No choice. India should send a brand new combo if possible.. Yes he has some game left. Possibly the best time to hang his boots. You would rather want to finish your Test career on a high note rather than t20 career. 

why cant kohli fail, in a long career players will fail . Great players avg 50 which means they fail half careers.

How come warner failed pre wc but scored in Wc, how come yuvi was struggling with form pre 2011 wc n scored. Form can change 

Brand new combo - only when u find right players, dnt change coz u want to change. Swing to koi nhin khel sakta n naye men mostly hard length high pace pe adhe nhin khel sakte 

[Jay]

7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

why cant kohli fail, in a long career players will fail . Great players avg 50 which means they fail half careers.

How come warner failed pre wc but scored in Wc, how come yuvi was struggling with form pre 2011 wc n scored. Form can change 

Brand new combo - only when u find right players, dnt change coz u want to change. Swing to koi nhin khel sakta n naye men mostly hard length high pace pe adhe nhin khel sakte 

Kohli is not Warner and neither is he yuvi. Both are known to be match winners. Kohli is known to be a oh wait that's in tests and odi. In t20 I agree he has done well but he has lost his power game and looks weak a f. So no thanks 

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Sachin was the ONLY senior (35+) playing in that WC squad. Ganguly, Dravid, VVS none of them were considered despite all being great players of spin for a WC which was to be in held in India. Instead younger Gambhir and Kohli were picked and backed. Thankfully no one looked at player X performance vs leg spin, off spin, degree of turn and  soil mixture. Simple logic of most seniors barring Sachin not fitting into the scheme of things and therefore being dropped

 

Age is a number thats it 

Younger players were better, find me better players of pace , bounce n hard length then kohli, rohit n KL . 

 

• Ohh yes players players performance were looked at- dhoni played with gambhir on A tours so he knew he was a damn good player of spin
• Kohli was never part of plan but he scored so much that it was impossible to drop him

Also btw ,Kohli is just 33 (absolutely fine age),

• warner last yr was 34 and won a WC
• Sachin was 37 in 2011
• Gilly 36 in 2007 won wc
• hayden 36 in 2007 won wc 
• mcgrath 37 won wc in 2007
• brad hogg 36 won wc in 2007 
• dilshan 34 in 2011 Wc finalist and then played 2015 Wc at 38
• murali 38 in 2011 wc
• jayasuria 37 in 2007 wc (finalist)

 

IF i start digging every Wc it will not end , so give this age logic to some armature 

 

3 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Likewise, for a T20 WC to be held in Aus, we shouldn't pick players in decline based on how they great they have been in the past vs pace. Else, like you say Dhawan should be in the squad. Thankfully he is not nor should Kohli (or even Rohit but being the captain he gets in).

 

First thing i dnt think kohli is at decline just some technical issues which has been talked about by most expert

Even his decline is better then most of these new kids whose weakness i cant stop counting and ppl count 2-3 weakness of kohli 

 

3 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

In any case, I've already said this, will keep reiterating if even two out of Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli play in either of the next 2 WCs, we are NOT winning the trophy.

 

n im saying this we ll win 1 or both wc with same set of players

Only reason we lost last Wc kohli was a terrible captaim 

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 minutes ago, Jay said:

Kohli is not Warner and neither is he yuvi. Both are known to be match winners. Kohli is known to be a oh wait that's in tests and odi. In t20 I agree he has done well but he has lost his power game and looks weak a f. So no thanks 

kohli is a far better player then warner and yuvi 

Kohli isnt a match winner , the man who singlehandedly took this team ahead in 3 t20 Wc

 

He has done well, record dekh uska .  Lost power game ...........hahaha 

[Jay]

10 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

kohli is a far better player then warner and yuvi 

Kohli isnt a match winner , the man who singlehandedly took this team ahead in 3 t20 Wc

 

He has done well, record dekh uska .  Lost power game ...........hahaha 

Yes let's keep living in the past. That will take us far I am certain. Kohli is the answer to all our problems clearly. Granted iyer isn't the answer either with his weak short ball game. We need someone better. His name ain't kohli though. 

 

What so lousy match losing 50 vs pakistan is supposed to make him some sort of goat now. What about the game vs nz in t20. 

[vvvslaxman]

2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

why cant kohli fail, in a long career players will fail . Great players avg 50 which means they fail half careers.

How come warner failed pre wc but scored in Wc, how come yuvi was struggling with form pre 2011 wc n scored. Form can change 

Brand new combo - only when u find right players, dnt change coz u want to change. Swing to koi nhin khel sakta n naye men mostly hard length high pace pe adhe nhin khel sakte 

 

That is third failure against new zealand in a knock out. If you combine Test championship performances,  T20 world cup matches, ODI world cup matches Kohli's performance against NZ 11 innings averaging 14.90.  Should we drop him in world cup matches against NZ as he doesn't seem to handle any of their bowlers Boult, Jameson, Southee, Sodhi. And there is always a random leggie from other country that can trouble him. 

 

KOhli is yet to play a single world T20 match outside Asia. This will be the first time. Let us see his  game against hard lengths, left armer swinging into him, leg spinner turning away, off spinner turning in.

[Jay]

35 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

That is third failure against new zealand in a knock out. If you combine Test championship performances,  T20 world cup matches, ODI world cup matches Kohli's performance against NZ 11 innings averaging 14.90.  Should we drop him in world cup matches against NZ as he doesn't seem to handle any of their bowlers Boult, Jameson, Southee, Sodhi. And there is always a random leggie from other country that can trouble him. 

 

KOhli is yet to play a single world T20 match outside Asia. This will be the first time. Let us see his  game against hard lengths, left armer swinging into him, leg spinner turning away, off spinner turning in.

Johnson knocked him over in 2015 too.