Is Aussie spin bowling cupboard empty?

[Texan]

Lyon looks done and dusted. He is averaging 52 this year so far and averaged 36 last year. Swepson doesn't appear to have a decent domestic record. Agar also has a terrible FC record. Do they have any prospects or are they going to rely only on their quicks now?

[Serpico]

Even lyon averages mid 30s in Sheffield shield. They are just not ideal conditions for budding spinners

 

Stepson might be quality, lets judge him after the sri Lanka and india series

[vvvslaxman]

Lyon has done more than required for his side. They are not expected to be their match winners. He has caused enough problems for us to help them win.  Also never write off spinners early in their career. Warne was a laughing stock in his first Test

[Majestic]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

Lyon has done more than required for his side. They are not expected to be their match winners. He has caused enough problems for us to help them win.  Also never write off spinners early in their career. Warne was a laughing stock in his first Test

What problem has Lyon caused is? We have always dominated Lyon. Sydney and Gabba, he just couldn't close it off and we wrote history there.

[vvvslaxman]

15 minutes ago, Majestic said:

What problem has Lyon caused is? We have always dominated Lyon. Sydney and Gabba, he just couldn't close it off and we wrote history there.

 

Didn't he take like 8 for 71 in India?

[Majestic]

54 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Didn't he take like 8 for 71 in India?

In a game that India won on a turning wicket. 

[sensible-indian]

4 hours ago, Majestic said:

What problem has Lyon caused is? We have always dominated Lyon. Sydney and Gabba, he just couldn't close it off and we wrote history there.

Lyon almost helped Aus win a series in India in 2017.

 

It was incredible resistance by KL, Pujara and Rahane in Bangalore which brought us back into the game.

 

Even 2018 series, Lyon was posing all sorts of issues before Mayank destroyed him which led to other batsmen doing well against Lyon too.

 

He had his ups and downs against India.

[Majestic]

1 hour ago, sensible-indian said:

Lyon almost helped Aus win a series in India in 2017.

 

It was incredible resistance by KL, Pujara and Rahane in Bangalore which brought us back into the game.

 

Even 2018 series, Lyon was posing all sorts of issues before Mayank destroyed him which led to other batsmen doing well against Lyon too.

 

He had his ups and downs against India.

The standout man in that series was S Smith.

 

Lyon did okay, nothing special. Offeeke also got a 7-fer in first test.

[Serpico]

6 hours ago, Majestic said:

What problem has Lyon caused is? We have always dominated Lyon. Sydney and Gabba, he just couldn't close it off and we wrote history there.

He took an 8fer in Adelaide and won the match in 2014. Even in 2018 perth, he was their best bowler. Did well in 2017 series. He has good record against India, all things considered

[Clarke]

What's the expectation here, he'll trouble Pak on their pattas ? Doubt any current spinner could do that. 

[sensible-indian]

3 hours ago, Majestic said:

The standout man in that series was S Smith.

 

Lyon did okay, nothing special. Offeeke also got a 7-fer in first test.

That was First test.

 

Second test it was Lyons show all over. His 8fer put India in a deep hole.

 

O'Keefe did nothing.

 

With some luck Lyon could have created history for Aus.

Edited March 24, 2022 by sensible-indian

[sensible-indian]

2 hours ago, Clarke said:

What's the expectation here, he'll trouble Pak on their pattas ? Doubt any current spinner could do that. 

Jaddu and prime Yasir would have.

[sensible-indian]

I would have loved to see Indian spin trio on this track.

 

Feel test cricket in India is just too easy for our spinners.

 

I wanna see how they fare in SC pattas across an entire series.

Edited March 24, 2022 by sensible-indian

[vvvslaxman]

Babar is susceptible against leg spin not off spin. Someone like Brad Hogg would have posed a whole lot of problems for hi m.

[kohli]

1 hour ago, sensible-indian said:

I would have loved to see Indian spin trio on this track.

 

Feel test cricket in India is just too easy for our spinners.

 

I wanna see how they fare in SC pattas across an entire series.

Ind vs Eng 2016 series played on patta.

[sensible-indian]

15 minutes ago, kohli said:

Ind vs Eng 2016 series played on patta.

Yes we had our share of few pattas.

[Clarke]

1 hour ago, sensible-indian said:

Jaddu and prime Yasir would have.

 

I thought of earlier Jaddu as well, don't expect the same now, same with present Yasir. 

[Lord]

15 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Lyon has done more than required for his side. They are not expected to be their match winners. He has caused enough problems for us to help them win.  Also never write off spinners early in their career. Warne was a laughing stock in his first Test

 

Ofcourse they are when they tour Asia. Lyon has fallen short mostly

[vvvslaxman]

7 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Ofcourse they are when they tour Asia. Lyon has fallen short mostly

 

Warne/Murali/Herath all 3 failed in India.  SL is yet to win a test in India.  Even the wins of Australia in India were due to Mcgrath/Gillespie/Kaspa in the 2000s. 

[Lord]

3 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Warne/Murali/Herath all 3 failed in India.  SL is yet to win a test in India.  Even the wins of Australia in India were due to Mcgrath/Gillespie/Kaspa in the 2000s. 

atleast they did well in SL and Pak/UAE.

 

When was the last time Lyon won Aus a game on his own anywhere?Had lot of chances