What went wrong in the middle overs for India in batting ?

[Number]

Thoughts..

 

Edited September 5, 2022 by Number

[Ankit_sharma03]

For pandya - he didnt use enough change of pace. It was a good wkt where and ball was coming nicely on bat. He did that so well in west indies but here he didnt adapt. 

 

For pant - again didnt get going .

 

Fir chahal - wasnt able to extract anything out of wkt. 

 

Once pandya and chahal didnt find anything from the pitch they shud have bowled defensively but they are attacking bowler which also can go other way around. 

[IndianRenegade]

Pant & SKY both failed to bad shots very early, kind of made Hoodas life difficult because he is the last recognized batsman with some overs to go. The English approach of keeping at it irrespective of the fall of wickets wont work with India until the Indian bowlers learn to hold the bat.

 

If we get a good start our middle order will unfortunately need a consolidating phase before launching.

Edited September 5, 2022 by IndianRenegade

[mani sha]

Lack of left handed options . Sky tried to sweep and was right . Pant was stupid . We missed jadeja . Kishan needs to play 

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, mani sha said:

Lack of left handed options . Sky tried to sweep and was right . Pant was stupid . We missed jadeja . Kishan needs to play 

wow now we are missing jadeja batting, who himself struggled against shadab

Kishen himself is woefully out of form 

[raki05]

Pant should have come before loli to had crack on spinners. But kind of brainless shot he played you never know. You should try extravagant shot once you are set or very good at it. I have seen Pant and others in India failed in same way many a time where they are not timing well with their usual stance and then lob one straight to feilder of trying to be cheeky.

[IndianRenegade]

12 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

wow now we are missing jadeja batting, who himself struggled against shadab

Kishen himself is woefully out of form 

It’s kind of fans defense mechanism, when jadeja is there we missed pant/Hooda. When pant/Hooda are there we miss Jadeja . You play with the team you have, not with the team you want. 

 

The fact is we could have still won with this game with the team, had some of them applied themselves a bit better, we had the skill set, execution was sorely lacking.

Edited September 5, 2022 by IndianRenegade

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, IndianRenegade said:

It’s kind of fans defense mechanism, when jadeja is there we missed pant/Hooda. When pant/Hooda are there we miss Jadeja . You play with the team you have, not with the team you want. 

 

The fact is we could have still won with this team had some of them applied themselves a bit better we had the skill set, execution was sorely lacking.

TBH we did too many mistakes

We are saying we were 20 but reality is we got 20-22 free runs those 5 wides twice + fakhar fielding in last over + few misfields 

 

 

 

[Number]

Good points reg. Pant.

I would like to point out that Pant put unnecessary pressure on himelf with poor running btw the wickets.

Had he tried to run hard for his and Virat's 2s he would be at less pressure to go for a release shot.

All in all for such situations we need to develope a consolidation phase game in which when boundaries are dried up we run 2s hard very frequently.

Rizwan did well in this regard I think.

[IndianRenegade]

2 minutes ago, Number said:

Good points reg. Pant.

I would like to point out that Pant put unnecessary pressure on himelf with poor running btw the wickets.

Had he tried to run hard for his and Virat's 2s he would be at less pressure to go for a release shot.

All in all for such situations we need to develope a consolidation phase game in which when boundaries are dried up we run 2s hard very frequently.

Rizwan did well in this regard I think.

Begs the question is pant not fit enough?

[straighttalk]

Nothing went wrong but for India to pursue this aggressive startegy and they should... They need someone like Ashwin and chahar at 8 and 9 and some lefties in top7... Every bowler will get hit and unless you are Bumrah you don't deserve place just for bowling.. we can't play chahal in the 11

[tweaker]

Hooda should have bat at Pant position 

[Number]

15 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

Begs the question is pant not fit enough?

Doesn't look like that but mostly seemed an intent issue.

[rkt.india]

Kohli batted very slowly. After getting set and that start, hit just one six. No matter how many ones and twos you run, there is no substitute for sixes. That's why Kohli is a misfit. 

 

 

 

[jusarrived]

I think it wasnt easy to score of spinners, so I dont blame the batters much . Few quick wickets with only Bhuvi to follow, Virat had to be cautious else we where at a risk of being bowled out around 160.  I think we should have gone with Axar ahead of Chahal if Bishnoi was coming in. 

Dew makes defending totals very difficult here

[jusarrived]

16 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Kohli batted very slowly. After getting set and that start, hit just one six. No matter how many ones and twos you run, there is no substitute for sixes. That's why Kohli is a misfit. 

 

 

 

 

Kohli is not going to be dropped, so no point debating that. if VK can come close to his peak form, I think our batting will be fine. Hes not a power hitter, but he can hold one end for power hitters like Pandya, Pant, SKY etc . Today obviously was one off when all three failed

[Ankit_sharma03]

10 hours ago, straighttalk said:

Nothing went wrong but for India to pursue this aggressive startegy and they should... They need someone like Ashwin and chahar at 8 and 9 and some lefties in top7... Every bowler will get hit and unless you are Bumrah you don't deserve place just for bowling.. we can't play chahal in the 11

yes , yesterday post 7th batsman we had nothing 

[singhvivek141]

24 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Kohli batted very slowly. After getting set and that start, hit just one six. No matter how many ones and twos you run, there is no substitute for sixes. That's why Kohli is a misfit. 

 

 

 

That issue will always be there, TM need to accept that and plan the things around it.
Kohli was uncomfortable while batting with Pant and SKY, because they both were running slow compared to him. There were a couple of yes-no as when Pant was batting, once even with Hooda.

Bigger issue is with this "BazBall" approach, you need Deepak Chahar at 8 and not Bhuvneshwar Kumar, who will struggle to use the long handle no matter how much they try. 

 

Edited September 5, 2022 by singhvivek141

[singhvivek141]

Hope this fetish for Chahal will end now, dude can't field, can't bat and is no Shane Warne with the ball.

[Number]

12 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

I think it wasnt easy to score of spinners, so I dont blame the batters much . Few quick wickets with only Bhuvi to follow, Virat had to be cautious else we where at a risk of being bowled out around 160.  I think we should have gone with Axar ahead of Chahal if Bishnoi was coming in. 

Dew makes defending totals very difficult here

 

Yes in high scoring games it is even more difficult as in low scoring match you get some assistance from the wicket.

And I think Chahal has to be dropped now. Was always a liability in the field and with the bat and now with his bowling not being effective Axar must replace him.

BTW good to see you back.