Why Asian teams struggle to beat 2 SENA teams in back to back KOs in WCs?

[zen]

Apart from 1983 (technically, Ind beat WI in the final as at that time it was WENA) and 1992 (Pak beat NZ & ENG), I haven’t seen Asian teams beat SENA teams (or even WI as if it is in KO, it would be playing good cricket) in 2 consecutive knockout games in world cups? 
 

Eng recently beat two Asian teams in back to back KOs game (3 if you count the game versus SL as a virtual KO). 
 

Edited November 19, 2022 by zen

[zen]

6 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

Champions trophy 2000,even 2007 wt20 though officially it wasnt.

 

NZ did that in CT but this is only discussing the WCs. 

[Majestic]

(2007 WT20 :-

 

After losing vs NZ,

 

Must win game vs England - WON

Must win game vs South Africa - WON

Must win game vs Australia - WON

Must win game vs Pakistan - WON)

 

 

 

 

Edited November 19, 2022 by Majestic
Listing in Brackets as per OP's demand

[Nikhil_cric]

India beat Australia in 2011 QF and 2007 semis as well? SA in 2014 semis. England in 83 semis . Multiple times in various champions trophies. 

[zen]

1 minute ago, Majestic said:

2007 WT20 :-

 

After losing vs NZ,

 

Must win game vs England - WON

Must win game vs South Africa - WON

Must win game vs Australia - WON

Must win game vs Pakistan - WON

 

 

Only counting official KOs (though virtual KOs can be listed in brackets) 

[zen]

Just now, Nikhil_cric said:

India beat Australia in 2011 QF and 2007 semis as well? SA in 2014 semis. England in 83 semis . Multiple times in various champions trophies. 

 

That is not back to back in the same tournament ... Only discussing WCs. 

[Majestic]

1 minute ago, zen said:

 

Only counting official KOs (though virtual KOs can be listed in brackets) 

Done

[Nikhil_cric]

India have 9 wins over SENA in ICC knockouts and Pakistan have 5. Rest of the time, Indua usually hadn't been good enough.  

Edited November 19, 2022 by Nikhil_cric

[Nikhil_cric]

5 minutes ago, zen said:

 

That is not back to back in the same tournament ... Only discussing WCs. 

SENA teams didn't make it for the next knockout. How is that anyone's fault?

[Nikhil_cric]

8 minutes ago, zen said:

 

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Edited November 19, 2022 by Nikhil_cric

[zen]

2 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

India have 8 wins over SENA in ICC knockouts and Pakistan have 5. Rest of the time, Indua usually hadn't been good enough.  

 

Arre bhai, why are you posting irrelevant stuff? ... This is discussing back to back KOs games in a single WC

 

[Nikhil_cric]

16 minutes ago, zen said:

 

Arre bhai, why are you posting irrelevant stuff? ... This is discussing back to back KOs games in a single WC

 

Because to be honest,  it's a pretty meaningless stat to look at. Whenever India were strong/won, SENA teams never made it to the 2nd knockout again us- 1983, 2007, 2011. So what difference does it make?  Winning against SA in 2007 world t20 was a knockout match for us and then we had to beat Australia immediately after that. Even in '83 , that last group match against OZ was essentially a knockout .

 

 

 

[zen]

4 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

Sl beat eng qf ,NZ sf  in 2011.

 

Also kind of in 96 ,eng qf and aus final.

 

That can be counted ... However, more interested in teams going on to win a tournament by beating 2 SENA teams in a row (esp. in SF & F). 

 

Appears to be a difficult task for Asian teams, which would ideally need to play another Asian team in SF & F to have a chance of winning the tournament

[zen]

7 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Because to be honest,  it's a pretty meaningless stat to look at. Whenever India were strong/won, SENA teams never made it to the 2nd knockout again us- 1983, 2007, 2011. So what difference does it make?  Winning against SA in 2007 world t20 was a knockout match for us and then we had to beat Australia immediately after that. Even in '83 , that last group match against OZ was essentially a knockout .

 

 

 

I am not sure you understand what is being discussed ... Also, the thread is not about India (but Asian teams in general). 

 

 

Edited November 19, 2022 by zen

[zen]

Looking at WCs wins by Asian teams in SF & F:

 

1983: Ind -> ENG & WI

1992: Pak -> NZ & ENG 

 

2007: Ind -> AUS & PAK

2009: Pak -> SA & SL 

2011: Ind -> PAK & SL 

2014: SL -> WI & IND

 

 

[Nikhil_cric]

For Asian teams beating SENA teams more than once in KO's in the same tournament

 

SL beat ENG and OZ in 1996

 

 

For SENA teams beating Asian teams more than once in KOs in the same tournament,  we have 

 

Australia in 03

Australia in '15

England in this T20 World Cup

[zen]

3 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

And how many times have Sena countries won in such a way.

 

Would be similar for SENA teams esp. since they have usually missed out in Asian conditions, where there have not been too many tournaments apart from T20 WCs, which have been dominated by WI & SL, relatively speaking 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[zen]

20 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

Aus beat sl and ind in 2003

 

Talking about SF & F, ENG did recently too - IND & PAK 

 

But it is not too frequent as outside Asia usually 2-3 SENA (or WENA before 1992) teams make it to KOs ... Apart from 1983, 2003, 2007 T20, & 2009 T20, we have not seen 2 Asian teams make it to SFs outside Asia ... Even in the last T20 WC in UAE, we only had Pak make it to the SF. Earlier in 2016 T20 in Ind, only Ind made it to the SF

 

PS From 2015 to 2021 (4 WCs), only one Asian team made it to KOs 

 

Edited November 19, 2022 by zen

[coffee_rules]

5 hours ago, zen said:

Apart from 1983 (technically, Ind beat WI in the final as at that time it was WENA) and 1992 (Pak beat NZ & ENG), I haven’t seen Asian teams beat SENA teams (or even WI as if it is in KO, it would be playing good cricket) in 2 consecutive knockout games in world cups? 
 

Eng recently beat two Asian teams in back to back KOs game (3 if you count the game versus SL as a virtual KO). 
 

SL beat Aus in 1996 Final  Another thread where the arguments are going to be invented for the hypothesis 

Edited November 19, 2022 by coffee_rules

[zen]

33 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

SL beat Aus in 1996 Final  Another thread where the arguments are going to be invented for the hypothesis 

But the discussion is on back to back KO games in WCs. SL beat Ind in SF.