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Brilliant podcast....  Liked that they mentioned Barelvi the founder of Jihad in South Asia & whose objective was to bring back Islamic rule in JK was eventually killed in the battle of Balakot by Maharaja Ranjit's Singh's forces.  Hari Singh Nalwa was indeed the last great General we saw in Medieval India.  GOAT stuff.  Such a shame our history books don't bother to even mention the name of great man. 

 

Brilliant work by J Sai Deepak

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On 1/20/2023 at 5:06 PM, bharathh said:

Really enjoyed this episode as well. Will be buying his book for sure. Sounds really interesting. My estimation of Lalitaditya has really gone up a lot more after listening to this

 

 

Lalitaditya was perhaps the last Great monarch North India produced after the death of Harsha. 

Some accounts say King died in a expedition at Xinjiang.  Famous Martand Sun Temple in Kashmir was built by him. 

Tang dynasty records mention friendly ties with him.. 

He probably used their superior tech in fighting the Arabs in Punjab. 

Overall this period is called Dark History in Indian textbooks & not much is taught about it.. 

We go straight to Prithviraj & his blunders after a brief mention of Tri partite struggle in NCERT. 

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RawalPindi I guess is named after Bappa Rawal..  He stopped the second wave of Arab offensive in India. 

 

However Dark age starts right after all this...  Turks after constant sparring with eastern Europeans learned new fighting techniques & innovations.  Arabs were left in the dust later. 

Horse archers played a decisive role in the battle of Tarain.  

Overall failure to evolve with time led to end of Hindu kingdoms in India. 

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47 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

RawalPindi I guess is named after Bappa Rawal..  He stopped the second wave of Arab offensive in India. 

 

However Dark age starts right after all this...  Turks after constant sparring with eastern Europeans learned new fighting techniques & innovations.  Arabs were left in the dust later. 

Horse archers played a decisive role in the battle of Tarain.  

Overall failure to evolve with time led to end of Hindu kingdoms in India. 

It is more complicated than that, but Arabs and Turks were better fighters at that time.

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1 hour ago, Khota said:

It is more complicated than that, but Arabs and Turks were better fighters at that time.

Arabs were excellent fighters but they were no match to the Turks.  Even Byzantine empire had to call help to Pope who brought reinforcements from Western Europe to even the odds. 

Turks were too fast & rapid with their horses.  Their fast moving cavalry was too much to deal with for slow moving Indian armies even though they had great numbers. 

Except Mongols nobody really dominated these guys. 

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On 1/17/2023 at 11:51 AM, Lone Wolf said:

Brilliant podcast....  Liked that they mentioned Barelvi the founder of Jihad in South Asia & whose objective was to bring back Islamic rule in JK was eventually killed in the battle of Balakot by Maharaja Ranjit's Singh's forces.  Hari Singh Nalwa was indeed the last great General we saw in Medieval India.  GOAT stuff.  Such a shame our history books don't bother to even mention the name of great man. 

 

Brilliant work by J Sai Deepak

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Hari Singh Nalwa was an amazing General. He dominated Peshawar and brought Kashmir under Maharaja Ranjit Singh Empire. 
 
It is anecdotal but Pathan women would tell their kids that Nalwa is coming if they misbehaved.
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29 minutes ago, Khota said:
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Hari Singh Nalwa was an amazing General. He dominated Peshawar and brought Kashmir under Maharaja Ranjit Singh Empire. 
 
It is anecdotal but Pathan women would tell their kids that Nalwa is coming if they misbehaved.

Yep Nalwa was indeed one of the greatest this land produced.  If not for British this genius might have expanded even more. 

 

After that during the Dogra rule we saw General Zorawar Singh...  He was of the same Class as Nalwa but he was under a Small Kingdom whose jurisdiction was limited due to British.  He went where no one has gone before right above Gilgit Baltistan brought the portion back into Indian mainland & captured Chitral in the North west. 

 

But his actions spooked Imperial China...  When he invaded Tibet after capturing Ladakh. 

With mere 6-7k troops they defeated a large Tibetan army.  

That's how current McMahon line was established after Chushul treaty.  I think British messed up as these guys were almost closer to Kailash Range...  But those gains were left out. 

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41 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Yep Nalwa was indeed one of the greatest this land produced.  If not for British this genius might have expanded even more. 

 

After that during the Dogra rule we saw General Zorawar Singh...  He was of the same Class as Nalwa but he was under a Small Kingdom whose jurisdiction was limited due to British.  He went where no one has gone before right above Gilgit Baltistan brought the portion back into Indian mainland & captured Chitral in the North west. 

 

But his actions spooked Imperial China...  When he invaded Tibet after capturing Ladakh. 

With mere 6-7k troops they defeated a large Tibetan army.  

That's how current McMahon line was established after Chushul treaty.  I think British messed up as these guys were almost closer to Kailash Range...  But those gains were left out. 

 

India has as much right to Kailash Mansarovar as Tibetans do.

 

He established Dogra empire in Ladakh area but lost his life somewhere in that area. 

 

That was indeed the basis of McMahon Line.

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9 hours ago, Khota said:
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Hari Singh Nalwa was an amazing General. He dominated Peshawar and brought Kashmir under Maharaja Ranjit Singh Empire. 
 
It is anecdotal but Pathan women would tell their kids that Nalwa is coming if they misbehaved.

Don't know anything about Nalwa.. will read up about him. 

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14 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

RawalPindi I guess is named after Bappa Rawal..  He stopped the second wave of Arab offensive in India. 

 

However Dark age starts right after all this...  Turks after constant sparring with eastern Europeans learned new fighting techniques & innovations.  Arabs were left in the dust later. 

Horse archers played a decisive role in the battle of Tarain.  

Overall failure to evolve with time led to end of Hindu kingdoms in India. 

Lasting peace brings inertia. Unfortunately, there was little to no incentive to modernize the armies or figure out trends outside the subcontinent due to this. Due to the Himalayas and the Hindu Kush the monarchs of then were pretty content to live in their domains. 

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