mishra Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 On 4/29/2023 at 7:46 AM, Lone Wolf said: This is the problem really. I really don't get chest thumping on killing random terrorists. Jaahil Pakistani jernails may be laughing at this strategy. Since when does killing terrorists became equivalent to Army men. There are plenty more where they come from & are still coming I would only open my mouth if I would ordered to have bombed a Pakistani military HQ. Faaakin politics is stopping Indians to see the real face of these fattu politicians. Overall standards have gone down. Earlier Indian establishment would teach this economically weak version of Pakistan daily lessons & open fire on LoC. The glorious GD Bakshi days. See, Pakistan is econimically week because India is doing something. Most Analyst believe that India is punishing Pakistan in all forums for its support and fueling to separatism in India and creating/nurturing terrorist outlet. You do know that in 1994 only Iran as a country supported India else we would have been in some ****. The situation more or less remained same till Modi walked in with Doval and then Jaishankar ji joined the party. India is effectively effing Pakistan and will continue to do so till they fully succumb. The policy of firing Bullets at Pakistan comes with huge risk of nuclear escalation and/or economic impact. India has accepted the war of attrition when it comes to Kashmir and will continue to do so unless a better alternative is availble. They are our perpetual enemy and only a Step by Step deterioration of Pakistan till they succumb to our regional hegemony is only workable solution. If you still think that policy is not working Casualties every year in the Jammu and Kahmir insurgency (since 2007)[173] Year Incidents of Killing Civilians Security Forces Militants Total 2007 427 127 119 498 744 2008 261 71 85 382 538 2009 208 53 73 247 373 2010 189 34 69 258 361 2011 119 33 31 117 181 2012 70 19 18 84 121 2013 84 19 53 100 172 2014 91 28 47 114 189 2015 86 19 41 115 175 2016 112 14 88 165 267 2017 163 54 83 220 357 2018 206 86 95 271 452 2019 135 42 78 163 283 2020 140 33 56 232 321 2021 153 36 45 193 274 2022 151 30 30 193 253 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 1 hour ago, mishra said: See, Pakistan is econimically week because India is doing something. Most Analyst believe that India is punishing Pakistan in all forums for its support and fueling to separatism in India and creating/nurturing terrorist outlet. You do know that in 1994 only Iran as a country supported India else we would have been in some ****. The situation more or less remained same till Modi walked in with Doval and then Jaishankar ji joined the party. India is effectively effing Pakistan and will continue to do so till they fully succumb. The policy of firing Bullets at Pakistan comes with huge risk of nuclear escalation and/or economic impact. India has accepted the war of attrition when it comes to Kashmir and will continue to do so unless a better alternative is availble. They are our perpetual enemy and only a Step by Step deterioration of Pakistan till they succumb to our regional hegemony is only workable solution. If you still think that policy is not working Casualties every year in the Jammu and Kahmir insurgency (since 2007)[173] Year Incidents of Killing Civilians Security Forces Militants Total 2007 427 127 119 498 744 2008 261 71 85 382 538 2009 208 53 73 247 373 2010 189 34 69 258 361 2011 119 33 31 117 181 2012 70 19 18 84 121 2013 84 19 53 100 172 2014 91 28 47 114 189 2015 86 19 41 115 175 2016 112 14 88 165 267 2017 163 54 83 220 357 2018 206 86 95 271 452 2019 135 42 78 163 283 2020 140 33 56 232 321 2021 153 36 45 193 274 2022 151 30 30 193 253 I think war of attrition has been happening since ages. Right now we are probably missing a critical window. Once G20 .SCO Mujra is over.. and elections are near.. PM Modi will break ceasefire .. and encourage some useless Artillery ATGM action without crossing loc or capturing any pok land.. Deshbhakt TV channels will play some videos of Pakistani stone sheds being blown up .. and make Indian people happy without GOI escalating anything that might increase costs.. Once Elections are over, there will be ceasefire again.. Modi can play this game.. Pakistan will continue to kill 5 to 10 Indian soldiers once in a while, as they don't have the money to create a big movement inside Kashmir valley which is now a Union territory.. But, that is something that India will gladly absorb. That's the usual sh*t that has happened or will happen. This is without counting an new ultra aggressive China on the other side. Something which we never encountered earlier. Peacetime forces used to be out there lmao. Managing two hostile borders will steadily drain Indian economy. No matter who you are no nation on this planet can handle such burden. Current wait n watch strategy is just futile. PM Modi has brought nothing different to the table. He is another guy who wants to preserve his legacy without getting his hands dirty & pass on to the next. Rinse repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said: I think war of attrition has been happening since ages. Right now we are probably missing a critical window. Once G20 .SCO Mujra is over.. and elections are near.. PM Modi will break ceasefire .. and encourage some useless Artillery ATGM action without crossing loc or capturing any pok land.. Deshbhakt TV channels will play some videos of Pakistani stone sheds being blown up .. and make Indian people happy without GOI escalating anything that might increase costs.. Once Elections are over, there will be ceasefire again.. Modi can play this game.. Pakistan will continue to kill 5 to 10 Indian soldiers once in a while, as they don't have the money to create a big movement inside Kashmir valley which is now a Union territory.. But, that is something that India will gladly absorb. That's the usual sh*t that has happened or will happen. This is without counting an new ultra aggressive China on the other side. Something which we never encountered earlier. Peacetime forces used to be out there lmao. Managing two hostile borders will steadily drain Indian economy. No matter who you are no nation on this planet can handle such burden. Current wait n watch strategy is just futile. PM Modi has brought nothing different to the table. He is another guy who wants to preserve his legacy without getting his hands dirty & pass on to the next. Rinse repeat. Balakot happened and Pakistanis came with F-16 and nukes. Artice 370 happened and Chinese came in Doklam. What it means is there will be reprecursions no matter how strong you think India is if you try changing status co. You cant avoid reaction/reprecursion but you have to manage it. India is only country which is participating in de dollarisation project with impunity. Rest all will face the Music from West So what is in WIP in Modi 2019 1. Strenghthen economy, Reach to 5 trillion ASAP. Concepts of Friend Shoring by west, Make In India and Atma Nirbhar are policies for 5 trill path. These policies will benefit India even after Modi is not there in office for atleast next 2 decades. 2. Increased pace in Diversification of defence procurement (make in India, tech share, US, France and so on) and not solely rely on Russia ie all eggs in one basket. 3. Improve relations with West and Islamic nations. 4. Succumb to China or create a deterrence by getting in alliance with Powerfull US to reliably help us against China without forming a alliance to us going into war if they ie US China go into war. 5. Prop up Afghanistan to not be forced to accept Pakistani hegemony. 6. Get US and UK on board to accept that India needs to be stronger to be a valuable partner to them and BS iisues like Kashmir Khalistan need not get any support from West in name of Freedom democracy and free Speech. 7. Finally create some red lines and make everyone in west understand that we will standup when those red lines are crossed irrespective of economic benefits or bilateral relations. Finally, If PM Modi, Doval and Jaishankar trio cant do it, I dont think we have anyone else who can do it. If you think there is a alternative route and name, Go ahead and provide because I am yet to hear anything substantive by people opposing Modi. Edited May 4 by mishra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, mishra said: Balakot happened and Pakistanis came with F-16 and nukes. Artice 370 happened and Chinese came in Doklam. What it means is there will be reprecursions no matter how strong you think India is if you try changing status co. You cant avoid reaction/reprecursion but you have to manage it. India is only country which is participating in de dollarisation project with impunity. Rest all will face the Music from West So what is in WIP in Modi 2019 1. Strenghthen economy, Reach to 5 trillion ASAP. Concepts of Friend Shoring by west, Make In India and Atma Nirbhar are policies for 5 trill path. These policies will benefit India even after Modi is not there in office for atleast next 2 decades. 2. Increased pace in Diversification of defence procurement (make in India, tech share, US, France and so on) and not solely rely on Russia ie all eggs in one basket. 3. Improve relations with West and Islamic nations. 4. Succumb to China or create a deterrence by getting in alliance with Powerfull US to reliably help us against China without forming a alliance to us going into war if they ie US China go into war. 5. Prop up Afghanistan to not be forced to accept Pakistani hegemony. 6. Get US and UK on board to accept that India needs to be stronger to be a valuable partner to them and BS iisues like Kashmir Khalistan need not get any support from West in name of Freedom democracy and free Speech. 7. Finally create some red lines and make everyone in west understand that we will standup when those red lines are crossed irrespective of economic benefits or bilateral relations. Finally, If PM Modi, Doval and Jaishankar trio cant do it, I dont think we have anyone else who can do it. If you think there is a alternative route and name, Go ahead and provide because I am yet to hear anything substantive by people opposing Modi. Unless India become a 10 trillion dollar economy West won't take India seriously enough & give concessions. We are quite a while away from there. The trio won't be there long enough. Last few years left of Modi as per his own rules (turning 75 soon) Meanwhile they will push Anti India narratives (already doing it) and it will get worse with time. Road ahead is tricky. Paxtan is for hire & both China & West will use them when they need it. Edited May 4 by Lone Wolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 20 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: Unless India become a 10 trillion dollar economy West won't take India seriously enough & give concessions. We are quite a while away from there. The trio won't be there long enough. Last few years left of Modi as per his own rules (turning 75 soon) Meanwhile they will push Anti India narratives (already doing it) and it will get worse with time. Road ahead is tricky. Paxtan is for hire & both China & West will use them when they need it. Is it Modi’s zimmevaari to come up with a competent opposition when he is around or gone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 5 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Is it Modi’s zimmevaari to come up with a competent opposition when he is around or gone? Modi in an ideal world should not contest 2024... He is out of ideas & India honestly needs something new. What he brought in 2014 was cool & country needed a change. But that time is up. BJP as a party should be flexible enough to promote other strong candidates who bring their own ideas & strategies for future. Right now its a two man show & it is exhausting & there is nothing new to see. I believe we are at that stage as a Country that petty domestic issues should be ignored & look at the long term. Nation has enough Talent at its disposal. Congress pretty much in the same boat following outdated methods. A more centrist approach would serve them well but who's gonna tell them or Gandhi's. Forget about new leadership. They have probably better raw talent than any other party but it is utter waste atm. Modi is doing what serves him... That is cashing in on a ultra pathetic Opposition.. Not that it is his fault but in general it is Country's loss. Within the BJP too I see no strong voice to be even considered as a alternative which serves him as well too. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said: Modi in an ideal world should not contest 2024... He is out of ideas & India honestly needs something new. What he brought in 2014 was cool & country needed a change. But that time is up. BJP as a party should be flexible enough to promote other strong candidates who bring their own ideas & strategies for future. Right now its a two man show & it is exhausting & there is nothing new to see. I believe we are at that stage as a Country that petty domestic issues should be ignored & look at the long term. Nation has enough Talent at its disposal. Congress pretty much in the same boat following outdated methods. A more centrist approach would serve them well but who's gonna tell them or Gandhi's. Forget about new leadership. They have probably better raw talent than any other party but it is utter waste atm. Modi is doing what serves him... That is cashing in on a ultra pathetic Opposition.. Not that it is his fault but in general it is Country's loss. Within the BJP too I see no strong voice to be even considered as a alternative which serves him as well too. His speeches in Karnataka is so drably done. Same old Congress ki kadi ninda. And about double injun sarkaar. Unfortunately TINA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 18 hours ago, coffee_rules said: His speeches in Karnataka is so drably done. Same old Congress ki kadi ninda. And about double injun sarkaar. Unfortunately TINA Its basic concept of management that when a contract goes longer then certain period other party starts asking for not just contractual obligations but also value addition. In case of BJP vs Peoples contract, People need value addition. Modi is okie till 2024, But its natual that by 2029 election, People will want BJP to provide a alternative jf1gp_1 and coffee_rules 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 Oh boy.... Another terror attack. RIP bravehearts. Fattus in Delhi are sleeping. Paxtani jernails must be laughing. Paxtan keeps killing 5-10 of ours knowing zero retaliation will come. Disgusting fattu policy. The f*** when Opposition is going to speak up on this? Jammu is now new frontier opened up for these terror attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 Oh man these were special forces.... That bilawal must be kicked out from India at this moment. For how long we will suffer in silence. Vishwaguru... Vasudev kutubukum cra* is just bullsh*t when soldiers are dying on the border. mishra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khadekhademaaro Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 22 hours ago, coffee_rules said: His speeches in Karnataka is so drably done. Same old Congress ki kadi ninda. And about double injun sarkaar. Unfortunately TINA double injun ya trouble injun .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khadekhademaaro Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said: Oh man these were special forces.... That bilawal must be kicked out from India at this moment. For how long we will suffer in silence. Vishwaguru... Vasudev kutubukum cra* is just bullsh*t when soldiers are dying on the border. some supporters used to abuse other parties of meeting Pakistanis when forces were being targeted in Kashmir. and yeh BillaWall to butcher statement waala hai. kya din aa gaye hain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 59 minutes ago, khadekhademaaro said: some supporters used to abuse other parties of meeting Pakistanis when forces were being targeted in Kashmir. and yeh BillaWall to butcher statement waala hai. kya din aa gaye hain You are comparing national diplomacy to sports and entertainment people. India is hosting the conference of MoFAs as part of G20. They are forced to host that mongrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 34 minutes ago, khadekhademaaro said: some supporters used to abuse other parties of meeting Pakistanis when forces were being targeted in Kashmir. and yeh BillaWall to butcher statement waala hai. kya din aa gaye hain Billo Rani is also just a amreeki Puppet. I am sure behind the scenes Muricans arm twisted us to invite him. Paxtani Army should be banged ideally. But kicking out Billo would send a signal at least that we mean business. Paxtan atm thinks it can do whatever it wants in JK & call it Fidayeen or Mujahideen attacks & nobody can do anything. It never should have come to this. Forget valley they have now literally upped their game in Jammu.. First time since the 90's with basically empty coffers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 1 hour ago, khadekhademaaro said: double injun ya trouble injun .. He was promoting some low budget Kerala movie the other day... Few days ago HE called his leaders to stop giving opinions on movies. Now how can we take him seriously? Age has caught up with him finally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 12 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: He was promoting some low budget Kerala movie the other day... Few days ago HE called his leaders to stop giving opinions on movies. Now how can we take him seriously? Age has caught up with him finally. That sells votes in Karnataka. Don’t tell me you are not as dumb as others crying about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under_Score Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 14 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: He was promoting some low budget Kerala movie the other day... Few days ago HE called his leaders to stop giving opinions on movies. Now how can we take him seriously? Age has caught up with him finally. I don't think it's the age....he is a dumbass by nature who is not fit to be a PM...won a second term based on same old Hindu/Muslim, Hindu khatre main hai ....When there in no progress to show, the jumla cannot last forever. That's why there is a good chance that his party of thugs & 40% commission-jeevis will be kicked out of Karnataka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 5 hours ago, coffee_rules said: That sells votes in Karnataka. Don’t tell me you are not as dumb as others crying about it. Hence the point stands he is no different from other leaders. From Vishwaguru to Cinema guru... The circus never stops. Same vote bank politics that he calls out Opposition for. Funnily movie indirectly shows ineptness of Indian government about 32000 ISIS recruitment alone from Kerala... Now that number was debunked & critixized... Makers decided to remove that data from the poster. Absolute clown show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 3 hours ago, Under_Score said: I don't think it's the age....he is a dumbass by nature who is not fit to be a PM...won a second term based on same old Hindu/Muslim, Hindu khatre main hai ....When there in no progress to show, the jumla cannot last forever. That's why there is a good chance that his party of thugs & 40% commission-jeevis will be kicked out of Karnataka I won't think his first term was bad... MMS had to go eventually. Modi g was a upgrade. (Lahore trip + Pathankot attack + ISI & Demonetization only black spots) Nobody can deny that other than this his term was good. Problem is people think he is solution to everything which is laughable as he is as limited as they come. He hasn't done anything for Hindus so far... Neither he can tbh as India is still globally not a serious power. We walk a tightrope on these matters. Nupur Sharma case kinda exposed our limitations. Still we do get bad PR thanks to the illiterate morons in his party. Corrupt to the core. Now Hindu/Muslim to domestic audience is only thing they can do. With opposition in shambles its a tried & Tested strategy. He is projected to win 2024 & losing Karnataka is no big deal for him & BJP. He will take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 14 hours ago, Under_Score said: I don't think it's the age....he is a dumbass by nature who is not fit to be a PM...won a second term based on same old Hindu/Muslim, Hindu khatre main hai ....When there in no progress to show, the jumla cannot last forever. That's why there is a good chance that his party of thugs & 40% commission-jeevis will be kicked out of Karnataka https://twitter.com/narne_kumar06/status/1654743234994896896?s=46I Rudali gang ke liye Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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