The Ashes 2023

[Lord]

Touche'

 

 

[Lord]

3 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

I would gladly take Baz as our coach over this phattu Dravid

yes lets draw home series and lose away

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, Kothili said:

He is one of the very few affable characters on the Poms' side.

 

perfect replacement for Anderson, but dadaji is not seeing the light lol.

[Austin 3:!6]

Thats the end of test summer in UK....the hundreds starts tomorrow...lol

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Lord said:

yes lets draw home series and lose away

 

Do we really need a coach to win in India by our side? LOl A block of wood can do the same. But under Dravid we didn't whitewash NZ. Didn't beat Australia more convincingly. Almost lost to Bangladesh. Lost 5th test handsomely. Lost WTC final.

[putrevus]

9 minutes ago, Lord said:

yes lets draw home series and lose away

You don't judge coach just by results. Baz has created a template for England. England does not have many technically correct players, so he has created this vision of Bazball suiting his players.

 

I am not big fan of Bazball but he is trying to do something.What has Rahul Dravid done as a coach??

Edited July 31, 2023 by putrevus

[AKane]

27 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Finally Woakes is rewarded. Major influence in England's drawn series. 19 wickets at 18.14

Imagine Jimmy protege Ollie instead of Woakes (like in first 2 tests) - and we would all be marvelling at Aussie batsmen even more.

[Lord]

1 minute ago, putrevus said:

You don't judge coach just by results. Baz has created a template for England. England does not have many technically correct player, so he has created this vision of Bazball suiting his players.

 

I am not big fan of Bazball but he is trying to do something.What has Rahul Dravid done as a coach??

 

I'll rather have results. This Bazball will be exposed in tough tours but then that will be their usual loss.

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, AKane said:

Imagine Jimmy protege Ollie instead of Woakes (like in first 2 tests) - and we would all be marvelling at Aussie batsmen even more.

 

Yes. This is a phattu Australian side . Especially become more meek under cummins. Smith is a 10 times better captain.  England missed the golden opportunity to win the series by backing those useless trundlers.

[ThirtyD.]

14 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

 

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Someone check his lineage on ancestry.com; he might be a part Indian 

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

 

I'll rather have results. This Bazball will be exposed in tough tours but then that will be their usual loss.

 

But from English perspective this is the best approach. BEfore that they lost like 11 tests under Root by playing anti-bazball cricket. I think if they fine tune their bazball  they can be more effective. Declaration is one thing. Second thing is playing too fast giving very little rest to bowlers. 

[LordPrabhzy]

5 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Thats the end of test summer in UK....the hundreds starts tomorrow...lol

 Rashid Khan pulled out last minute- the cost high profile signing cba with the tournament LOL. I think after this season it will be scrapped by ECB. Eng players wont compromise on rest to play in Hundred- but Indian players will hide injuries or rest during internationals to play in IPL

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Do we really need a coach to win in India by our side? LOl A block of wood can do the same. But under Dravid we didn't whitewash NZ. Didn't beat Australia more convincingly. Almost lost to Bangladesh. Lost 5th test handsomely. Lost WTC final.

So why can't England replicate it in England? Winning at home is not as easy as you make it out to be.

 

We made WTC Final. England didn't. 

 

Even WI beat England lol.

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

When is our tour to NZ and SA. Two frontiers the current team has to conquer.

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Lord said:

So why can't England replicate it in England? Winning at home is not as easy as you make it out to be.

 

We made WTC Final. England didn't. 

 

Even WI beat England lol.

 

 

 

 

We should look at it from England perspective not from perspective. Also you should compare England with the England of old not England with India. India has different strengths.

[putrevus]

6 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

I'll rather have results. This Bazball will be exposed in tough tours but then that will be their usual loss.

What results does Dravid have? India will win in Asia with any coach. ( he inherited two of the greatest match winners) in Jadeja and Ashwin. He has lost winnable series in Sa and then in England.

Not to mention his stinkers in T20 world cup.

Edited July 31, 2023 by putrevus

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

But from English perspective this is the best approach. BEfore that they lost like 11 tests under Root by playing anti-bazball cricket. I think if they fine tune their bazball  they can be more effective. Declaration is one thing. Second thing is playing too fast giving very little rest to bowlers. 

They won't have to worry about declaration in India or Aus.

 

Rather than approach,what's working is that they have found good openers (earlier it was Burns and Sibley) and Stokes is better captain than Root.

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

They won't have to worry about declaration in India or Aus.

 

Rather than approach,what's working is that they have found good openers (earlier it was Burns and Sibley) and Stokes is better captain than Root.

 

NZ/Australia/England all toured and played on those pattas in Pakistan 

 

NZ 0-0

Australia 1-0

England 3-0

 

It definitely works for them. In NZ they won the first Test. Second Test lost by 1 run. It won't last for sure given that their bowling won't be bale to take the load. Right now it works for them.

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

NZ/Australia/England all toured and played on those pattas in Pakistan 

 

NZ 0-0

Australia 1-0

England 3-0

 

It definitely works for them. In NZ they won the first Test. Second Test lost by 1 run. It won't last for sure given that their bowling won't be bale to take the load. Right now it works for them.

yeah on pattas or even flatter wickets, this approach works. Double edged sword though. Opposition knows not to give such tracks.

 

Don't think they can adapt to bowling friendly wickets and see off spells. That'll be their real test.

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, Lord said:

yeah on pattas or even flatter wickets, this approach works. Double edged sword though. Opposition knows not to give such tracks.

 

Don't think they can adapt to bowling friendly wickets and see off spells. That'll be their real test.

 

They way they will see it is better than before. In a way India won the famous 2021 series in Australia because of that positive approach. India was going to lose SCG test. Then  Pant broke free and completely disturbed their line and length. India got away with draw. Same in the final test. India being up against run rate Gill's ultra aggressive approach set the tone for us. Phattu batting rarely works in these conditions.  If the phattu batter is not surrounded by atleast few aggressive batsmen