The Ashes 2023

[vvvslaxman]

I don't think Josh buttler is this bad. is he?

[Lord]

9 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

that was from the rough not from the wicket.  Ashwin has never used to rough in his cricketing career. Ashwin needs turn from the wicket to be effective.  He is a wicket to wicket bowler. Lyon uses bounce from the rough very well. 

even from wicket it was straightening a bit. Jaddu's wicket in first innings was due to that.

[vvvslaxman]

Suresh Head lol  That is the appropriate name. Similar trigger movement against bouncers.

[Lord]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

Bairstow  One of the worst wicket keeper i have ever seen. He will give Parthiv patel a run for money

 

they could have got Foakes instead of Crawley. He's not  a bad bat too in England

[vvvslaxman]

Travis head opens for Australia in one dayers. India plays them at Chennai. We should with spinners against him.

[rkt.india]

3 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Ashwin playing and not playing did not make any difference in end result in both matches.

right, Ashwin's selection was not a deal breaker. only fast bowlers will win you matches in place like England, SA, and Australia.  Spinners are just side kicks most times.  if fast bowlers dont do well, which spinner is playing which is not does not matter.  its very much like India on a raging turners at home. if you have 3 good spinners, which fast bowler is playing does not matter, at times even one fast bowler is enough.    

[putrevus]

Just now, Lord said:

 

they could have got Foakes instead of Crawley. He's not  a bad bat too in England

Nah you cannot do that, who will open. If Crawley is not good, they need to get another opener.

[vvvslaxman]

Mitch Marsh looks imposing. Seems like he spends most of his time at the Gym.

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

right, Ashwin's selection was not a deal breaker. only fast bowlers will win you matches in place like England, SA, and Australia.  Spinners are just side kicks most times.  if fast bowlers dont do well, which spinner is playing which is not does not matter.  its very much like India on a raging turners at home. if you have 3 good spinners, which fast bowler is playing does not matter, at times even one fast bowler is enough.    

 

Under-rated role. Secondly these are unique scenarios. England is a neutral ground for both Australia and India.  INdia is coming right afte handing them a loss . On an absolute road at Ahmedabad  he took 6 wickets. This one was even more helpful than that pitch. Difference between the two teams was those two innings. that's it.  Both of them have been bunnies of him in recent times.

[putrevus]

3 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

right, Ashwin's selection was not a deal breaker. only fast bowlers will win you matches in place like England, SA, and Australia.  Spinners are just side kicks most times.  if fast bowlers dont do well, which spinner is playing which is not does not matter.  its very much like India on a raging turners at home. if you have 3 good spinners, which fast bowler is playing does not matter, at times even one fast bowler is enough.    

Let us get real, Ashwin is not Shane Warne who still needed fast bowlers to win matches.

 

If you don't have quality fast bowlers then find them, playing spinners is not the answer.

 

Ashwin is a great bowler but he is not running thru any side if fast bowlers don't come to party.

Edited July 7, 2023 by putrevus

[rkt.india]

7 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Check the pwnage by NZ against India. The trios went missing in both innings. Even amnog pacers only Ishant was effective.

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-in-new-zealand-2019-20-1187673/new-zealand-vs-india-1st-test-1187685/full-scorecard

did Ashwin win us the game?  No. I have said this before too if fast bowlers do not do well, it does not matter which spinner is playing as only fast bowlers are going to win you games in SENA, not spinners.  Spinners are just sidekicks in SENA.  it does not become a bad decision just because fast bowlers failed. Dont think Ashwin have even one fifer in SENA.  

[Lord]

17 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Ali won a test when Ashwin could not anything in 2018.

 

Overall Ashwin has done better in England despite it being Ali's home.

 

Winning Test is team issue, we should have chased 245 but threw wickets to Ali

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

did Ashwin win us the game?  No. I have said this before too if fast bowlers do not do well, it does not matter which spinner is playing as only fast bowlers are going to win you games in SENA, not spinners.  Spinners are just sidekicks in SENA.  it does not become a bad decision just because fast bowlers failed. Dont think Ashwin have even one fifer in SENA.  

 

Dude. Apart from Bumrah's occasional blitz India rarely won with one individual. It was always a collective effrot. How many 10 wicket haul by Indian fast bowlers. Tell me? You take out one inform Ishant Indian fast bowling was completely exposed. Take out Bumrah. It is even more exposed. None of them are Ambrose to take 7 for 1 in one spell.  

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

did Ashwin win us the game?  No. I have said this before too if fast bowlers do not do well, it does not matter which spinner is playing as only fast bowlers are going to win you games in SENA, not spinners.  Spinners are just sidekicks in SENA.  it does not become a bad decision just because fast bowlers failed. Dont think Ashwin have even one fifer in SENA.  

 

you need a balanced attack.if pacers do well ,spinners can come into play on 4-5th day

 

Fast bowlers don't win games in India on their own, still they play.

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

did Ashwin win us the game?  No. I have said this before too if fast bowlers do not do well, it does not matter which spinner is playing as only fast bowlers are going to win you games in SENA, not spinners.  Spinners are just sidekicks in SENA.  it does not become a bad decision just because fast bowlers failed. Dont think Ashwin have even one fifer in SENA.  

 

In that NZ match 19 out of 20 wickets were taken by NZ seamers. 1 was run out. Look at our "celebrated" seamers. 

[putrevus]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

 

Overall Ashwin has done better in England despite it being Ali's home.

 

Winning Test is team issue, we should have chased 245 but threw wickets to Ali

Ali has done a lot in England, what has Ashwin done. Ali took hatrick against SA and 10fer in England.

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Lord said:

 

you need a balanced attack.if pacers do well ,spinners can come into play on 4-5th day

 

Fast bowlers don't win games in India on their own, still they play.

 

Exactly. Just because India can win just with spiners we don't play 5 spinners.

[putrevus]

Just now, Lord said:

 

you need a balanced attack.if pacers do well ,spinners can come into play on 4-5th day

 

Fast bowlers don't win games in India on their own, still they play.

What was Ashwin doing in fifth day when SA nearly chased 445.

[rkt.india]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Under-rated role. Secondly these are unique scenarios. England is a neutral ground for both Australia and India.  INdia is coming right afte handing them a loss . On an absolute road at Ahmedabad  he took 6 wickets. This one was even more helpful than that pitch. Difference between the two teams was those two innings. that's it.  Both of them have been bunnies of him in recent times.

after Australia scored close to 500 runs.  Even flat Indian pitches are more spin friendly than English pitches and someone had to eventually pick wickets.  it was like Jason Kreza picking 8 fer against India because no other bowler looked threatening.  he conceded 200 plus runs but got 8-fer.   one 100 and four 50+ scores were made in that innings.

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, putrevus said:

Ali has done a lot in England, what has Ashwin done. Ali took hatrick against SA and 10fer in England.

 

Different team different pitche rolled out? What did Ali do in India other than clean bowling Kohli