Elections 23-24 NDA vs I.N.D.I.A (updated) -Poll Added

[Insidious]

16 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Modi isnt desperate, he is simply countering the congress+western psy-ops election meddling with issues that resonates with hindus. Hinduvta is a priority for the common folks, this was evident with the mass celebration of ayodhya mandir inauguration just a couple of months ago.

 

Hindutva is not priority of common folks, source of income is. When your source of income is inadequate, all these hindutva, abrogation of article 370, Ram mandir goes for a toss. Jobs and inflation have always been the major factors to topple any government in a developing country.

And why Modi is so desperate to counter vague narrative of INC. On one hand you have a party who is aspiring to get 400 seats and on other hand INC would thank its lucky stars if it get 50+. There is simply no match. And yet Modi is more keen to decode Congress Manifesto than advertising its own achievements. 

Never seen him in such avatar in previous elections. And one would wonder if there are signs of a change.

2014 was about development, 2019 was about nationalism and in 2024  it is supposed to be Hindutva. However, it has nosedived massively.

 

[cowboysfan]

1 hour ago, Insidious said:

Hindutva is not priority of common folks, source of income is. When your source of income is inadequate, all these hindutva, abrogation of article 370, Ram mandir goes for a toss. Jobs and inflation have always been the major factors to topple any government in a developing country.

And why Modi is so desperate to counter vague narrative of INC. On one hand you have a party who is aspiring to get 400 seats and on other hand INC would thank its lucky stars if it get 50+. There is simply no match. And yet Modi is more keen to decode Congress Manifesto than advertising its own achievements. 

Never seen him in such avatar in previous elections. And one would wonder if there are signs of a change.

2014 was about development, 2019 was about nationalism and in 2024  it is supposed to be Hindutva. However, it has nosedived massively.

 

are you saying BJP should not after the disastrous Congress manifesto?.when life gives you lemons it is only right for you make lemonade.I think Modi has thrown the gloves off after phase 1,this is his most stringent no holds barred attack on Congress in a long while.some think its because he really wants abkibaar400paar while others think the low turnout in phase 1 has spooked BJP.i think its somewhere in the middle.BJP has taken the hindi heartland for granted and they fear some losses there and to offset that they have gone all out to get more seats in the South and WB.

[Muloghonto]

3 hours ago, Insidious said:

Hindutva is not priority of common folks, source of income is. When your source of income is inadequate, all these hindutva, abrogation of article 370, Ram mandir goes for a toss. Jobs and inflation have always been the major factors to topple any government in a developing country.

And why Modi is so desperate to counter vague narrative of INC. On one hand you have a party who is aspiring to get 400 seats and on other hand INC would thank its lucky stars if it get 50+. There is simply no match. And yet Modi is more keen to decode Congress Manifesto than advertising its own achievements. 

Never seen him in such avatar in previous elections. And one would wonder if there are signs of a change.

2014 was about development, 2019 was about nationalism and in 2024  it is supposed to be Hindutva. However, it has nosedived massively.

 

Priorities are not a zero sum game.  Why shouldnt we counter the anti-India and election meddling narrative of INC and its overseas handlers ? match or no match, why should we not take an aggressive stance towards those who make anti-india and anti-majority statements to try in a desperate bid to delegitimse the elections and the government ? Since when is 'its a small evil, ignore' a valid position ? 

We are not going to rest till congress tally hits 0. Never seen him in this avatar ? well congress didnt call india a 'collection of conflicting tribes who can go seperate any day' statements prior either. 

 

[Lone Wolf]

Modi has gone old & is just rambling these days...  No way he would go after Adani Ambani if he was in his prime. 

Idk if this is desperation or last flickering of light....  Either way a easy full toss to Rahul & kinda proving him he was right all along on Adani. 

Anyway Gujju election are done so he probably calculated it won't harm him. 

Edited May 9 by Lone Wolf

[Insidious]

1 hour ago, cowboysfan said:

are you saying BJP should not after the disastrous Congress manifesto?.when life gives you lemons it is only right for you make lemonade.I think Modi has thrown the gloves off after phase 1,this is his most stringent no holds barred attack on Congress in a long while.some think its because he really wants abkibaar400paar while others think the low turnout in phase 1 has spooked BJP.i think its somewhere in the middle.BJP has taken the hindi heartland for granted and they fear some losses there and to offset that they have gone all out to get more seats in the South and WB.

That is what exactly I am talking about. Some posters hereinabove commented that Modi is not desperate. 

He is very much desperate. After lukewarm response in phase 1, his 'abki baar 400 par' is a distant dream, which he knows. 

And in pursuit of damage control, he is resorting to cheap rants like 'congress will take mangalsutra', Congress will steal buffaloes, Adani-Ambani, which doesn't suit his stature. The burden of that hubristic slogan of 400 par, which Modi knew he can't keep up, laffecting him badly.

 

 

 

[Insidious]

26 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Priorities are not a zero sum game.  Why shouldnt we counter the anti-India and election meddling narrative of INC and its overseas handlers ? match or no match, why should we not take an aggressive stance towards those who make anti-india and anti-majority statements to try in a desperate bid to delegitimse the elections and the government ? Since when is 'its a small evil, ignore' a valid position ? 

We are not going to rest till congress tally hits 0. Never seen him in this avatar ? well congress didnt call india a 'collection of conflicting tribes who can go seperate any day' statements prior either. 

 

INC declared its manifesto well before BJP's manifesto. The anti-majority stance was very much established in their manifesto. Why Modi didn't counter it there and then? And what triggered Modi to do so after 1st phase?

 

While attacking rohingyas is an apt response, but statements like INC will steal 'mangalsutra', Buffaloes and Adani - Ambani, can't be passed off as counter. It is just a desperate attempt of a leader who know that he can't keep up with his hubristic slogan of 400 par. Infact 300 would be nothing sort of a miracle.

[someone]

3 hours ago, Insidious said:

Hindutva is not priority of common folks, source of income is. When your source of income is inadequate, all these hindutva, abrogation of article 370, Ram mandir goes for a toss. Jobs and inflation have always been the major factors to topple any government in a developing country.

And why Modi is so desperate to counter vague narrative of INC. On one hand you have a party who is aspiring to get 400 seats and on other hand INC would thank its lucky stars if it get 50+. There is simply no match. And yet Modi is more keen to decode Congress Manifesto than advertising its own achievements. 

Never seen him in such avatar in previous elections. And one would wonder if there are signs of a change.

2014 was about development, 2019 was about nationalism and in 2024  it is supposed to be Hindutva. However, it has nosedived massively.

 

 

It's better to resolve the problems like Ram Mandir, 370 article than keep it pending forever.  Everybody including you should be happy that it's no longer an issue to fight. The right question should be why weren't they resolved earlier, and the answer is because of veto power of a certain community.

 

That's the secularism practiced by the opposition of today, and seeing them shamelessly voting for SS (UBT) is a shining example. So ideology, people are irrelevant and it's just all about the veto power.

 

And BJP remembers the ghosts of Bihar 2015 election where they lost because the opposition campaigned on reservation is ending. Similarly, today opposition is asking votes for such fears and negatively on reservation, constitution ending. Thus, rightfully BJP got to answer it back with the similar tactics of emotions, fears. It works both ways.

 

And do you think the country was better, booming before 2014? India is a big country with many aspirations and basics lacking. so it can't have choices. It needs all types of development, be it from toilets, digital payments or even space exploration. Whereas Congress leaders just keep mocking such things, thereby signalling their lack of vision, and intent.

 

[Insidious]

34 minutes ago, someone said:

 

It's better to resolve the problems like Ram Mandir, 370 article than keep it pending forever.  Everybody including you should be happy that it's no longer an issue to fight. The right question should be why weren't they resolved earlier, and the answer is because of veto power of a certain community.

 

That's the secularism practiced by the opposition of today, and seeing them shamelessly voting for SS (UBT) is a shining example. So ideology, people are irrelevant and it's just all about the veto power.

 

And BJP remembers the ghosts of Bihar 2015 election where they lost because the opposition campaigned on reservation is ending. Similarly, today opposition is asking votes for such fears and negatively on reservation, constitution ending. Thus, rightfully BJP got to answer it back with the similar tactics of emotions, fears. It works both ways.

 

And do you think the country was better, booming before 2014? India is a big country with many aspirations and basics lacking. so it can't have choices. It needs all types of development, be it from toilets, digital payments or even space exploration. Whereas Congress leaders just keep mocking such things, thereby signalling their lack of vision, and intent.

 

I do acknowledge BJP's contribution in abrogation of article 370 and RAM Mandir. It is massive and humongous contribution. But can it stand against growing resentment amongst youth on jobs and inflation?

 

I also  acknowledge that you have to counter opposition's narrative with your own. 

But Modi being a PM should not sully it's stature by making meek remarks. The statements made by Modi reek desperation, which derailing NDA's campaign. 

 

Let opposition's narrative be quash aside by facts from BJP IT cell (which gone missing strangely)and other notable leaders. 

[someone]

42 minutes ago, Insidious said:

I do acknowledge BJP's contribution in abrogation of article 370 and RAM Mandir. It is massive and humongous contribution. But can it stand against growing resentment amongst youth on jobs and inflation?

 

I also  acknowledge that you have to counter opposition's narrative with your own. 

But Modi being a PM should not sully it's stature by making meek remarks. The statements made by Modi reek desperation, which derailing NDA's campaign. 

 

Let opposition's narrative be quash aside by facts from BJP IT cell (which gone missing strangely)and other notable leaders. 

 

A good leader adapts to the circumstances, and learns with time. They cannot be timid. And Modi understands it, as he has lots to communicate, and show. Primarily due to his own work, achievements, vision, and also reacting to opposition leaders and their gaffes. As a self-made man, he going to have his successes and failures, as he continues his work and innovation. It's for you to recognize them all, not just the headline news.

 

Whereas the opposition is singlely dominated about anti-Modi/BJP, nothing to talk about their own work, and vision. They simply lack topics, and thus resort to negatively and fear mongering. That is a reason why Rahul Gandhi is not capable to give any long interviews, even to his chamchas like Ravish etc. The 2014 Arnab interview still has a big impact and reality check of Rahul capabilities.

 

On jobs, no government can provide them all. The country mindset has to be job creator than job seeker, and we are in the right direction. A record number of startups has been done through good government support. It's some embarrassing to see postgraduates lamenting jobs, as the whole point of education is to be self-reliant and less dependency. I have also done interviews with some graduates, and some were totally bad, unprofessional where I question how they even got their degrees.  So bigger questions on our quality of education, and graduates calibre than just jobs. We don't need what Congress talks about making them lakhpatis overnight through free money, as that will cause record inflation and no real vision. Why Congress doesn't face big scrutiny with such pathetic ideas?

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[AuxiliA]

2 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Modi has gone old & is just rambling these days...  No way he would go after Adani Ambani if he was in his prime. 

Idk if this is desperation or last flickering of light....  Either way a easy full toss to Rahul & kinda proving him he was right all along on Adani. 

Anyway Gujju election are done so he probably calculated it won't harm him. 

 

When exactly did he go after Adani/Ambani? Modi only questioned the sudden silence of RaGa over Adani, which is true. One can read between the lines. 

 

Anyways the 'Adani issue' is totally irrelevant when it comes to voting. This isn't 1960-70s socialist India were the rich industrialists are seen as evil by the common people. If anything Congress has lot more skeletons in their closet when it comes to corruption.

 

Biggest challenge for the BJP is the caste based politics. That's why Modi has gone ballastic over Hindutva now.

 

[cowboysfan]

2 hours ago, Insidious said:

That is what exactly I am talking about. Some posters hereinabove commented that Modi is not desperate. 

He is very much desperate. After lukewarm response in phase 1, his 'abki baar 400 par' is a distant dream, which he knows. 

And in pursuit of damage control, he is resorting to cheap rants like 'congress will take mangalsutra', Congress will steal buffaloes, Adani-Ambani, which doesn't suit his stature. The burden of that hubristic slogan of 400 par, which Modi knew he can't keep up, laffecting him badly.

 

 

 

yeah i dont think 400 was ever on on the cards,it was a ploy to drum up their own base but the turnout was lukewarm after phase 1,it has almost recovered to 2019 levels since then but you also has to factor in millions of new voters too the turnout is not that as it is made to be in SM.

[mishra]

2 hours ago, someone said:

 

It's better to resolve the problems like Ram Mandir, 370 article than keep it pending forever.  Everybody including you should be happy that it's no longer an issue to fight. The right question should be why weren't they resolved earlier, and the answer is because of veto power of a certain community.

 

 

 

Actually, More I think, The more I get convinced that it was opposition which kept the issue such as above to ensure divisive politics by keeping Caste and Communal angle alive. It all started with Shah Bano case. Had Rajiv not brought in special Act to overturn Supreme Court Judgement about the Constitutional rights of Shah Bano and millions of other Muslim women, WE would never have got into this mess. Indians would have continued with Constitional process instead of divisiove politics.

Immediaqtely after the Sha Bano case, opposition also realised true power of divisive politics and came with Mandal Commission.

 

Every case which was linked to division was kept in Court by keeping Incomplete enquiry or took ages to create report despite Courts directing it to be done in time bound manner. Artilcle 370, Ram Temple , UCC , Reservation, Mathura, Kashi, Every issue has been kept lingering despite Courts trying their best to give Dates and directives of time bound Reports/implementation

Edited May 9 by mishra

[AuxiliA]

20 minutes ago, cowboysfan said:

yeah i dont think 400 was ever on on the cards,it was a ploy to drum up their own base but the turnout was lukewarm after phase 1,it has almost recovered to 2019 levels since then but you also has to factor in millions of new voters too the turnout is not that as it is made to be in SM.

 

 

The 'low voter turnout' is a huge myth. The final turnout figures released by the EC for phase 1 & 2 are 66.14% and 66.71% respectively. For phase 3 it will be >67%. 

 

In 2019, the overall turnout was 67.40%. 

 

 

[coffee_rules]

3 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Modi has gone old & is just rambling these days...  No way he would go after Adani Ambani if he was in his prime. 

Idk if this is desperation or last flickering of light....  Either way a easy full toss to Rahul & kinda proving him he was right all along on Adani. 

Anyway Gujju election are done so he probably calculated it won't harm him. 

It will appear he is going after Adani/Ambani if you are Supriya Shrinate. The response from RaGa was equally juvenile addressing him like a BigBoss contestant. And that he will give money to common people and make a hem lakhpathis. Does INC office own the banks and has the rights to all the taxpayer’s money to give it to people? Attack his policies , he whatever he is favoring is businesses that create wealth. 

[coffee_rules]

3 hours ago, Insidious said:

INC declared its manifesto well before BJP's manifesto. The anti-majority stance was very much established in their manifesto. Why Modi didn't counter it there and then? And what triggered Modi to do so after 1st phase?

He did attack the very next day and called it divisive. favoring Muslims, and that Congress is more like MuslimLeague of 1947. No media made it a big news and AmitShah and Rajnath Singh and top leaders also started to point it out.

 

Ultimately, we’ll never know why he started to speak after phase 1 attacking Congress like pre-2014, all you do is speculation. It did energize his non-bhakt voters to look up and notice Congress more. Maybe the workers were complacent, who knows! Phase1 was those seats where BJP had won only 40 seats in 2019. It couldn’t do worse in 2024.
 

He is really showing what the alternative looks like for voters. No media is doing it, somebody has to do it. Talking of development only or 370/Ram will not work if there is resentment over jobs etc favoring anti-incumbency. If voters don’t know how opposition government looks like for the majority, it will become another 2004, and he is not a moderate politician like ABV. 
 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Insidious said:

 

While attacking rohingyas is an apt response, but statements like INC will steal 'mangalsutra', Buffaloes and Adani - Ambani, can't be passed off as counter. It is just a desperate attempt of a leader who know that he can't keep up with his hubristic slogan of 400 par. Infact 300 would be nothing sort of a miracle.

You think slogans like abkiBaar is for his voters, you are naive. He is basically attacking the morale of opposition voters and workers thinking there is no point in turning up as BJP is anyhow winning. Also, he doesn’t want to go down fighting as people started to see fatigue factor. Maybe outside elements are working to replace him seeing he’s tired and he’s showing he can still fight. It is good for majority and this for India if they go with BJP another 20 years until a viable alternative happens. Any government will not stop programs for minorities, but a coalition government will be bad for India’s growth at this juncture 

[randomGuy]

49 minutes ago, AuxiliA said:

 

 

The 'low voter turnout' is a huge myth. The final turnout figures released by the EC for phase 1 & 2 are 66.14% and 66.71% respectively. For phase 3 it will be >67%. 

 

In 2019, the overall turnout was 67.40%. 

 

 

For phase 1 and 2 in 2019, it was 69.x% . It is not down as much as thought earlier. I think dropping 400 par slogan is partly due to the thinking that BJP voters should not skip voting due to complacency.

[someone]

59 minutes ago, AuxiliA said:

 

 

The 'low voter turnout' is a huge myth. The final turnout figures released by the EC for phase 1 & 2 are 66.14% and 66.71% respectively. For phase 3 it will be >67%. 

 

In 2019, the overall turnout was 67.40%. 

 

 

In last few years, there has been lots of inter-linking of citizens data, cards and many bogus voter id were found.

 

Thus, I would take the past records with a pinch of salt. After all, the low voting turnout is relative to that past.

 

 

[mishra]

Modi is getting 350+. Pundits have no data but scare mongering. Only data that exists is So far is that, Voter turnout count is higher.

 

All the people I personally know who can be classed as Modi voters have voted despite complaining about Heat.

[Insidious]

5 minutes ago, mishra said:

Modi is getting 350+. Pundits have no data but scare mongering. Only data that exists is So far is that, Voter turnout count is higher.

 

All the people I personally know who can be classed as Modi voters have voted despite complaining about Heat.

How you are getting these number? So you are saying, numbers will go higher than 2019, despite no Modi wave arround. I seriously doubt this. 

[mishra]

1 hour ago, Insidious said:

How you are getting these number? So you are saying, numbers will go higher than 2019, despite no Modi wave arround. I seriously doubt this. 

2019 is given on basis that Modi voter is coming to Poll. INDI is fractured. Modi has played and won alliance battle too (Bihar Karnataka Andhra). He also played a psychological battle by declaring 370 seats which is evident from 2 seats already to BJP without even contesting (Opposition voter and leaders got disheartened even before the match begun that they will loose. So not all voters/leaders will show Sportman spirit and play the game ).

 

On top, Fact as i mentioned. There are more voters who casted their vote then 2019. WOrse performance in terms of vote percentage(10+%) drop is Tamil Nadu which is a opposition voter state.

 

Even Soutik Biswas (BBC India) all time BJP Hater is acknowledging that Modi's benefit scheme (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/ce483qevngqt) has reached to Poor and its a headline on BBC.

 

Watch lallntop(youtube) in Kashmir. Surprisingly you will see there is BJP supporter in Anantnag and a Congress worker is hoping Modiji will deliver more while other dont know why they shouldnt vote BJP

So I am making a assessment on basis of these indicators and not who is who.

 

 

 

Edited May 9 by mishra