Elections 23-24 NDA vs I.N.D.I.A (updated) -Poll Added

[Lone Wolf]

3 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Modi trolling the opposition has all LeLis crying outrage that there is no democracy left in India!!!

 ‘Indian Mujahideen, East India Company, PFI also have INDIA’: PM Modi slams opposition bloc in BJP parliamentary meeting

A low IQ response...  He has launched hundreds of schemes like Khelo India,  Make in India,  Start up India etc... 

Inviting trolling himself...  Now are these terror organizations?? 

 

Hemanta Biswa alone is doing better job than him in countering this...  That's why Modi should retire.  Old age has caught up badly. 

[coffee_rules]

28 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

A low IQ response...  He has launched hundreds of schemes like Khelo India,  Make in India,  Start up India etc... 

Inviting trolling himself...  Now are these terror organizations?? 

 

Hemanta Biswa alone is doing better job than him in countering this...  That's why Modi should retire.  Old age has caught up badly. 

The message was  for the BJP karyakartas, not for the nation as a PM. As a party leader, he can target the opposition. As a PM, he launched Khelo India, Make in India, etc. Hence, I said, he’s trolling and opposition is in need of burnol now. 

Edited July 25, 2023 by coffee_rules

[Lone Wolf]

15 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

The message was  for the BJP karyakartas, not for the nation as a PM. As a party leader, he can target the opposition. As a PM, he launched Khelo India, Make in India, etc. Hence, I said, he’s trolling and opposition is in need of burnol now. 

He is himself spoiling all the effort...  And now is getting targeted as if he hates India.  As I said low IQ stuff..  He fell for it as simple as that.  Opposition named it INDIA for a damn reason. 

Doesn't matter he is popular but a dumb move is a dumb move. 

[Austin 3:!6]

On 7/22/2023 at 3:17 PM, BlueBlood said:

I request mods to delete all my posts and if needed ban my account since it's a public forum, I am worried my posts will bring unnecessary stress to this forum and myself due to censorship we have across the country.

 

It's scary what's happening to youtubers, Twitter posters etc. Who post anything against powerful corporates and politicians these days.

 

I hate political posts for exactly this reason but my intention was to just educate people on how economic policy is being ignored for social and identity politics that is harmful for common public in the long term.

All voices are welcome as long as no name calling etc. ICF is open to all views.

[coffee_rules]

45 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

 

Just go to World Bank's website and check 2022 GDP per capita stats:
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?end=2022&most_recent_value_desc=true&start=2009

 

India with the highest population in the world is worse than many African countries like Republic of Congo at: $2,388. Even Sri Lanka beats India in this measure.

 

Comparatively lets look at:

China: $12,720 (almost 6 times higher with similar population).

 

Or

 

Vietnam: $4,163.51

 

Or

 

Mexico: $11,091.31

 

Prior to 2009 - Vietnam was $1,684 (their prosperity went up 4x).

 

India in 2014 when Modi came to power was: $1,590.17 (similar to Vietnam) and in 2020 before the whole COVID money printing and inflation it was: $1,913.

 

Which means the whole Make in India campaign was a flop as Vietnam took all the manufacturing away from China and their individual prosperity went up 400%.

 

India? still stuck at barely even going up 17% in over 6 years time.

 

This is what I am saying all along, the income disparity is massive in India and wealth has only transferred to select group of corporates and business people closely aligned with politicians.

 

And add to that GST tax was added which added more burden on the poor as all consumption taxes benefit rich and hurt poor. It's been proven as poor spend all their money on goods/food etc. with zero savings while rich invest.

 

I cannot believe people here actually believe that Adani got Mumbai Airport and other ports without any political assistance.

 

The fact that you all BJP supporters agree power shouldn't be in two business people's hands but yet try to defend them is all we need to know about partisan politics.

 

You cannot have it both ways. Either you accept you support a corrupt government and monopolistic society similar to China that is happening currently Or you don't.

 

When income disparity is this high and wealth goes to only a select few at the top, all it has done and will continue to do is create more brain drain out of the country as always. The people who are left behind will want more government subsidies and freebies. That's been the case in Africa and other similar places for decades.

 

I have nothing more to add to this thread than to prove my point with hard stats.

GDP per capita obviously will be lower for India due to high population and large population under lower or middle income dependent on Agriculture. It doesn’t mean, living conditions are worse than Republic c of Congo
 

Economists say PPP (Purchasing Power Parity) based GDP indicates living conditions better , to compare countries.

 

https://www.investopedia.com/updates/purchasing-power-parity-ppp/
 

[Lord]

20 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

A low IQ response...  He has launched hundreds of schemes like Khelo India,  Make in India,  Start up India etc... 

Inviting trolling himself...  Now are these terror organizations?? 

 

Hemanta Biswa alone is doing better job than him in countering this...  That's why Modi should retire.  Old age has caught up badly. 

 

Everyone working overtime to spin it to something good

[coffee_rules]

22 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

 

That's no longer good enough excuse as then India needs to match China - why is India lagging behind so much?

 

Check this article about GDP PPP and why it's flawed:

 

https://carnegieendowment.org/2014/05/02/do-we-understand-math-behind-ppp-calculations-pub-55498

"The problem is that in China bad debt is rarely recognized, repayment isn’t enforced, and default is almost non-existent. Banks simply roll bad debt over indefinitely. This makes comparisons between the two countries pretty hard. Why? It helps us to understand this if we think about the difference in the way we account for expenditures related to consumption and to investment. Normally, when you spend money on consumption, you create an expense. When you spend money on investment, you create an asset."

 

One other caveat is a lot of US Dollars in India is not from exports but expats sending money home to family. This also grossly over values GDP PPP.

 

GDP per capita is the only accurate measure as it calculates the true mean rather than median to check extremes. Mexico may be considered a poor country but per capita of $11k means a large percentage of the population is prosperous. This is not the case with Nigeria for example.

 

You can spin numbers however which way but GDP per capita barely edged up last 8 years compared to inflation - it's even worse once you remove COVID money printing.

That’s not an excuse, but it is to say GDP per capita is not only number to compare countries, due to uneven population. With no population control and growing population. Even if we double the growth rate, it is not possible to complete with developed countries on this index.  And it’s not true index anyway. French want to do away with GDP comparison and use QoL index also to show why wealth is not the only indicator of richness. 
 

Read this, for GDP per capita to PPP comparison. There are many economists who differ one way or the other, it is not an exact science like Physics to take one’s theory as the sole one . 
 

https://saylordotorg.github.io/text_international-finance-theory-and-policy/s09-07-ppp-and-cross-country-comparis.html#:~:text=The PPP method of conversion,United States (%246%2C250 vs.

 

“

The PPP method of conversion is a much more accurate way of making cross-country comparisons of values between countries. In this example, although China’s per capita GDP was still considerably lower than in the United States ($6,250 vs. $41,400), it is nonetheless four and a half times higher than using the spot exchange rate ($6,250 vs. $1,390). The higher value takes account of the differences in prices between the countries and thus better reflects the differences in purchasing power of per capita GDP.”

Pack of cig costs 10 dollars, while the same costs much much lesser in India. Purchasing power is more accurate to guess living conditions.

 

You had 70  years of socialism based policies, one can hardly get GDP per capita increased. More relaxed economic policies for raising economic activity is the goal to increase GDP.  You want everything to be solved in last 9 years, when there is so much opposition to any liberal laws like the farm laws. Air India is the only instance of privatization in last 15 years. Go figure!

 

Remittances is 100 billion in 22-23 while GDP is 3+ trillion, such a low percentage to think that would offset country’s ppp. 

[ravishingravi]

GDP per capita maybe a good indicator. But how can one just look at nominal. Its not about the $. It's what you can buy with it. PPP. 

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

 

Everyone working overtime to spin it to something good

BJP PR & IT cell is top tier...  Locals eat whatever they sell. 

But they can only do so much.  Any other leader would be roasted badly over this comment. 

[dial_100]

3 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

 

Just go to World Bank's website and check 2022 GDP per capita stats:
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?end=2022&most_recent_value_desc=true&start=2009

 

India with the highest population in the world is worse than many African countries like Republic of Congo at: $2,388. Even Sri Lanka beats India in this measure.

 

Comparatively lets look at:

China: $12,720 (almost 6 times higher with similar population).

 

Or

 

Vietnam: $4,163.51

 

Or

 

Mexico: $11,091.31

 

Prior to 2009 - Vietnam was $1,684 (their prosperity went up 4x).

 

India in 2014 when Modi came to power was: $1,590.17 (similar to Vietnam) and in 2020 before the whole COVID money printing and inflation it was: $1,913.

 

Which means the whole Make in India campaign was a flop as Vietnam took all the manufacturing away from China and their individual prosperity went up 400%.

 

India? still stuck at barely even going up 17% in over 6 years time.

 

This is what I am saying all along, the income disparity is massive in India and wealth has only transferred to select group of corporates and business people closely aligned with politicians.

 

And add to that GST tax was added which added more burden on the poor as all consumption taxes benefit rich and hurt poor. It's been proven as poor spend all their money on goods/food etc. with zero savings while rich invest.

 

I cannot believe people here actually believe that Adani got Mumbai Airport and other ports without any political assistance.

 

The fact that you all BJP supporters agree power shouldn't be in two business people's hands but yet try to defend them is all we need to know about partisan politics.

 

You cannot have it both ways. Either you accept you support a corrupt government and monopolistic society similar to China that is happening currently Or you don't.

 

When income disparity is this high and wealth goes to only a select few at the top, all it has done and will continue to do is create more brain drain out of the country as always. The people who are left behind will want more government subsidies and freebies. That's been the case in Africa and other similar places for decades.

 

I have nothing more to add to this thread than to prove my point with hard stats.

 

Its cute when leftists cry about BJP supporters all the time and yet never find answers themselves. I know it wont help but I never voted for BJP when I was in India. Not even once. Settled? Yes I do support them. 

 

For the sake of argument, lets accept your point about per capita and that BJP supporters are somehow ignoring the rapid growth of these 2 business groups. Please dont run away from the argument and be precise. 

 

1. Per Capita : tell me what your favorite parties did for the last 70 years to raise per capita? First to control population (Illegal migration and birth control) and second to rapidly increase economy by focusing on important industries, infrastructure, manufacturing, semiconductor, space, defense etc? 

 

2. The 2 Business groups: Why govts in left ruled states are allotting them govt contracts even now? 

 

Topics like income disparity, GST could be discussed later.

 

Just imagine, if you need India to have PC income at $10K, we would need to raise our economy to $14T or PC to be at $15K the economy would have to be  at $21T. In the 10 years of MMS/Cong rule, economy rose from $0.8T to $2T with 0 focus on infrastructure, manufacturing, defense. On top of that, there was a massive corruption. So your track record on economy front was abysmal. Tell me how will they turn around things assuming Modi gone and you have Harvard educated as your PM

 

 

[Number]

No development work.

Karnataka tax payers to finance Congress parties election campaigns and Mr Gandhi's Thailand visits  for 5 years. 

 

 

[coffee_rules]

19 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

BJP PR & IT cell is top tier...  Locals eat whatever they sell. 

But they can only do so much.  Any other leader would be roasted badly over this comment. 

Kaanphidense kahan se aata hain?

 

 

Not if but when - PM Modi exuding confidence on the eve of a confidence vote in Parliament. https://t.co/MyGtRlJhTd

— Smita Prakash (@smitaprakash) July 26, 2023

[Lord]

 

Good point . Should call it N.D.A too.

 

Thread title should be updated too 

Edited July 27, 2023 by Lord

[Lone Wolf]

26 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Good point . Should call it N.D.A too.

 

Thread title should be updated too 

Rubika was hanging on for dear life...  After even BJP spokesperson had given up during Karnataka elections result... She still believed comeback was possible till the bitter end.  Became a instant meme that day..  

Reminded me of Manoj Tiwari 4 baje ki ratt during Delhi elections

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Rubika was hanging on for dear life...  After even BJP spokesperson had given up during Karnataka elections result... She still believed comeback was possible till the bitter end.  Became a instant meme that day..  

Reminded me of Manoj Tiwari 4 baje ki ratt during Delhi elections

Yeah still remember BJP was ahead on her channel till the end

[mishra]

 

21 hours ago, Number said:

No development work.

Karnataka tax payers to finance Congress parties election campaigns and Mr Gandhi's Thailand visits  for 5 years. 

 

 

Development delivery is biggest problem for opposition. Most Indians dont trust opposition ever be efficienet or capable enough to provide development and even opposition knows that they cant do development.

 

In past, since there was no digital infrastructure like Aadhra, Bank accounts, so they werent able to "implement" policies on social benefits. So effectively it used to be policies on paper and people knew that. So all they could do was have a tried and tested politics of appeasement aka divide and rule.

 

Now digital infra is setup, They can promise freebies and even deliver it. Only Problem I see in this is that unless Social Benefits/Security policy is not backed by economic/infra development, Country will be unable to afford and to make the payments to bank accounts of poor villagers.

 

Individual States are bailed out by centre, but once centre creates a gaping hole in its finance trying social benefits(Remember Rs 70,000 per annum promise by RaGa during last election) we will have no option but to borrow from IMF and China aka go Pakistan route. So Kejriwal or Gehlot or be any other opposition CM, They can only deliver Social Security/freebies promises, if they have BJP in centre.

 

Anyone arguing against it need to match Finances /earning of Individual States vs Expenses

Edited July 28, 2023 by mishra

[mishra]

On 6/26/2023 at 2:31 PM, coffee_rules said:

Thread for 2024 Elections 

 

 

 

 

Just wondering why picture of Nitish ji is in centre? Is picture from Bihar Chapter ? Everyu Dybast is vying to become PM in individual State chapters

Edited July 28, 2023 by mishra

[ravishingravi]

Actually they have fast tracked the transition to Bharat. With India being associated with bunch, takers for Bharat will increase. Plus it's good strategy to double down on name change now. 

[Lone Wolf]

@Lord  @khadekhademaaro ye kya ho raha hai

 

[Lone Wolf]

34 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

Actually they have fast tracked the transition to Bharat. With India being associated with bunch, takers for Bharat will increase. Plus it's good strategy to double down on name change now. 

Nah Bharat comes very few times in common lingo...  Maybe in Peak Hindi belt areas (debatable) 

In General India has been embedded into common Psyche.  It removed Hindustan fairly easily....  It was used frequently during BWood movies as well.  Now has gone extinct with India occupying the spot. 

Bharat is never getting that reach....  As English continues to infiltrate far & beyond.