Jaddu as ODI all rounder

[vvvslaxman]

Power play overs in career

 

Jadeja 10 innings 15 overs 2 wickets avge 35.50 ER 4.73

 

Maxwell 14 innings 23 overs 5 wickets avge 20.20 ER 4.39

 

 

[singhvivek141]

13 minutes ago, Norman said:

They could have used his batting abilities a bit better though. He has a compact technique against all kinds of bowlers and should have been played at 4 or 5 like Shakib did. 

His batting improved after "bits and pieces" incident..otherwise he was susceptible to any kind of movement, even against short ball he often gets in an uncomfortable position.

But as his batting became better, his bowling took a nosedive (specially in white ball).

[Majestic]

It's a case of mediocrity being backed enough that it started showing some promise and potential and due to providing extra utility being a lefty and a great fielder, he was persisted and is on way to build a long decent career for himself in LOIs.

 

When Jadeja started, there wasn't any established all rounder in the team whose peak was yet to be seen. 

 

When Hardik started, he exposed Jadeja and as a result, Jadeja was dropped. Kedhar Jadhav was doing well for 2 years also which kept Jadeja out. But due to lack of middle order batsman who can bowl, Jadeja was brought back. Axar had just started and he was worse than Jadeja who started reaching his best in ODIs.

 

Now Axar has established himself and doing well but it is coinciding with Jadeja who is still doing well and is technically a more proficient batter than Axar.

[Majestic]

4 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

His batting improved after "bits and pieces" incident..otherwise he was susceptible to any kind of movement, even against short ball he often gets in an uncomfortable position.

But as his batting became better, his bowling took a nosedive (specially in white ball).

I think this is just a case of him not bowling consistently in ODIs due to injuries and taking rests while playing tests and IPL mostly. His captain and team management back his skills as they go into big tournament like World Cup.

 

Everyone knows he will go into World Cup with enough practice of his line and length accurate economical bowling. This doesn't work in T20s which is why he hasn't find success in the World T20s but in ODIs, he will do enough to retain his spot.

[Lord]

Why compare with Shakib? We can't select Shakib.

 

Jaddu was very good bowler till 2014 or so even achieved no. 1 ranking. Then new rules completely neutralized him and many finger spinners, even Ashwin. Thats why we selected Kulcha.

 

Batting was never explosive but has been improving last years.

 

Sadly still the best option we have as overall package (including fielding)

 

We have to start backing batting ARs like Parag/Tewatia who can field well,atleast in T20s

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Yes, bowlers are likely to have economy rate of 5.5 by bowling in middle overs. However very few have sub-5 economy rate.

 

If you don't pick up wickets going for 50 instead of 55 means little.  They can always smash the bowlers in death overs.

 

Besides Jaddu is no different from others in the middle overs. Here are the middle over stats for all the spinners we used in recent times. Jaddu has the worst strike rate and worst average among spinners. Not the best in terms of ER as well.

 

 

 

 

[Gollum]

Look at the competition in India. Shakib is an all time great in ODIs, the gold standard for spinning ARs, unfair comparison. The way Shakib batted in 2019 WC, even Kohli will never be able to do. In fact I rate Shakib even higher than Kapil, Imran, Hadlee, Botham, Kallis, Stokes, Flintoff in ODIs.

Edited August 25, 2023 by Gollum

[vvvslaxman]

8 minutes ago, Lord said:

Why compare with Shakib? We can't select Shakib.

 

Jaddu was very good bowler till 2014 or so even achieved no. 1 ranking. Then new rules completely neutralized him and many finger spinners, even Ashwin. Thats why we selected Kulcha.

 

Batting was never explosive but has been improving last years.

 

Sadly still the best option we have as overall package (including fielding)

 

We have to start backing batting ARs like Parag/Tewatia who can field well,atleast in T20s

 

He has been playing since what? 2009. That is a total of 14 years. 13 fifties in all his career. No century. So his batting in LOI is more an utility rather than match winning. In terms of bowling his strike rate is very poor. He doesn't power play bowling like say Imad wasim. He just operates in the safest zone possible gets away with some Economical numbers  much like our Economy kumar.

[Lord]

Just now, vvvslaxman said:

 

He has been playing since what? 2009. That is a total of 14 years. 13 fifties in all his career. No century. So his batting in LOI is more an utility rather than match winning. In terms of bowling his strike rate is very poor. He doesn't power play bowling like say Imad wasim. He just operates in the safest zone possible gets away with some Economical numbers  much like our Economy kumar.

Batting at no. 7-8 won't yield centuries. Even Pandu is yet to score one.

 

As for bowling, in earlier years he used to bowl regularly in death overs. New rules have changed all that. Finger spinners are rare these days for that reason.

 

Yeah Bhuvi is good analogy but atleast Jaddu fields and bats much better.

 

Should focus on Tests after WC where he is undeniably a real asset. We need a hitter who can bowl spin.

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Lord said:

Batting at no. 7-8 won't yield centuries. Even Pandu is yet to score one.

 

As for bowling, in earlier years he used to bowl regularly in death overs. New rules have changed all that. Finger spinners are rare these days for that reason.

 

Yeah Bhuvi is good analogy but atleast Jaddu fields and bats much better.

 

Should focus on Tests after WC where he is undeniably a real asset. We need a hitter who can bowl spin.

 

Don't deny he is an invaluable asset in Tests. But in LOIs we have to move past him.  He is also known for noballs. Bad run outs. Unless India gets rid of Jadeja and these half baked all rounders like Axar we will never win anything. 

[Lord]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Don't deny he is an invaluable asset in Tests. But in LOIs we have to move past him.  He is also known for noballs. Bad run outs. Unless India gets rid of Jadeja and these half baked all rounders like Axar we will never win anything. 

nah you gotta have atleast 2 ARs to have balance. Its just that we dont have any good one. Even Pandu is not that great but better than these.

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Lord said:

nah you gotta have atleast 2 ARs to have balance. Its just that we dont have any good one. Even Pandu is not that great but better than these.

 

 

 

Impact knocks cannot be expected from him. I think Axar atleast produced one in WIndies. Technically Jadeja is better than Axar. But that's not the quintessential requirement in LOIs Jadeja is useful only when some striker like Pant is at the other end. If it is only up to him he is not going to do much. 

[Majestic]

This World Cup will define Jadeja's legacy. 

[Majestic]

5 minutes ago, Lord said:

nah you gotta have atleast 2 ARs to have balance. Its just that we dont have any good one. Even Pandu is not that great but better than these.

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Impact knocks cannot be expected from him. I think Axar atleast produced one in WIndies. Technically Jadeja is better than Axar. But that's not the quintessential requirement in LOIs Jadeja is useful only when some striker like Pant is at the other end. If it is only up to him he is not going to do much. 

This IPL he found success with bowl and delivered in final with bat. This World Cup can be defining moment for his LOI career.

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Impact knocks cannot be expected from him. I think Axar atleast produced one in WIndies. Technically Jadeja is better than Axar. But that's not the quintessential requirement in LOIs Jadeja is useful only when some striker like Pant is at the other end. If it is only up to him he is not going to do much. 

 

What do you mean by impact knock? Jaddu's 2019 semi knock was as impactful as any. Just because we didn't win doesn't make it worse than Axar's knock.

 

Yeah already said we need some batting AR who is a hitter. However Axar and Sundar are not those guys.

[Lord]

1 minute ago, Majestic said:

 

This IPL he found success with bowl and delivered in final with bat. This World Cup can be defining moment for his LOI career.

Yes bowled well specially. However WC is expected to have dew. So will be interesting to see how he manages that.

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Majestic said:

 

This IPL he found success with bowl and delivered in final with bat. This World Cup can be defining moment for his LOI career.

 

 Given that he has played through 3 decades in multi formats and leagues one more average performance will leave him with no legacy to speak of in this format. He is in the side mainly because of one-dimensional nature of our side more than anything else.

[Lord]

4 minutes ago, Majestic said:

This World Cup will define Jadeja's legacy. 

only in ODIs. Already has opposing legacy in Tests and T20s

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Lord said:

Yes bowled well specially. However WC is expected to have dew. So will be interesting to see how he manages that.

 

On Indian pitches he knows how to produce economical spell. But that is not what we want. We need wickets from him as well. Also strike well with bat.  No excuse to fail on Indian pitches as these guys know every ground.

[Lord]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

 Given that he has played through 3 decades in multi formats and leagues one more average performance will leave him with no legacy to speak of in this format. He is in the side mainly because of one-dimensional nature of our side more than anything else.

 

and because there are no undeniably better options. Both not his fault.