Gill or Surrender?

[Downtown]

Our team pretty much rides on Shubman Gill's performance in the beginning.. He's the one who sets the tone and makes things smoother for the rest of the gang. It's crazy how when he's not in the game, it's like a house of cards tumbling down! So, do you reckon this team's batting depends heavily on Gill? Imagine if he's having an off day during a high-pressure match – these odlies might struggle big time to chase down even an average score. What's your take on that? 

[Austin 3:!6]

LOL I was wondering who is Surrender? I thought you meant Sundar and was about to change the Title

[nevada]

Because of WC fetish, Jaiswal is not being played but in the future, he can take some of the load off of Gill. Rohit seems too old now to be capable of big hundreds. 

[Majestic]

We play a pretty safe style of cricket which is a problem while chasing on absolute phatta. 

 

The likes of Kohli, Iyer, Rahul are all in range of 90-110 SR batsman. Then you have Pandya who also is not capable of striking big vs pace. Less said about Jadeja the better. The player who plays a different style to this is SKY but he has failed to provide the outcome that we expect or anywhere close to that expectation. In a big game, will SKY perform vs quality attack? The answer though to this question is not what we would want to hear.

 

Another problem we have is #8 which is a worry. When you are chasing 330+, you don't want to be 240/6(40) and then end up at 280 all-out(48.2). But if you play a Shardul or Axar, that weakens the bowling because on those phatta wickets, Shardul alone is capable of leaking a hundred with bowl. Axar is probably a better option than Shardul here because we are playing in Indian conditions.

 

Ashwin, to an extent, narrows the gap but doesn't solve your problem because he doesn't walk into our team purely on bowling merit either like a Kuldeep, Ash is just a Jadeja with better face value in bowling.

Edited September 27, 2023 by Majestic

[Nikhil_cric]

Nope. Issue is the combination. 5 batters will never work.  We played 6 batters and we won the first 2 ODIs .

 

We played an extra fraud allrounder and lost comfortably .

[Number]

The squad didn't have enough members due to viral spreading in the team and were forced to chose from 13 players, so they had to play 6 bowlers. Combination was way off.

[Nikhil_cric]

8 hours ago, nevada said:

Because of WC fetish, Jaiswal is not being played but in the future, he can take some of the load off of Gill. Rohit seems too old now to be capable of big hundreds. 

Rohit is definitely not the issue. He bats with the right template for ODI cricket. 

 

When it comes off well, he kills the opposition. When it doesn't come off as well,  he is not wasting any balls and gives time for the middle order to reconstruct .

 

The top 3 taking things deep and looking to accelerate is fraught with risk.

 

If they have wasted too many balls and gotten out, we will end up sub par. 

 

If they've been continuously successful for a long period, it's even worse.  The middle order batters won't have batted enough at all .  And in a crucial knockout if Top 3 is blown apart, the untested, inexperienced middle order won't be able to recover and counter attack because they had batted too little for ages. 

 

The whole Top 6 should adopt a similar approach. 

 

They need to look to bat 45 balls each and set targets.  Once that is reached and if they're still at the wicket, they should risk it all and look to destroy the bowlers at higher rates till they get out. 

 

It's the only way our middle/lower order will develop. 

 

 

 

[Vijy]

10 hours ago, Majestic said:

We play a pretty safe style of cricket which is a problem while chasing on absolute phatta. 

 

The likes of Kohli, Iyer, Rahul are all in range of 90-110 SR batsman. Then you have Pandya who also is not capable of striking big vs pace. Less said about Jadeja the better. The player who plays a different style to this is SKY but he has failed to provide the outcome that we expect or anywhere close to that expectation. In a big game, will SKY perform vs quality attack? The answer though to this question is not what we would want to hear.

 

Another problem we have is #8 which is a worry. When you are chasing 330+, you don't want to be 240/6(40) and then end up at 280 all-out(48.2). But if you play a Shardul or Axar, that weakens the bowling because on those phatta wickets, Shardul alone is capable of leaking a hundred with bowl. Axar is probably a better option than Shardul here because we are playing in Indian conditions.

 

Ashwin, to an extent, narrows the gap but doesn't solve your problem because he doesn't walk into our team purely on bowling merit either like a Kuldeep, Ash is just a Jadeja with better face value in bowling.

most teams, barring Eng, have a top 3 with players in 90-100 SR and sometimes even lower. this is not just restricted to india

[Downtown]

Caught in a similar situation today! Thanks to KL Rahul and that dropped catch! 

Edited October 8, 2023 by Downtown