Major terror attack underway in Gaza Strip

[zen]

43 minutes ago, bharathh said:

 

Palestinians don't want a 2 party state and will never prosper even if left alone. All the wars since 1948 have proven that. Even after complete withdrawal from Gaza - the land was just used as a launching pad for terrorists. These ppl want annihilation of the Israelis - not peaceful coexistence.

 

Instead of using all the billions of dollars given to them, the people in charge of Palestine used it to build bunkers, tunnels and prioritised buying rockets and weapons. These folks don't want peace. Only war. Can't really find any sympathy for these ingrates. Can only laugh at all the bleeding hearts who didn't care a whit for the kids being brainwashed into violence to become cannon fodder for the leadership sitting out of Qatar and Europe prior to the retaliation for Oct 7.  Not even more utility was built by the Palestinians for themselves. Not even a hospital. Every cent of their aid went to war. 

 

Palestine has never got a fully autonomous state to judge its actions. Gaza has remained a more or less a refugee colony under siege. It area is approx 40 kms by 12 kms. It is not allowed to have an international airport, a decent commercial port, etc.

 

On top of that, the West Bank remains occupied where  illegal Israeli settlements (backed by powerful Jewish groups) is terrorizing the Palestinians there. Palestinians only control a handful of areas in the West Bank.

 

We cannot look at Gaza and West Bank in isolation. It cannot be like Gaza turns a blind eye and focuses on development despite the handicaps created by Israel and watches the West Bank slip away to Israeli occupation.

 

On top of that Israel receives billions of dollars from the US. These $$$ are funnelled back to US arms manufacturing companies. Palestine is also going to arm itself.

 

IMO, that is an unfair way to look at Palestine. 

 

Note that I do not support either group. If the situation was reversed where Israeli were in Gaza and the West Bank, with Palestinians occupying (directly or indirectly) those areas, I would have written the same thing for Israel instead of Palestine. 

 

 

https://gfx-data.news-engineering.aws.wapo.pub/ai2html/ISRAEL-1967/7SQCWD4H5VHXZIIRUGXR4HRXBM/2300-6-WestBank-Gaza.jpg

 

[vvvslaxman]

https://www.972mag.com/netanyahu-hamas-october-7-adam-raz/

 

Read this piece. This is an interview on how Netanyahu's evil mind worked and which led to undermining of his own country.  What he does is very different from what he says. He is not the leader you think he is.

 

 

Netanyahu is probably more harmful to Israel than Hamas themselves given how he enabled Hamas.

 

 

Edited November 13, 2024 by vvvslaxman

[zen]

I have already spoken about Israeli extremism, and that Netanyahu is an extremist not really focused on a peaceful solution. He is fighting cases in Israel and said to have influenced the assassination of the relatively peace oriented PM Rabin. 
 

He is likely to use any excuse to wipe out Palestinians. On the other side, Hamas has probably played its last cards to sacrifice everything in Gaza to force Israel to the table back to the two state solution.

 

The Trump administration is going to be another challenge for Palestine. But it is good that countries such as South Africa, Norway, Spain, Ireland, etc., have filed a case of genocide against Israel where more and more people are seeking a two state solution.

 

 

[bharathh]

35 minutes ago, zen said:

 

Palestine has never got a fully autonomous state to judge its actions. Gaza has remained a more or less a refugee colony under siege. It area is approx 40 kms by 12 kms. It is not allowed to have an international airport, a decent commercial port, etc.

 

On top of that, the West Bank remains occupied where  illegal Israeli settlements (backed by powerful Jewish groups) is terrorizing the Palestinians there. Palestinians only control a handful of areas in the West Bank.

 

We cannot look at Gaza and West Bank in isolation. It cannot be like Gaza turns a blind eye and focuses on development despite the handicaps created by Israel and watches the West Bank slip away to Israeli occupation.

 

On top of that Israel receives billions of dollars from the US. These $$$ are funnelled back to US arms manufacturing companies. Palestine is also going to arm itself.

 

IMO, that is an unfair way to look at Palestine. 

 

Note that I do not support either group. If the situation was reversed where Israeli were in Gaza and the West Bank, with Palestinians occupying (directly or indirectly) those areas, I would have written the same thing for Israel instead of Palestine. 

 

 

https://gfx-data.news-engineering.aws.wapo.pub/ai2html/ISRAEL-1967/7SQCWD4H5VHXZIIRUGXR4HRXBM/2300-6-WestBank-Gaza.jpg

 

 

The Palestinians have never wanted a state for themselves. They attacked Israel from before 1948 and continued to do so after. They are scum.

 

The Palestinians are so vile that the Jordanian king had to hire the Pak military to kill them as they were trying to overthrow him. They have basically ruined Lebanon. From the most modern and progressive country they are basically hostages of the Hezbollah that pretty much run the country in proxy. They are so unwelcome that Egypt refused to house them in the Sinai. For all the talk about Israel making Gaza an open-air prison - what no bleeding heart wants to acknowledge is that one border is sealed by Egypt and not by Israel. Why does the Ummah not question that? Why was that border not used to modernize Gaza in particular.

 

[zen]

7 minutes ago, bharathh said:

 

The Palestinians have never wanted a state for themselves. They attacked Israel from before 1948 and continued to do so after. They are scum.

 

The Palestinians are so vile that the Jordanian king had to hire the Pak military to kill them as they were trying to overthrow him. They have basically ruined Lebanon. From the most modern and progressive country they are basically hostages of the Hezbollah that pretty much run the country in proxy. They are so unwelcome that Egypt refused to house them in the Sinai. For all the talk about Israel making Gaza an open-air prison - what no bleeding heart wants to acknowledge is that one border is sealed by Egypt and not by Israel. Why does the Ummah not question that? Why was that border not used to modernize Gaza in particular.

 

Dehumanizing Palestinians (based on action of certain factions) will not make Israel right on its genocide related actions in Gaza. Nor does it justify encouraging illegal occupation of the West Bank. 

We are focused on the current scenario. Hamas has been criticized for its action. Israel has taken this to the next level and this could come back to haunt Israel. 

 

[bharathh]

This graph summarizes what the Palestinians face IMO. Nothing dehumanizing about it. Just the truth.

 

[zen]

18 minutes ago, bharathh said:

This graph summarizes what the Palestinians face IMO. Nothing dehumanizing about it. Just the truth.

 

Based on their “logic”, extremists in BD can make a chart for BD Hindus too for e.g. 

 

There is no end to such things 

[bharathh]

13 minutes ago, zen said:

Based on their “logic”, extremists in BD can make a chart for BD Hindus too for e.g. 

 

There is no end to such things 

 

What did the Hindus do in your opinion that is similar to the Oct 7 attacks? 

[zen]

1 minute ago, bharathh said:

 

What did the Hindus do in your opinion that is similar to the Oct 7 attacks? 

It is not me. It is those (like you) who want to dehumanize a community that will find a reason (or reasons). And like with you on the Palestinian, they will think they are correct.

 

 

[bharathh]

Just now, zen said:

It is not me. It is those (like you) who want to dehumanize a community that will find a reason (or reasons). And like with you on the Palestinian, they will think they are correct.

 

 

 

Sure - but since you specifically brought up this example - I'm sure you must have something in mind. Given the advanced EQ you have developed, you must have some insight into this.

[zen]

3 minutes ago, bharathh said:

 

Sure - but since you specifically brought up this example - I'm sure you must have something in mind. Given the advanced EQ you have developed, you must have some insight into this.

I don’t have anything in mind. It is a random example taken from “current events”.

 

[bharathh]

10 minutes ago, zen said:

I don’t have anything in mind. It is a random example taken from “current events”.

 

So the FA-FO graph is on the 0 scale in your example. 

[zen]

5 minutes ago, bharathh said:

So the FA-FO graph is on the 0 scale in your example. 

It is zero for your example too. 
 

Below even many Jews don’t support what Israel is doing: 
 

 

Edited November 13, 2024 by zen

[bharathh]

23 minutes ago, zen said:

It is zero for your example too. 
 

Below even many Jews don’t support what Israel is doing: 
 

 

 

So you think what happened on Oct 7 and the way that the common Palestinians celebrated the killings and kidnappings is a 0. Got it. 

[zen]

3 minutes ago, bharathh said:

 

So you think what happened on Oct 7 and the way that the common Palestinians celebrated the killings and kidnappings is a 0. Got it. 

 

No equivalence

 

[mishra]

5 hours ago, zen said:

 

No equivalence

 

Sop posting Adult videos. It say its age restricted for young uns like me

[coffee_rules]

What difference of one event on 10/7/23 made to Gaza. Open air prison earlier to Warn torn country

 

 

[coffee_rules]

Kanedians protesting Israeli occupation of Palestine. 
 

Jailed for blocking roads

 

 

[coffee_rules]

The first Intifada was in 1987

 

 

[bharathh]

1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

The first Intifada was in 1987

 

 

Should be sent to the bleeding hearts of this forum.