Pitch/Conditions in Ahmedabad are slightly concerning

[Need4Speed]

2 hours ago, the don said:

Kal hai match? Babar nay pehlay keh dia hai toss jo marzi jeetay batting humne kerni hai.

chase should have suited them..esp in dew..our Indian bowlers just give up lol..

[Need4Speed]

2 hours ago, the don said:

Kal hai match? Babar nay pehlay keh dia hai toss jo marzi jeetay batting humne kerni hai.

contradicting statements..you mean bowling or batting?

[Need4Speed]

5 hours ago, vice said:

This is like CT2017. teams were chasing well in the group stages.  IIRC, Ind lost to SL just prior to finals batting first and that likely influenced their decision to bowl first in the final.  

One thing to factor in is the pressure of chasing in Ind-Pak games.  There are a lot of variables i.e pitch, conditions, team strengths but  Pakistan have been poor chasers in pressure situations against India.
 If you bat first and score 350+ then chasing 350 is mammoth even if you factor in pressure with dew. Pitches play slower in the first innings like other venues so your spinners come in a bit and batting is on average more difficult than 2nd innnings.  
 In second innings, the new ball phase probably becomes crucial, if you don't lose wickets, and dew settling in after 20 overs, you're still in the game with spinners becoming less effective.
 
 The pitches have played better in the second innings so far in most of the matches. Even in first game Eng vs NZ, pitch became easier to bat on in 2nd innings

 

Batting first:
-Pitch could be slower,
-spinners in play more, ball may grip more for all bowlers.

 

Batting Second
- Factor in pressure of chasing..if chasing 350 range, you're on the backfoot
- New ball phase becomes the deciding factor, early loss of wickets and on the backfoot. Under lights, there's often some movement for pacers
- High probability of dew after 20 overs, spinners less effectve.  Ball was changed after 30 overs in first game
- Overall pitch plays better in 2nd innings.

 

It comes down to.
Pressure of chasing (if high score)  vs Dew (or just the pitch playing better in 2nd innings).

 

Choose your fight

 

yaar dew mei toh humare bowlers bilkul hi haath khade kr dete hain..aisa lagta hai poori duniya bhar ki dew inhe hi pareshaan krti hai..else one shud always bat first and put pressure on chasing team..

Edited October 13, 2023 by Need4Speed

[Need4Speed]

dew factor wala issue..is not for just this match..it can bite us against any team..and more so in knock outs..

[the don]

5 hours ago, Need4Speed said:

chase should have suited them..esp in dew..our Indian bowlers just give up lol..

Ohh i meant he wants to chase. Babar thinks the chasing side will have an advantage/

[Number]

16 minutes ago, the don said:

Ohh i meant he wants to chase. Babar thinks the chasing side will have an advantage/

Yes, I heard that. May be a bluff but from he said it looks like Pakistan will chase.

[cowboysfan]

pitch is supposed to be a belter according to Cricinfo,batting first may be the way to go.

[Nikhil_cric]

On 10/14/2023 at 12:58 AM, Nikhil_cric said:

And won comfortably. Chasing is the way to go. 

Thank God we chased here.

[vvvslaxman]

OP is spot on about it after first game

[deathmonger]

2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

OP is spot on about it after first game

2021 semis/finals

2023 semis/finals

 

Aus got best of conditions in all 4 games lol.

[srgadjon]

In a way BCCI kinda deserved this. Too much meddling in the game and they wanted the final at Modi stadium as well to make a political statement and to get brownie points ahead of elections. 

[nitinbwj]

On 10/14/2023 at 2:45 AM, Need4Speed said:

dew factor wala issue..is not for just this match..it can bite us against any team..and more so in knock outs..

 

[Pakistan]

On 10/13/2023 at 12:05 PM, Lord said:

Always bat first in a pressure game. 

No make the decision based on conditions.

[Pakistan]

4 hours ago, srgadjon said:

In a way BCCI kinda deserved this. Too much meddling in the game and they wanted the final at Modi stadium as well to make a political statement and to get brownie points ahead of elections. 

Why West Indies were not here? Was it punishment for knocking out Bharat in last tournament Bharat hosted so created bullshit qualification to stop them from World Cup?

[deathmonger]

12 minutes ago, Pakistan said:

Why West Indies were not here? Was it punishment for knocking out Bharat in last tournament Bharat hosted so created bullshit qualification to stop them from World Cup?

Chutiap trolling mat kar yaar.

 

I know you are rejoicing after 3-4 months of pain but like I have already noticed throughout time - the Pakistan cricket team's performance also brings the joy of Pakistani fans down. In 3 weeks time you will be getting spanked by Australia lol.

[Frustrated]

7 minutes ago, Pakistan said:

Why West Indies were not here? Was it punishment for knocking out Bharat in last tournament Bharat hosted so created bullshit qualification to stop them from World Cup?

LMAO.   There is a limit and method to Trolling.  We know from where you are coming.   But asking stupid di**head questions shows the IQ level of your retarded zaahil koum as a whole.  Windies (despite being a sh**ty team) beat the hell out of your Lumber 1 team Pakistan in 2019WC.  Why would Bharat want Windies eliminated?   It was Ned who beat Windies in ICC qualifiers to book a spot in this WC.  And that match was held in Zimbabwe.  

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-cricket-world-cup-qualifier-2023-1377745/netherlands-vs-west-indies-18th-match-group-a-1377763/full-scorecard

[Pakistan]

3 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

LMAO.   There is a limit and method to Trolling.  We know from where you are coming.   But asking stupid di**head questions shows the IQ level of your retarded zaahil koum as a whole.  Windies (despite being a sh**ty team) beat the hell out of your Lumber 1 team Pakistan in 2019WC.  Why would Bharat want Windies eliminated?   It was Ned who beat Windies in ICC qualifiers to book a spot in this WC.  And that match was held in Zimbabwe.  

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-cricket-world-cup-qualifier-2023-1377745/netherlands-vs-west-indies-18th-match-group-a-1377763/full-scorecard

Do not invite Aus next time.

[Pakistan]

4 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

LMAO.   There is a limit and method to Trolling.  We know from where you are coming.   But asking stupid di**head questions shows the IQ level of your retarded zaahil koum as a whole.  Windies (despite being a sh**ty team) beat the hell out of your Lumber 1 team Pakistan in 2019WC.  Why would Bharat want Windies eliminated?   It was Ned who beat Windies in ICC qualifiers to book a spot in this WC.  And that match was held in Zimbabwe.  

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-cricket-world-cup-qualifier-2023-1377745/netherlands-vs-west-indies-18th-match-group-a-1377763/full-scorecard

Ex World Champions should not have to go through these bullshit Qualification especially when cricket limited to so few countries.

[deathmonger]

2 minutes ago, Pakistan said:

Do not invite Aus next time.

Pak shouldn't come. They don't come to play cricket. Just to eat biryani (superior to Pak biryani).

 

Just collect biryani at wagah border next time - kolkata, lucknow, hyderabadi all variants.

[Pakistan]

10 minutes ago, deathmonger said:

Chutiap trolling mat kar yaar.

 

I know you are rejoicing after 3-4 months of pain but like I have already noticed throughout time - the Pakistan cricket team's performance also brings the joy of Pakistani fans down. In 3 weeks time you will be getting spanked by Australia lol.

Our team is crap we took a wrong captain left real captain and generational talent Amir at home or we would be playing you in this final. We still have Aussie more challenge compare to your team in big final.