India 2011 WC team vs India 2023 WC team

[vayuu1]

I'd take just 3 player from 11 squad zaheer, dhoni and yuvi 

Imagine this team 

Rohit

Gill 

Virat 

Yuvi(11)

Rahul 

Hardik 

Dhoni(11) 

Zak

Shami

Kuldeep

Bumrah 

12th man siraj 

 

 

[Majestic]

Rohit

Sachin

Gambhir

Virat(2023)

Yuvi

MSD

Jadeja

Zak

Shami

Bumrah

Kuldeep

 

2011- Sachin, Gambhir, Yuvi, MSD, Zak

Rest 6 names from 2023.

[nikrulz]

Yuvraj was a great Part time Bowler. Man of the series with Bat and Bowl.

 

2011 Munaf Patel and Sreesanth a bit of a weaklink.

2023 Bowling is near Flawless.

 

2011 Batting side was more set.

2023 is good but there is uncertainty with our 6th and 7th Options with Injury to Pandya

[Vijy]

I would take 2023 overall. but there are several players from 2011 I would want

[putrevus]

15 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

Rohit, Kohli are best ODI batsmen ever. Only comparable batsman from 2011 is SRT.

 

Gill likely to surpass Sehwag, Gambhir or any ODI other opener that we had.

 

Iyer, Rahul are as good as middle of MO of 2011.

 

SKY is only weak link.

 

There was no batsman like Jaddu in 2011.

The only thing was then Raina could bat at number 7 so they batted deep on paper.

 

But they scored 260 in semifnal that after Raina Sehwag scored 21 runs in Gul's one over. For 49 overs with 7 full batsmen they could only score 240 runs against a weak Pakistan bowling attack.

 

No way 2011 was better than 2023 batting lineup.

[BlueBlood]

Our 2023 bowling has not been under pressure like Afghans were against Maxwell today.

 

Remember, we only have 5 bowlers. One bowler having an off day means easy 300+ score by opposition batting first.

 

It's just that SENA teams are unable to acclimatize to the Indian conditions and also having poor spinners.

 

Zampa's performances outshadow NZ and SA spinners. But he is nowhere near Kuldeep or even Jaddu.

 

This is precisely why even MSD couldn't replicate 2011 performances overseas again. India is invincible when Jaddu or Yuvi excels as you can then play him as a premier bowler and add an extra bowler like Shami into the mix or an extra batter like SKY.

 

SA was invincible for a period of time when Kallis and Klusener were on their prime for this exact reason. New Zealand when Chris Cairns was in his prime.

[BlueBlood]

21 minutes ago, putrevus said:

The only thing was then Raina could bat at number 7 so they batted deep on paper.

 

But they scored 260 in semifnal that after Raina Sehwag scored 21 runs in Gul's one over. For 49 overs with 7 full batsmen they could only score 240 runs against a weak Pakistan bowling attack.

 

No way 2011 was better than 2023 batting lineup.

 

Times are different. Pitches are different and even team compositions are different.

 

T20 completely changed the dynamic of ODI cricket also. It created belief that any total is achievable.

 

Comparing to the past is like comparing old school Chess players with newer age players who learned from the past and improved their skills.

[putrevus]

6 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

 

Times are different. Pitches are different and even team compositions are different.

 

T20 completely changed the dynamic of ODI cricket also. It created belief that any total is achievable.

 

Comparing to the past is like comparing old school Chess players with newer age players who learned from the past and improved their skills.

What are you talking about? 2011 was not 50 years ago. T20 was played then also. 

 

Yuvraj played the greatest t20 innings in 2007 and no Indian has topped that t20 innings.They just buckled under presure of the match ( which is understandable BTW) losing was not an option and they were lucky bowlers and Misbah bailed them out.

Edited November 7, 2023 by putrevus

[BlueBlood]

55 minutes ago, putrevus said:

What are you talking about? 2011 was not 50 years ago. T20 was played then also. 

 

Yuvraj played the greatest t20 innings in 2007 and no Indian has topped that t20 innings.They just buckled under presure of the match ( which is understandable BTW) losing was not an option and they were lucky bowlers and Misbah bailed them out.

 

ODI cricket is a dying art.

 

Afghanistan team is perfect example of it where if this was a T20 tournament they would have won the games they lost due to not understanding how to play 50 over cricket.

 

The same for SL, Ban, ENG. They are unable to adapt to T20 cricket.

 

Barring Kohli, Iyer and KL (who sucks as a T20 player but is a GOAT in ODI) we also have poor ODI specialists in our team. SKY is a perfect example of someone unable to bring his T20 style over to 50 over cricket.

 

This is what's happening across the board for all teams now.

 

West Indies didn't even qualify for this world cup as none of their players adapted over or have any interest in 50 over cricket any more.

 

In 2011 we had close calls against top teams because the players were 50 over specialists and showed tremendous interest in ODI's. Not the case today.

 

 

[putrevus]

2 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

 

ODI cricket is a dying art.

 

Afghanistan team is perfect example of it where if this was a T20 tournament they would have won the games they lost due to not understanding how to play 50 over cricket.

 

The same for SL, Ban, ENG. They are unable to adapt to T20 cricket.

 

Barring Kohli, Iyer and KL (who sucks as a T20 player but is a GOAT in ODI) we also have poor ODI specialists in our team. SKY is a perfect example of someone unable to bring his T20 style over to 50 over cricket.

 

This is what's happening across the board for all teams now.

 

West Indies didn't even qualify for this world cup as none of their players adapted over or have any interest in 50 over cricket any more.

 

In 2011 we had close calls against top teams because the players were 50 over specialists and showed tremendous interest in ODI's. Not the case today.

 

 

What are trying to say.what is even your point.

[BlueBlood]

33 minutes ago, putrevus said:

What are trying to say.what is even your point.

point is 2011 had better quality teams playing than today

 

Same way as before helmets - fast bowlers bowling even at 135kph bouncers were more dangerous than 150kph bowlers today.

 

Can't compare different eras and say today's era is better.

 

Not sure what gripe you have against me? Why so serious?

[RedFever]

20 hours ago, rangeelaraja said:

You guys got it wrong. 
 

Overall 2011 batting is not > 2023.

 

The average of top 5 of 2023 team is  50+ - just check the numbers .

 

That’s a hell lot more than 2011. 
 

SRT averaged highest in 2011 team which was 45. 
 

Overall 2011 top 5 average was much much lower than 2023 

Top 5 of 2023 >> top 5 2011. 

 

The main difference is unreliable 6-7 in 2023 vs. 2011. 

 

Raina and Yuvi were GUNS. Always scored clutch runs. SKY and Jaddu are not in that league. 

Overall I would say even 2023 batting is slightly better than 2011. This would truly manifest if SKY and Gill played the game we know they can. 

 

Raina at no 7 was the difference, major upgrade over our current no.7 Jadeja. And Yuvraj, Sachin, Sehwag combination could easily complete the quota of 10 overs for the fifth bowler, which the current team is lacking.

[putrevus]

14 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

point is 2011 had better quality teams playing than today

 

Same way as before helmets - fast bowlers bowling even at 135kph bouncers were more dangerous than 150kph bowlers today.

 

Can't compare different eras and say today's era is better.

 

Not sure what gripe you have against me? Why so serious?

First I have no gripe against you.

 

Second 2011 had equal number bad teams and good teams also.  2011 like  I said was was not 50 years ago so to call it different era is simply wrong.

 

If 2023 Indian team has to play with 2011 Indian team with  2011 rules, it would smash them.But we need to wait till this version to win the cup.They were winners so comparing them has to be done only after 2023 wins the title.

[Lord]

Combined XI

 

Sachin

Rohit

Kohli

Yuvi

Dhoni

Raina

Jaddu

Shami

Zak

Bumrah

Kuldeep

 

[Dil Dil India]

On 11/7/2023 at 7:48 AM, vayuu1 said:

I'd take just 3 player from 11 squad zaheer, dhoni and yuvi 

Imagine this team 

Rohit

Gill 

Virat 

Yuvi(11)

Rahul 

Hardik 

Dhoni(11) 

Zak

Shami

Kuldeep

Bumrah 

12th man siraj 

 

 

Gil over tendulkar? Lol

[The Hound]

2011 batting >>

2023 bowling >>

 

It comes down to captaincy then Thala >>> any captain ever 

[Vijy]

On 11/8/2023 at 9:49 AM, Lord said:

Combined XI

 

Sachin

Rohit

Kohli

Yuvi

Dhoni

Raina

Jaddu

Shami

Zak

Bumrah

Kuldeep

 

very good team IMO. I have only one change to make myself: gambhir for jadeja.  Raina, Yuvi, and SRT can fill the 10 overs.

 

sachin

rohit

kohli

gambhir --> an underrated clutch MO batter (Yuvi at 4 would be a bit too high perhaps)

Yuvi

Dhongi

Raina

Shami

Bumrah

Zak/Siraj

Kuldeep

[deathmonger]

On 11/7/2023 at 10:00 AM, rangeelaraja said:

You guys got it wrong. 
 

Overall 2011 batting is not > 2023.

 

The average of top 5 of 2023 team is  50+ - just check the numbers .

 

That’s a hell lot more than 2011. 
 

SRT averaged highest in 2011 team which was 45. 
 

Overall 2011 top 5 average was much much lower than 2023 

Top 5 of 2023 >> top 5 2011. 

 

The main difference is unreliable 6-7 in 2023 vs. 2011. 

 

Raina and Yuvi were GUNS. Always scored clutch runs. SKY and Jaddu are not in that league. 

Overall I would say even 2023 batting is slightly better than 2011. This would truly manifest if SKY and Gill played the game we know they can. 

 

Naah there has been runs inflation post 2 new ball rule. Add 10 to the averages of the 2011 team or subtract 10 from the 2023 team.

 

 

 

[deathmonger]

On 11/7/2023 at 10:00 AM, rangeelaraja said:

You guys got it wrong. 
 

Overall 2011 batting is not > 2023.

 

The average of top 5 of 2023 team is  50+ - just check the numbers .

 

That’s a hell lot more than 2011. 
 

SRT averaged highest in 2011 team which was 45. 
 

Overall 2011 top 5 average was much much lower than 2023 

Top 5 of 2023 >> top 5 2011. 

 

The main difference is unreliable 6-7 in 2023 vs. 2011. 

 

Raina and Yuvi were GUNS. Always scored clutch runs. SKY and Jaddu are not in that league. 

Overall I would say even 2023 batting is slightly better than 2011. This would truly manifest if SKY and Gill played the game we know they can. 

 

Naah there has been runs inflation post 2 new ball rule. Add 10 to the averages of the 2011 team or subtract 10 from the 2023 team.

 

 

 

[deathmonger]

On 11/7/2023 at 9:22 AM, cricspirit said:

If I have to make a team from those two editions of the World cup, I will choose.

 

Rohit  

Sehwag

Kohli

Sachin

Yuvraj 

Dhoni (WK/Captain)

Jadeja

Zaheer

Shami

Kuldeep 

Bumrah

 

I end up selecting 5 from each edition and Kohli is common to both.

 

As others have pointed out Batting was more well rounded in 2011 and losing 3 wickets wont give people a heart attack. Specially if Virat and Rohit are gone.. lol. We still would have Yuvraj, Kohli, Dhoni and Raina who could just chase by themselves. Plus I think Harbhajan and Zaheer could bat.Another plus was left hander in top 5 in form or Yuvi.

 

Bowling department however is so much stronger in 2023 with no gaps.  It does help 2011 that Sachin, Sehwag, Yuvraj  were capable bowlers and could fill in lot of overs. Yuvraj bowled regularly and picked wickets. Raina could bowl if necessary. I feel the 2011 teams of other countries were better. We had West Indies and SL was a much stronger team. May be 2023 bowling would not blow away those teams as much. 

 

Overall I will choose 2023 team if I have to pick one. 2023 batting is not bad even if Iyer, KLR, SKY dont provide as much confidence and last 4 wickets may collapse for 10 runs.  Reason is Indian bowling is able to give back better than others when conditions are bowler friendly. 

 

Bat first - Less pressure and I feel confident that bowlers can win it for us even if batters score below 200 as they are doing now. Even if 2011 team scored 300 plus, I would not be confident that the bowlers can win it for us.

 

Bat Second - 2023 Bowlers do not allow the team to make 350 or something that is daunting on the pitch and then batters will likely chase it more often than not. More confidence because of current Virat form and experience. 2011 had a better middle order to chase higher totals but I see this scenario playing out less. Hopefully not this SF or Final... lol ..  I know 2023 team is yet to win the cup but that's the team I will chose if lets say we don't know the results and I have to pick one team to play Semi Final.

 

65% - 35%  Confidence in 2023 vs 2011 team.

 

If I can borrow just 2 players from 2011 team then I will take Sachin and Yuvraj and put them at no.4 instead of Iyer and No.6 instead of SKY.  That make is awesome and even losing openers cheaply would mean nothing with two players competing for GOAT coming in next. Yuvraj will solve the 6th bowler option with ease.  Next players to switch are Dhoni, Sehwag and Zaheer in that order for the combined team I put together.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dude Dhoni in for KLR

 

I know a lot of people soured on Dhoni for his last few years but 2004-15 Dhoni was one of the clutchest players of all. Dhoni is a top 10 ODI bat ever.

 

Combine XI will have 4 of the top 10 ODI bats ever - Rohit, Kohli, Dhoni, SRT