Match ka mujrim

[coffee_rules]

4 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Ahmedabad shouldn't be hosting any important game. Dumb cricket association, clueless curators.

Ok, when you become the secretary or president of BCCI implement that policy. 

[Texan]

56 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Totally. After losing the toss, Rohit openly took  anti-depressant pills showing his displeasure at losing the all important toss. 

But he was going to bat first anyway

[Texan]

41 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Ahmedabad shouldn't be hosting any important game. Dumb cricket association, clueless curators.

What's wrong with the pitch? Head got century at SR 110+ on same pitch. Don't blame limitations or inability of pur players to play under pressure on shortcomings with the pitch

[Laaloo]

1 hour ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Ahmedabad shouldn't be hosting any important game. Dumb cricket association, clueless curators.

Why not? 

[DeepSpace]

Dravid. Could not get the players in the right frame of mind. They either chickened out before the game or got too complacent.

[Ultimate_Game]

52 minutes ago, DeepSpace said:

Dravid. Could not get the players in the right frame of mind. They either chickened out before the game or got too complacent.

 

The team played like its coach - timid and defensive

[Khota]

Rahul Dravid.

 

Man is a moron.

 

Need to introduce Analytics and AI on the field. 

Edited November 20, 2023 by Khota

[coffee_rules]

2 hours ago, Texan said:

But he was going to bat first anyway

That was my point that their body language suggested otherwise, I doubt that had they won the toss, he would choose to bat first after knowing about it he dew. He was just being brave and keeping up appearances for the camera 

Edited November 20, 2023 by coffee_rules

[Ultimate_Game]

2 hours ago, Texan said:

But he was going to bat first anyway

 

Don't think so. He was putting on a brave face. We've seen enough matches at this venue in IPL and we chose to bowl first against Pakistan at the same venue, and it was the same pitch which was used.  Rohit knew immediately that India will have to score north of 300 on this pitch to make a match of it defending under lights. But once Rohit and Iyer fell in quick succession that dream was over and it was back to scoring 250 and hoping for the best.

[coffee_rules]

WAU joke, Australians can rejoice as much for winning, they can’t open the champagne bottle in Gujarat

[Texan]

1 hour ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Don't think so. He was putting on a brave face. We've seen enough matches at this venue in IPL and we chose to bowl first against Pakistan at the same venue, and it was the same pitch which was used.  Rohit knew immediately that India will have to score north of 300 on this pitch to make a match of it defending under lights. But once Rohit and Iyer fell in quick succession that dream was over and it was back to scoring 250 and hoping for the best.

 

1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

That was my point that their body language suggested otherwise, I doubt that had they won the toss, he would choose to bat first after knowing about it he dew. He was just being brave and keeping up appearances for the camera 

I highly doubt it. I believe he would have batted. In a pressure match, getting runs on the board was his go-to-strategy.

 

We should stop blaming the pitch for the loss just like we should not accept pitch complaints when we win at home. As an international player, you need to be able to adapt. We would have most likely lost if batting second too. You can't keep playing cricket with a mental midget mentality where every time you see a couple of wickets fall, you go into a complete shell. Batsmen need to learn to still hit a few boundary shots. Otherwise, you just allow the bowling to dominate. 

 

It's high time we start investing in multi dimensional players. We are still playing 90s brand of cricket where batsmen only bat and bowlers only bowl. This means that when we encounter a slightly unfavorable situation, we become ultra defensive.

 

Not a single batsman of ours is capable of bowling 5-6 overs. Contrast this with the last 2 World Cup champions - Aus and Eng. Aus had 7 players who could credibly bowl 5-6 overs (I am not even counting Steve Smith in this list who actually started his career as a leg spin bowler) and they batted all the way till 9. No. 8 and 9 took them over the finish line in the seni-finals. Ditto Eng in 2019. 

 

Here we have a situation where none of our batsmen can even credibly bowl 2-3 overs. Even in the past we had Sehwag, Sachin, Ajay Jadeja, Raina, Yuvraj who could bowl a few overs. Now, we have nothing. Without Pandya in the team, we were always chasing our tail. Our batting line up ffom 8 to 11 are all genuine number 11s.  This cannot work in the long term. 

 

Focusing on the pitch is just going to hide all these severe shortcomings that we have. To be honest, we overachieved in this World Cup because for the most part until the final, the batsmen were doing their job and the bowlers were doing theirs. We did not encounter a situation where we would need some help from the bowlers to bat or the batsmen to bowl. It was bound to happen one day and happened in the final. 

[vishalvirsingh]

Siraj was not at his peak, Ashwin should have been played in the final. Coaching team should have known Ashwin gets a lot of sena wickets on Indian tracks. 

These guys are pretty good at facing pace but top spinners know how to get them.

Remem Ash was always getting Warner n Australian wickets

[vishalvirsingh]

4 hours ago, DeepSpace said:

Dravid. Could not get the players in the right frame of mind. They either chickened out before the game or got too complacent.

Kind of agree siraj and shammi , kuldeep and jaddu underperformed.

 Kuldeep and jaddu  did not get a single wicket... Probably no one was standing in slips n dravid did not suggest Rohit on this. Premium spinner and no slips... Why

[Ultimate_Game]

3 hours ago, Texan said:

 

I highly doubt it. I believe he would have batted. In a pressure match, getting runs on the board was his go-to-strategy.

 

We should stop blaming the pitch for the loss just like we should not accept pitch complaints when we win at home. As an international player, you need to be able to adapt. We would have most likely lost if batting second too. You can't keep playing cricket with a mental midget mentality where every time you see a couple of wickets fall, you go into a complete shell. Batsmen need to learn to still hit a few boundary shots. Otherwise, you just allow the bowling to dominate. 

 

It's high time we start investing in multi dimensional players. We are still playing 90s brand of cricket where batsmen only bat and bowlers only bowl. This means that when we encounter a slightly unfavorable situation, we become ultra defensive.

 

Not a single batsman of ours is capable of bowling 5-6 overs. Contrast this with the last 2 World Cup champions - Aus and Eng. Aus had 7 players who could credibly bowl 5-6 overs (I am not even counting Steve Smith in this list who actually started his career as a leg spin bowler) and they batted all the way till 9. No. 8 and 9 took them over the finish line in the seni-finals. Ditto Eng in 2019. 

 

Here we have a situation where none of our batsmen can even credibly bowl 2-3 overs. Even in the past we had Sehwag, Sachin, Ajay Jadeja, Raina, Yuvraj who could bowl a few overs. Now, we have nothing. Without Pandya in the team, we were always chasing our tail. Our batting line up ffom 8 to 11 are all genuine number 11s.  This cannot work in the long term. 

 

Focusing on the pitch is just going to hide all these severe shortcomings that we have. To be honest, we overachieved in this World Cup because for the most part until the final, the batsmen were doing their job and the bowlers were doing theirs. We did not encounter a situation where we would need some help from the bowlers to bat or the batsmen to bowl. It was bound to happen one day and happened in the final. 

 

Pitch was a factor in losing the match but not the only reason. With the start we got - scoring 80 runs in the first 10, we should've managed 280-290 even if we had scored at a rate of 5 overs an over, which shouldn't have been impossible. Our batsmen failed, and that's it. If we had failed defending 280-290, it would've been a different story.

[Downtown]

16 hours ago, Texan said:

Let's not blame the pitch for this. As you can see from Head's innings, if one can apply themselves well, runs come easy. We all knew coming into this World Cup that this team is full of chokers. Ever since the World T20 final in 2014, we have been choking each and every time in every final. One CT final, two WTC finals and now one WC final. It was very much on expected lines.

 

In order to get past this, we have to first get past the guys we pick in the team that have been part of multiple failures. Unfortunately for us, even the new guys we have like Gill don't give a lot of confidence. Its going to take a lot of digging to find the players with the right mindset that have the ability to perform under pressure. Just look at the example of Travis Head. He is not a player who is hyped much at all and doesn't even play all the matches, but when needed in crucial games, he puts his hand up and makes it count. These are the kind of players we need to start investing in. No point in playing players who can score 50 - 60 hundreds but nothing when it matters most.

Who are such players in our Indian setup?