nevada Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, nitinbwj said: No matter what his experience is, should have tried Rinku. Slowly turning out to be a gun batter and clutch mentality. 50 times better than SKY for sure. Rinku is another young player who was overlooked just because it's a world cup. He and Jaiswal deserved to be part of the squad. Link to comment
nitinbwj Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, nevada said: Rinku is another young player who was overlooked just because it's a world cup. He and Jaiswal deserved to be part of the squad. Jaiswal is more destructive than Gill. Link to comment
nevada Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 1 minute ago, nitinbwj said: Jaiswal is more destructive than Gill. And left handed. Needs to take Rohit's spot now. nitinbwj 1 Link to comment
sensible-indian Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 3 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said: So that's my point . They were the team loaded with batting "allrounders" and that balance worked fine. They always go that route and always pays off for them . Also they played only 1 specialist spinner. ODI cricket has always been about that. Batting allrounders and quicks. Selecting 3 specialist spinners and then playing shardul thakur as a bowling allrounder are the kind of ideas India needs to get rid of at least by 2027. I agree with you. You are right. 2 points tho. 1. Our issue was we didnt have those resources and we didnt groom them so we had to make do with hat we got. 2. If you compare their attack with ours.. They had 3 genuine pacers...starc, hazlewood and cummins We had 3 genuine pacers....bumrah, shami and siraj They had 1 AR pacer...mitch marsh We had Pandya before injury They had 1 genuine spinner...zampa We had Kuldeep. So far its the same. They had 2 batsmen who could bowl part time spin...Maxwell and Head... We didnt have that..instead we had a Jaddu who could bowl better than them but not bat as well as them. --- Ideally if we had a pure batsmen who could roll over his arms and take the place of Jaddu with Pandya in the xi ...that would have served better... But Pandya got injured and we didnt have a Yuvi type bowler. --- Even then we would have lost cos our batting was imbalanced. Iyer can smash spin but is horrible against genuine pace and bounce. Sky is so unproven. Kohli can only accumulate. Kl gets stuck and only smashes in the end. The moment Gill and Rohit got out...and cummins snagged Iyer, the game was mostly done. We seriously need a better batting lineup that isnt so limited. Had India bowled first, we would have won and Aussies wpuld be lamenting about their horrible batting lineup. Link to comment
Nikhil_cric Posted November 20, 2023 Author Share Posted November 20, 2023 1 minute ago, sensible-indian said: I agree with you. You are right. 2 points tho. 1. Our issue was we didnt have those resources and we didnt groom them so we had to make do with hat we got. 2. If you compare their attack with ours.. They had 3 genuine pacers...starc, hazlewood and cummins We had 3 genuine pacers....bumrah, shami and siraj They had 1 AR pacer...mitch marsh We had Pandya before injury They had 1 genuine spinner...zampa We had Kuldeep. So far its the same. They had 2 batsmen who could bowl part time spin...Maxwell and Head... We didnt have that..instead we had a Jaddu who could bowl better than them but not bat as well as them. --- Ideally if we had a pure batsmen who could roll over his arms and take the place of Jaddu with Pandya in the xi ...that would have served better... But Pandya got injured and we didnt have a Yuvi type bowler. --- Even then we would have lost cos our batting was imbalanced. Iyer can smash spin but is horrible against genuine pace and bounce. Sky is so unproven. Kohli can only accumulate. Kl gets stuck and only smashes in the end. The moment Gill and Rohit got out...and cummins snagged Iyer, the game was mostly done. We seriously need a better batting lineup that isnt so limited. Had India bowled first, we would have won and Aussies wpuld be lamenting about their horrible batting lineup. My only point is we should develop batting all-rounders going forward by having them bowl more. sensible-indian 1 Link to comment
sensible-indian Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said: My only point is we should develop batting all-rounders going forward by having them bowl more. Totally. Anyone there in the pipeline or is it slim pickings there too? Link to comment
Nikhil_cric Posted November 20, 2023 Author Share Posted November 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said: My only point is we should develop batting all-rounders going forward by having them bowl more. Also @sensible-indian , it is beyond any doubt now that a batting-heavy balance is without question a better balance to play. So, it is much more imperative to develop batting all-rounders than bowling all-rounders which is always riskier. sensible-indian 1 Link to comment
Nikhil_cric Posted November 20, 2023 Author Share Posted November 20, 2023 1 minute ago, sensible-indian said: Totally. Anyone there in the pipeline or is it slim pickings there too? If not there, they have to start bowling now. The likes of Travis Head did not start off as all-rounders. He only started increasing bowling workloads recently. If not available, they have to be manufactured with the likes of Tilak bowling more in every bilateral Riyan is a ready-made #6 but there;s too much irrational hate for him. Lord and sensible-indian 1 1 Link to comment
singhvivek141 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, sensible-indian said: Totally. Anyone there in the pipeline or is it slim pickings there too? Abhishek Sharma Riyan Parag Tilak Varma Yashasvi Jaiswal can bowl too Rinku can bowl as well Abdul Samad Nikhil_cric, sensible-indian and rollingstoned 2 1 Link to comment
Lord Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 He failed but also wasn't used well by TM. Atleast 2-3 times there was opportunity to send him in last 10-12 overs and they sent someone else. It would have given him confidence and match practice.Its like they were forced to play him. Could have played Kishan Even Ash could have come in for him in final on that pitch/ IndianRenegade 1 Link to comment
nitinbwj Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 It really hurts that we were actually just one wicket away. Link to comment
IndianRenegade Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 The only time he played a decent no of balls before the final was against Eng. team stayed rigid with no change the it’s line up when we had the chance to experiment then started experimenting in the finals tinkering the batting & bowling orders. whenever we do this in a KO match we are screwed. Link to comment
IndianRenegade Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, nitinbwj said: It really hurts that we were actually just one wicket away. Doubtful but horrible strategy of waiting for them to make a mistake rather than plugging the gaps and adding slips. nitinbwj 1 Link to comment
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