In the hindsight, did Kishan get a raw deal when SKY was selected ahead of him?

[vvvslaxman]

SKY has displayed his inability to bat in 90% of the ODI scenarios. But Team management persisted with him for his "X-factor" game in T20.  Even he himself admitted that he is still adapting to ODI format. Yea at the age of 33. Adapting himself.  Ofcourse Kishan would have been more useful. One more important thing is India team doesn't even trust him for more than 10 overs. Hence they don't want to lose wickets before 40th over. Hence slow tuk tuk. If it were Kishan probaly they would have trusted him more.  So much so they sent Jadeja ahead of SKY. He completely screwed up the balance of the side due to his limitations in this format. I always knew in back of the mind this is a cardinal blunder they are backing this guy. But i was just hoping he would turn it around.  That was not to be.

[R!TTER]

22 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

One more important thing is India team doesn't even trust him for more than 10 overs.

That's the issue with this TM, if you can't trust a batter in top 6 to bat 20 overs then what the * are you having him in this team for? Including him in tests was even more ridiculous

[Sean Bradley]

A very good insight, Over confidence on SKYs abilities, Kishan would have probably added a few more on that pitch. Guy is a double centurion.

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, Sooda said:

 

If SKY is to feature in ODIs it has to be at 6 as a finisher. I can see TM want to give him a long run there, certainly has the ability for it. 

I would rather have him a T20 specialist only instead of playing as finisher in ODI's. It takes some ability to bat with tail & I think SKY don't have it atm..also he is around 33 so couple of years down the line this investment might give negative returns.

 

Rinku is the best bet for no 6, plays as a finisher and is only 26 years old. Is a gun fielder as well.

Abhinav Manohar & Abdul Samad are other 2 behind him who have power hitting ability, not sure how they can bat with the tail but they're a no 6 batter for their teams.

[singhvivek141]

8 minutes ago, Sean Bradley said:

A very good insight, Over confidence on SKYs abilities, Kishan would have probably added a few more on that pitch. Guy is a double centurion.

Kishan would have to bat at 6 or 7 then, I really doubt he has game for that. He is a boundry dependent batter. Not that SKY has set any gold standard though.

Edited November 21, 2023 by singhvivek141

[vvvslaxman]

9 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Kishan would have to bat at 6 or 7 then, I really doubt he has game for that. He is a boundry dependent batter. Not that SKY has set any gold standard though.

I think Kishan would have come ahead of Jadeja if he were in the side. Because SKY cannot bat for too long they sent Jadeja ahead of him. Suddenly SKY at 6.  He didn't even know how to farm the strike with tail. He was feeding strike to tail willingly every first ball.

[Serpico]

Skill issue is one thing but whats up with not farming strike? Even a layman understands that concept.. idiot repeatedly exposed bumrah, shami and siraj to reverse swinging starc. 

 

We use the c-word too often but SKY's innings was like textbook definition of choke. Just lost all braincells under pressure 

[mishra]

Someone told me that even Rinku Singh has higher connect to miss ratio then SKY.

 

However, when Gill went to bat, His facial expressions  looked so much tentative that even Missus observed, He will get out cheaply today.

 

Kohli was sleeping when first ball went through slips.

 

I think All 11 players were under pressure and it reflected in game as well as in field.

Edited November 21, 2023 by mishra

[Trichromatic]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

SKY has displayed his inability to bat in 90% of the ODI scenarios. But Team management persisted with him for his "X-factor" game in T20.  Even he himself admitted that he is still adapting to ODI format. Yea at the age of 33. Adapting himself.  Ofcourse Kishan would have been more useful. One more important thing is India team doesn't even trust him for more than 10 overs. Hence they don't want to lose wickets before 40th over. Hence slow tuk tuk. If it were Kishan probaly they would have trusted him more.  So much so they sent Jadeja ahead of SKY. He completely screwed up the balance of the side due to his limitations in this format. I always knew in back of the mind this is a cardinal blunder they are backing this guy. But i was just hoping he would turn it around.  That was not to be.

 

When Kohli was dismissed, India were 148-4 in 28 overs. Most of the teams will look for 280+ score from that with 2 specialist batsmen and tail.

 

India by sending Jadeja had already given up on batting line up as if they were 6 down.

[vvvslaxman]

Ashwin definitely has a wood over all these aussies. Should have been played in place of Siraj moment they saw a slow tacky pitch. Siraj is a good bowler. But highly unsuitable for a  pitch liek this. He lacks height to get natural slow ball bouncer. Prasidh probably would have been better. 

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

When Kohli was dismissed, India were 148-4 in 28 overs. Most of the teams will look for 280+ score from that with 2 specialist batsmen and tail.

 

India by sending Jadeja had already given up on batting line up as if they were 6 down.

 

If they had considered SKY as a genuine batsman they would have sent him there. They themselves consider him as a cameo king. Jadeja himself is batting one spot above. Sending him at 6 is two spots above. India luckily had all 5 firing up until the final. 

[Tillu]

3 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

When Kohli was dismissed, India were 148-4 in 28 overs. Most of the teams will look for 280+ score from that with 2 specialist batsmen and tail.

 

India by sending Jadeja had already given up on batting line up as if they were 6 down.

 

And Jadeja is the biggest fake all rounder the world has seen. Aussies don't call Starc and Cummins allrounders who are better bowlers and batsmen than Jadeja.

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, Tillu said:

 

And Jadeja is the biggest fake all rounder the world has seen. Aussies don't call Starc and Cummins allrounders who are better bowlers and batsmen than Jadeja.

 

Cummins has won 2 matches in the world cup with bat and 1 test match in England

[vvvslaxman]

Moral of the story:  Not all bubble gum chewers are Viv Richards

[singhvivek141]

10 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Ashwin definitely has a wood over all these aussies. Should have been played in place of Siraj moment they saw a slow tacky pitch. Siraj is a good bowler. But highly unsuitable for a  pitch liek this. He lacks height to get natural slow ball bouncer. Prasidh probably would have been better. 

If I being selfish, I am happy that Praisdh didn't play the finals.

 

He hasn't played any game in WC..not even against Netherlands, under pressure on that dead pitch it would have been too much for him, and had he gotten flopped...this would have been one of the sacrificial lamb.

[singhvivek141]

9 minutes ago, Tillu said:

 

And Jadeja is the biggest fake all rounder the world has seen. Aussies don't call Starc and Cummins allrounders who are better bowlers and batsmen than Jadeja.

Jadeja was always a Test allrounder..he isnt suited for ODI & T20's as he really panicks under pressure.

No issues with his batting technique, but he is just not mentally strong.

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, singhvivek141 said:

Jadeja was always a Test allrounder..he isnt suited for ODI & T20's as he really panicks under pressure.

No issues with his batting technique, but he is just not mentally strong.

He is good for chases when t he asking rate is around 5 or below. That is pretty much it. Expecting him to provide impetus in the backend is never going to work.

[Tillu]

17 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Jadeja was always a Test allrounder..he isnt suited for ODI & T20's as he really panicks under pressure.

No issues with his batting technique, but he is just not mentally strong.

 

Even in tests I always believed Ashwin to have a claim to be the better all rounder than Jadeja. Hardly seen Jadeja pulling us out of precarious situations which Ashwin has done a lot of times. Jadeja always plays for his average even at the cost of sacrificing the tailenders. His bowling is slightly better than Ashwins in SENA.

[R!TTER]

9 minutes ago, Tillu said:

Even in tests I always believed Ashwin to have a claim to be the better all rounder than Jadeja.

Not true, Jadeja has better record & pedigree in tests - but tbf to both of them our batters regularly shat the bed in tests away & the number of dropped catches? The less said about thigh slapper/BRat & co the better, on the flip side our bowlers have been sh!t at batting away so there's that as well.

Edited November 21, 2023 by R!TTER

[wanted_desi]

Jadeja coming out infront of SKY showed us facts. If Jadeja has to come out infront of you, you really must be pathetic that TM treats you like someone like Zaheer/Bhajii, smash few sixes at the end where as you are being selected as a pure batsman. 

 

Hell even Jaiswal coming at #6 would have done way better than this loser.