Ram Mandir and politics

[diga]

21 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

 Nothing is proven in court yet, no conviction to proclaim Hindu RWers killed her.  NIA recently arrested a commie who chopped the palms of a Hindu teacher.  No arrests were made when sadhus were lynched in Palghar. Even this week, Sadhus were publicly flogged naked in WB, No arrest yet. Nobody is going to protest if Gowri murder has culprts nabbed.

 

Gowri murder was never pinned on anyone.. though there is a concerted effort by lot of them including the above poster to blame it on Hindu right wing

Edited January 17, 2024 by diga

[coffee_rules]

2 hours ago, Singh bling said:

So cows on road stolen cause people to livelihood? Stop this joke. most cattle that is smuggled is useless . Infact cattle itself is making farmers loose crops

 

https://www.newsclick.in/stray-cattle-posing-threat-farmers-amid-nail-biting-cold-one-dead

 

 

Since, we are posting random news articles to make a point, here’s mine. Even a goat killed on the street can cause human deaths.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/coal-india-protests-idUKL3N26M3IC/

 

I will still say there is nothing religious about cow lynching, it is based on law and order situation  with cattle smuggling incidents on the rise.

 

https://www.deccanherald.com/amp/story/india/holy-cow-rise-smuggler-vigilante-2076623

 

 

[coffee_rules]

7 hours ago, Lannister said:

Our choice of democracy wasn't driven by Hindu identity but by our identity as Dalits, Kurubas, Vokkaligas, Lingayats. There's a notable distinction.

What about Brahmins in your list?  

 

All castes collectively are identified as Hindus, even by our constitution. There are no personal laws for each caste. Hindu code bills in our constitution helped codify laws for Hindus, Hindu marriage act includes all those use tied as non-Muslims. All Muslims follow Sharia for personal/family laws. 

[Lannister]

19 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

What about Brahmins in your list?  

 

All castes collectively are identified as Hindus, even by our constitution. There are no personal laws for each caste. Hindu code bills in our constitution helped codify laws for Hindus, Hindu marriage act includes all those use tied as non-Muslims. All Muslims follow Sharia for personal/family laws. 

Well, we should all go back to our roots and reclaim our caste identities over a Hindu identity. My connection to this land is rooted in my caste identity and our shared language, and nothing else.

 

The dreadful combination for Hindu ideologues.

[Lone Wolf]

3 hours ago, Singh bling said:

After the grand success of Christianity and islam many religions try to copy them. Sikhism itself has many islamic components . The only problem is unlike hindu's and muslims sikhs dont have that kind of population plus majority of sikhs themselves don't want to follow strict sikhism. 

Both Islam & Christianity were expanded by the use of force. 

Had Genghis been a religious fanatic both wouldn't exist in Asia at least. 

Appeal was never the case. 

 

Although Hinduism has went through reform as well as it used to be quite rigid initially which turned people away but in current form it is freakin Awesome.  Nothing matches its freedom imo. 

21st century Hinduism is best in the world by far...  

 

Sikhism would be better served if People stop being to rigid about it...  Christianity is biggest threat to it. 

Lower cast Sikhs may not exist in next 20 years imo in India. 

[diga]

24 minutes ago, Lannister said:

Well, we should all go back to our roots and reclaim our caste identities over a Hindu identity. My connection to this land is rooted in my caste identity and our shared language, and nothing else.

 

The dreadful combination for Hindu ideologues.

Lallu lannister wants to divide & rule... typical kangressi

[MechEng]

On 1/16/2024 at 7:06 AM, BlueBlood said:

 

This is classic brainwashed perspective.

 

Congress with MMS was only in power for 10 years. Before that it was Vajpayee.

 

So Modi's 10 year reign should be judged with same metric.

 

Reality is:

 

He promised strong rupee of 50 rupees for 1 US Dollar. The rupee has weakened which is a sign of incredibly poor export income.

 

He promised to eliminate corruption but everyone agrees demonization is a failure even though it might have good intentions as everyone abused it and we are back to cash hoarding again. Digitization of currency was the answer and BJP as everyone else was scared to do it as elections and buying politicians require money.

 

The GDP per capita income is lower than of Bangladesh.

 

Before you come running and saying it was bad under previous administration, in the same 10 years, Vietnam and Mexico had 400%+ increase in same metrics and in fact, their currencies became stronger.

 

The largest sources of US Dollar reserves in India is actually remittances and IT/BPO outsourcing which is glorified sweatshops where you are not selling value add services but rather hours of labour.

 

And the country has gone backwards on how they are treating cattle, Hindi medium schools, media censorship, and even monopolistic behavior. 

 

Just look at Adani and Ambani buying up all the critical infrastructure. Instead of building innovation through small scale entrepreneurship like Mexico and Vietnam did focused on exports, you sell the entire public infrastructure to private hands funded by state banks.

 

There is zero value add in this process. The stats speak for themselves:

 

1) worst in pollution

2) worst in health care

3) worst in English education in tier 2 and tier 3 cities with highest population growth

4) worst in Olympics and sports culture for a population of 1 billion

5) worst in cleanliness

6) worst in media censorship

7) worst in election integrity of distributing cash to people

 

I can keep going. This was last 10 years. If the greatest achievement is making Adani richest man in Asia, then go ahead celebrate.

 

But look at the state of hunger, youth unemployment and general lack of economic upliftment of poor... 

 

The only sectors growing are IT and pharma both of which had tremendous tailwinds due to digitization. It was world wide not just India and any government could have benefited.

 

The golden opportunity of being an export heavy nation after COViD and decoupling from China was squandered to protect incumbent monopolies like Adani and Ambani. In mexico and Vietnam, the governments built entire factories and high tech manufacturing units with security provided so that entrepreneurs with drive or even large scale companies can come and setup shop.

 

What has BJP done other than allow Adani to buy up all critical infrastructure like ports, airports, railway platforms and toll roads through state bank loans? You really think this is how you grow an economy?

 

10 years have gone, if you remove the Hindutva agenda and only look at economic growth from a per capita basis, nothing has improved. But that will not get to blink brainwashed heads as they are single issue candidates sitting in AC rooms in US or Europe musing about something that has zero impact on their day to day lives as they won the lottery of escaping to the West.

 

 

Which is why GDP should never be the only metric for growth, you get a macro perspective on things but no information on actual wealth distribution.

 

Heck, Goldman Sachs considers Indians earning at least 8 lacs per annum to cone under 'affluent class'.

[coffee_rules]

1 hour ago, Lannister said:

Well, we should all go back to our roots and reclaim our caste identities over a Hindu identity. My connection to this land is rooted in my caste identity and our shared language, and nothing else.

 

The dreadful combination for Hindu ideologues.

Dreadful . When we are trying to eradicate casteism by unifying under Hinduism as per the constitution, you atheist commies play identity politics. It’s also the  ionly way to break India and defeat nationalism/nationalistic parties. First Congress was decimated in TN, Kerala, WB, Punjab playing regionalistic , caste identity politics. The same mantra for BJP is being used now. Caste is the main hindrance for India’s progress. 

Edited January 17, 2024 by coffee_rules

[coffee_rules]

2 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Both Islam & Christianity were expanded by the use of force. 

Had Genghis been a religious fanatic both wouldn't exist in Asia at least. 

Appeal was never the case. 

 

Although Hinduism has went through reform as well as it used to be quite rigid initially which turned people away but in current form it is freakin Awesome.  Nothing matches its freedom imo. 

21st century Hinduism is best in the world by far...  

 

Sikhism would be better served if People stop being to rigid about it...  Christianity is biggest threat to it. 

Lower cast Sikhs may not exist in next 20 years imo in India. 

 

I don't know where you get this from (rigid), but since Vedic times, the motif was to include all schools of Dharma . We have multiple darshan shastras that were all respected and included in the thought process.  Shaivite, Vaishnavite, Shakta, Jungama, and many more lived in the same umbrella.  Even the victor in the war of 10 tribes mentioned in Rigveda wanted the philosophies of the losers (Vishwamitra's) included in the Vedas. Unlike Abrahamic religions when they were being established, you have the victor forcing his faith/religion on others by force. 

[coffee_rules]

2 hours ago, MechEng said:

 

Which is why GDP should never be the only metric for growth, you get a macro perspective on things but no information on actual wealth distribution.

 

Heck, Goldman Sachs considers Indians earning at least 8 lacs per annum to cone under 'affluent class'.

That’s because of PPP of the ₹ which is third highest in the world 

[coffee_rules]

Modi hain to mumkin hain. Sabki Ram bhakti bhar bhar ke aarahi hain..

 

 

Kaya kar diya Modi na nana ko pic.twitter.com/F4PloLzl5g

— ) January 17, 2024

Edited January 17, 2024 by coffee_rules

[ravishingravi]

17 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Modi hain to mumkin hain. Sabki Ram bhakti bhar bhar ke aarahi hain..

 

 

 

Unreal stuff. Overton window has truly shifted. Wire covering Shankaracharya for their reasons to not attend ceremony and this. Hard to fathom the scale of changes. 

[ravishingravi]

Country's first leader practically abhorred Hinduism . Evidently stopped Rajendra Prasad from attending ceremony in Somnath temple. 

 

Going from Ram is fictional to Ram was meat eater to correct rituals not being followed. Left / Congress really trying hard to find space. 

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

 

I don't know where you get this from (rigid), but since Vedic times, the motif was to include all schools of Dharma . We have multiple darshan shastras that were all respected and included in the thought process.  Shaivite, Vaishnavite, Shakta, Jungama, and many more lived in the same umbrella.  Even the victor in the war of 10 tribes mentioned in Rigveda wanted the philosophies of the losers (Vishwamitra's) included in the Vedas. Unlike Abrahamic religions when they were being established, you have the victor forcing his faith/religion on others by force. 

Rigveda is way too old Vedic religion was only way back then...  Buddhism nearly eradicated Hinduism in urban towns. By sheer marketability.  Mauryans state sponsored Buddhism  in their times & it was well on its way to do so...  Kushans were more liberal compared to later Mauryans. 

One of the reasons Shunga put an end to to Mauryans.  Thank goodness he did it. 

 

Edited January 17, 2024 by Lone Wolf

[coffee_rules]

7 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Rigveda is way too old Vedic religion was only way back then...  Buddhism nearly eradicated Hinduism in urban towns. By sheer marketability.  Mauryans state sponsored Buddhism  in their times & it was well on its way to do so...  Kushans were more liberal compared to later Mauryans. 

One of the reasons Shunga put an end to to Mauryans.  Thank goodness he did it. 

 

 

It is the ignorant Western Indologists and Marxist Historians made us believe that Vedas were bad and were not followed by Buddha. Buddha never denouced Vedas like carwaka. By the time, Buddha came about, Upanishads or Vedanta had already had  talked abouut the basics what we now believe it as teachings of Buddha and mahaveera.  Although, Kings of Muryan period followed Jainism and Buddhism, common people were still following Santana dharma or Vedic rituals. Even Buddhist rituals follow similar to Vedic rituals. Most of the architecture and lierary works show reverence to Shaivism (more) and Vaishnavism of that era. Kalidasa , a popular lterary figure was a Shakti follower. As I said, Vedas themselves didn't follow one school of thought but included all tribes. Kushans who came from outside India, invaded and were inspired by Shaivism. The Gupta emperors helped make Hinduism the most popular religion on the Indian subcontinent. This was even before the advent of Adi Shankara.

[ravishingravi]

37 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Modi hain to mumkin hain. Sabki Ram bhakti bhar bhar ke aarahi hain..

 

 

 

Question is why and how did Congress mess this up. Lord Ram is really not divisive figure especially in North. He really is revered across religions. The whole strategy of going for 20% consolidation and communalizing the issue has come back to end the congress. Ram could have been held up as a civilizational figure which he is.

 

Like headless chickens they are going from Hindu terror to janeudhaari. I suppose the calculation of consolidating 20% Muslims and fragmenting the Hindus based on caste was considered full proof. But right now another major consolidation is killing it. Women votes. 

 

Question is how does Congress get back the narrative. What should be their narrative. Muslim votes are their lifeline. Can't risk it. 

[coffee_rules]

31 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

 

Unreal stuff. Overton window has truly shifted. Wire covering Shankaracharya for their reasons to not attend ceremony and this. Hard to fathom the scale of changes. 

 

From Haramzaade to Ramzaade!

[ravishingravi]

10 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

 

It is the ignorant Western Indologists and Marxist Historians made us believe that Vedas were bad and were not followed by Buddha. Buddha never denouced Vedas like carwaka. By the time, Buddha came about, Upanishads or Vedanta had already had  talked abouut the basics what we now believe it as teachings of Buddha and mahaveera.  Although, Kings of Muryan period followed Jainism and Buddhism, common people were still following Santana dharma or Vedic rituals. Even Buddhist rituals follow similar to Vedic rituals. Most of the architecture and lierary works show reverence to Shaivism (more) and Vaishnavism of that era. Kalidasa , a popular lterary figure was a Shakti follower. As I said, Vedas themselves didn't follow one school of thought but included all tribes. Kushans who came from outside India, invaded and were inspired by Shaivism. The Gupta emperors helped make Hinduism the most popular religion on the Indian subcontinent. This was even before the advent of Adi Shankara.

 

Yes this entire Marxist hippie narrative on Buddha vs vedas need some major debunking. Little to no evidence to back this up. 

[Singh bling]

9 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Since, we are posting random news articles to make a point, here’s mine. Even a goat killed on the street can cause human deaths.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/coal-india-protests-idUKL3N26M3IC/

 

I will still say there is nothing religious about cow lynching, it is based on law and order situation  with cattle smuggling incidents on the rise.

 

https://www.deccanherald.com/amp/story/india/holy-cow-rise-smuggler-vigilante-2076623

 

 

Dil ko bahalane ke liye ghalib khyal yeh achcha hai.  What I posted is not random . Lynchings , stray cattle raiding crops , causing accidents are all problems having many news on google. Stray cows and bulls have no value they are just menace why will anyone kill , lynch for them apart from religious reasons 

[coffee_rules]

15 minutes ago, Singh bling said:

Dil ko bahalane ke liye ghalib khyal yeh achcha hai.  What I posted is not random . Lynchings , stray cattle raiding crops , causing accidents are all problems having many news on google. Stray cows and bulls have no value they are just menace why will anyone kill , lynch for them apart from religious reasons 

Because there is such thing as Beadbi in Hinduism. No religious institution condones killing for it , like the Golden Temple.