jf1gp_1 Posted May 11, 2024 Posted May 11, 2024 9 hours ago, Muloghonto said: Not a large number, a minority number. Indians in anglosphere are by far the richest, most successful and well employed demographic in the west. Working at taco bell or mcdonalds while going to school is a common thing here in the west for all but the aristocratic and plutocratic class. Am talking about hardships faced by 1st gen not 2nd onwards.
Muloghonto Posted May 11, 2024 Posted May 11, 2024 18 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said: Am talking about hardships faced by 1st gen not 2nd onwards. These are mostly 1st generation and 0 generation ( immigrant) people. Given Indo-American immigration history, about 60-70% are immigrants ( meaning 0 generation), another 25-30% are 1st generation ( meaning children born in USA of immigrant parents) and only 5-10% are 2nd+ generation ( meaning children of people born in the US/Canada etc).
Muloghonto Posted May 11, 2024 Posted May 11, 2024 34 minutes ago, rish said: There is nothing laughable about my thoughts.On the contrary it is scary. If you hold a poll amongst the Muslims of india on whether there should be shariah law or UCC i can guarantee you that atleast 90 percent of the muslims will vote for the former. The majority of muslims of india identify with mughals as their progenitors.They have a very weak cultural link to India and believe more in desert cult.If they identified with indias ethos they would have gladly given the ram mandir site instead of making ram lalla sit in the tent all those years.How many muslims stood up for that? None. What sort of ganga jamuni tehzeeb is this? The 'good muslim/good christian' are the ones who are lukewarm in their faith and following the tenets of their religion. Because *ALL* abrahamic religions are fundamentally fascist totalitarian religions, who directly espouse hatred of all other religions as official tenet of their cannonical books. This is citable from the Bible/Koran, where other religions are directly called blasphemous,association with out-faith people is directly discouraged and promises of other faiths being 'punished by god' while yours is rewarded abound in their holy books. This, when coupled with the psychology of zealous/strong believer mindset, leads to the abrahamic phenomenon of mass murdering people in the name of religion- a phenomena we ONLY see in Abrahamic religions in history, except for a 40 year reactionary period of Zoroastrianism & Shintoism ( both after being aggressed upon by christianity). This is also why abrahamic religions are the ONLY religion in entire historical records to mass murder and cause wars between their own sects. As such, ALL abrahamic religions are a direct threat to all non-abrahamic religions for being ideologically totalitarian. You wont find a single line in ANY non abrahamic religion - hinduism, buddhism,jainism, shintoism, taoism or various traditional religions ( like vietnamese/chinese folk religion or the now defunct Roman/Greek/Germanic pantheons) that directly call all other religions as sinful, their believers are being mislead by evil, slated for punishment by the Gods. This is why, the only good christian/muslim/jew, to the non christian/jew/muslim are the ones who are not highly religion and play fast and loose with what they wish to follow/not follow of their own religion. Ie, a 'liberal' muslim/christian/jew is actually a 'poorly practitioning' muslim/jew/christian. Jews are the least threatening of the abrahamic cult, because they have an in-built racism aspect to it ( where religion is propagated by lineage and not open conversion) that is still followed by majority of their sects and as a result, they are not openly aggressive against non abrahamic religions with the sense of harvesting the souls of the 'enemy' religion to fatten their own stock. However, the hardline jews still view non jews as blasphemous and slated for destruction by their god and will not shy away from 'expediting the fall of the gentiles'. This is why, in the sum balance of history and direct tents of religion, i classify all abrahamic religions as actually demon worship of a desert danav and a rational mind cannot tolerate the propagation and presence of these religions anymore than someone can tolerate the propagation and presence of racism or Nazism.
Ultimate_Game Posted May 11, 2024 Posted May 11, 2024 (edited) On 3/22/2024 at 1:27 PM, ungboysj said: Want left and liberals like Biden to win in Usa or other western countries for favorable immigration policies and benefits and to live in peace, hating the white favoring right wing parties And in india pushing for modi for teaching muslims a lesson and just increase the tensions Apne Ghar Shanti dusre ghar ladai I wouldn't call them hypocrites but just like every other human being, Indians are selfish and go with the option which gives them the most benefit. In India if they think Modi gives them the advantage, they'll vote for him. If they think Biden's win will help their cause, they'll back Biden. If Republican and Trump's win give them the most advantage, they'll vote Republican in a heartbeat. Nothing to do with hypocrisy and everything to do with knowing which side of the bread is buttered. Edited May 11, 2024 by Ultimate_Game
Muloghonto Posted May 11, 2024 Posted May 11, 2024 11 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said: I wouldn't call them selfish but just like every other human being, Indians are selfish and go with the option which gives them the most benefit. In India if they think Modi gives them the advantage, they'll vote for him. If they think Biden's win will help their cause, they'll back Biden. If Republican and Trump's win give them the most advantage, they'll vote Republican in a heartbeat. Nothing to do with hypocrisy and everything to do with knowing which side of the bread is buttered. Bingo. Hypocrisy is inconsistency. There is nothing inconsistent with choosing the option that is to our benefit, be it in India or on Mars. We support those who benefit us. its just that simple. Ultimate_Game and ravishingravi 2
TellTheTruth Posted May 11, 2024 Posted May 11, 2024 (edited) I feel NRI wealth might be greatly exaggerated. Those studies that have Indians at top measure household income rather than per capita and Indians are more likely to to be married and be living in multi generational households. Plus they tend to live in higher cost of living areas. If they come out with a study and take into account wealth per capita, education level and cost of living I think NRIs would do extremely poorly compared to Non NRIs. Edited May 11, 2024 by TellTheTruth
Muloghonto Posted May 11, 2024 Posted May 11, 2024 3 hours ago, TellTheTruth said: I feel NRI wealth might be greatly exaggerated. Those studies that have Indians at top measure household income rather than per capita and Indians are more likely to to be married and be living in multi generational households. Plus they tend to live in higher cost of living areas. If they come out with a study and take into account wealth per capita, education level and cost of living I think NRIs would do extremely poorly compared to Non NRIs. No. even at per capita, its Indians overseas. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/fact-sheet/asian-americans-indians-in-the-u-s/#economic-characteristics-of-u-s-indian-population-2019 Personal income = wealth per capita. There is no differentiation between NRIs and Indo-Americans in the census category for income. TellTheTruth 1
TellTheTruth Posted May 11, 2024 Posted May 11, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: No. even at per capita, its Indians overseas. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/fact-sheet/asian-americans-indians-in-the-u-s/#economic-characteristics-of-u-s-indian-population-2019 Personal income = wealth per capita. There is no differentiation between NRIs and Indo-Americans in the census category for income. Interesting stuff but it seems Indian medium household income in the US is being driven by foreign born H1-b holders, and if our Vivek gets into power he will probably end it to keep Ann Coulter happy. But seriously I think if the report Includes H1-b salaries it can be misleading since they are literally not allowed to stay in the country unless they have a high paying job. They are basically highly payed second class citizens. Edited May 11, 2024 by TellTheTruth
jf1gp_1 Posted May 12, 2024 Posted May 12, 2024 11 hours ago, Muloghonto said: These are mostly 1st generation and 0 generation ( immigrant) people. Given Indo-American immigration history, about 60-70% are immigrants ( meaning 0 generation), another 25-30% are 1st generation ( meaning children born in USA of immigrant parents) and only 5-10% are 2nd+ generation ( meaning children of people born in the US/Canada etc). What you are defining as 0 gen is actually 1st gen but that's fine. If you think only kids from affluent families who don't need to work for sustenance are moving to west for education, then i think you need to meet more of them.
Muloghonto Posted May 12, 2024 Posted May 12, 2024 1 hour ago, jf1gp_1 said: What you are defining as 0 gen is actually 1st gen but that's fine. If you think only kids from affluent families who don't need to work for sustenance are moving to west for education, then i think you need to meet more of them. Maybe its the difference between 1st floor in US/Canada and India type of nomenclature difference, but here, immigrants mean people who come here, 1st generation means those who are the 1st generation born here. I am not saying that only kids from affluent families who dont need to work while going to school are moving to the west, rather i am saying that the vast majority of students- international & domestic- DO need to work while going to school here and that is the norm, so i don't see any valid deductions about the capabilities and credentials of those who go to class at day and work at pizza hut at night.
Muloghonto Posted May 12, 2024 Posted May 12, 2024 6 hours ago, TellTheTruth said: Interesting stuff but it seems Indian medium household income in the US is being driven by foreign born H1-b holders, and if our Vivek gets into power he will probably end it to keep Ann Coulter happy. But seriously I think if the report Includes H1-b salaries it can be misleading since they are literally not allowed to stay in the country unless they have a high paying job. They are basically highly payed second class citizens. I am not clear if the data includes H1b visa amongst indo-americans/asian-americans in this statistic. Either way, its not surprising that those who have the old school asian upbringing & work ethic outshine the westerners in their own backyard at literally everything- earlier it used to be Japan, SoKo, Taiwan etc but over time they've been westernised more and as such, have fallen behind the less westernised non-islamic asian nations in performance, aka China & India.
jf1gp_1 Posted May 12, 2024 Posted May 12, 2024 5 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Maybe its the difference between 1st floor in US/Canada and India type of nomenclature difference, but here, immigrants mean people who come here, 1st generation means those who are the 1st generation born here. I am not saying that only kids from affluent families who dont need to work while going to school are moving to the west, rather i am saying that the vast majority of students- international & domestic- DO need to work while going to school here and that is the norm, so i don't see any valid deductions about the capabilities and credentials of those who go to class at day and work at pizza hut at night. First and Second Generation – The Immigration Initiative at Harvard
Muloghonto Posted May 12, 2024 Posted May 12, 2024 4 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said: First and Second Generation – The Immigration Initiative at Harvard in my 25 years here, i've rarely come across this definition.
jf1gp_1 Posted May 12, 2024 Posted May 12, 2024 5 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: in my 25 years here, i've rarely come across this definition. Immigrant generations - Wikipedia Do a basis search on any engine, that is the definition of 1st generation immigrant. Not sure what conversations you have been having for past 25 years.
coffee_rules Posted May 12, 2024 Posted May 12, 2024 4 hours ago, jf1gp_1 said: Immigrant generations - Wikipedia Do a basis search on any engine, that is the definition of 1st generation immigrant. Not sure what conversations you have been having for past 25 years. Like I am a first-generation immigrant and my kids are 2nd generation. This is standard definition jf1gp_1, Ultimate_Game and Real McCoy 3
jf1gp_1 Posted May 12, 2024 Posted May 12, 2024 2 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Like I am a first-generation immigrant and my kids are 2nd generation. This is standard definition exactly
Vijy Posted May 12, 2024 Posted May 12, 2024 8 hours ago, Muloghonto said: in my 25 years here, i've rarely come across this definition. it is the standard definition adopted in govt and other docs. 1st gen is when someone migrates to a new place, their kids are 2nd gen, and so forth Ultimate_Game 1
Mariyam Posted May 13, 2024 Posted May 13, 2024 On 5/11/2024 at 7:09 PM, coffee_rules said: Baby Calm Sown singer Rema is a Nigerian for Christ’s sake! Doesn't matter. The song was a chart buster in the USA.
coffee_rules Posted May 13, 2024 Posted May 13, 2024 7 hours ago, Mariyam said: Doesn't matter. The song was a chart buster in the USA. TBF, he was a worldwide hit. I came to know of this song only on Insta reels/shorts when people posted dance/funny videos with this song as background. He appeared on Kapil Sharma show and Indians pagal hogaye the is gaane pe.
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