Vijy Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 On 4/1/2024 at 11:25 PM, rollingstoned said: He seems to have come back much leaner and fitter than before he got injured which is good to see. There's nothing which helps a batsman more than spending time out in the middle which enables everything else to click into gear. he is looking leaner than any time I saw him post-2018/19. very good signs. for every one athlete who makes a successful comeback from such horrific injuries, there are 3-4 who don't. hence, while I was obviously pessimistic about his chances, it is very pleasing to see him back in fine fettle. Tests are another matter though, and I don't know if his body can currently withstand the keeping load. would prefer to see him as batter - let jor-el keep rollingstoned 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 Our best Test batsman of the last 5 years. Hope he can get back to Test match fitness and form levels. Vijy and express bowling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijy Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 1 hour ago, Texan said: Our best Test batsman of the last 5 years. Hope he can get back to Test match fitness and form levels. he and jaiswal, both at their peaks, would be great. can be supported by likes of jor-el (jurel), sarfaraz, etc. Mosher 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemsip Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 (edited) 7 hours ago, Vijy said: Tests are another matter though, and I don't know if his body can currently withstand the keeping load. would prefer to see him as batter - let jor-el keep He's done the hard part. He is currently the 4th highest run scorer in this IPL edition which is just remarkable for a person many of us weren't even sure could walk properly till March and who has not touched a bat since 2022. Recovering as fast as he has and seamlessly slotting in at the top level and most importantly performing well as both batsman and wicketkeeper are great signs. Regaining test fitness is just a matter of time as his hand/eye co-ordination and power are still there. It might be better for him to skip the WT20 and play some 4 day county cricket in the summer to get ready for the long format commitments later in the year. Edited April 4 by lemsip Suhaan, Mosher and Vijy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhaan Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 48 minutes ago, lemsip said: might be better for him to skip the WT20 and play some 4 day county cricket in the summer to get ready for the long format commitments later in the year. Yes,anyway t20 WCS happen every year or two, He should be eased into hardcore rigorous cricket He should be targeting the Aus tour later this year express bowling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted April 4 Author Share Posted April 4 Pants shouldn't keep in tests. Why put extra pressure on the knees ! Let Jurel keep. Pant deserves a place as our most clutch test batsman of the last few years Mosher, Vk1, Vickydev and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickydev Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 (edited) 10 minutes ago, express bowling said: Pants shouldn't keep in tests. Why put extra pressure on the knees ! Let Jurel keep. Pant deserves a place as our most clutch test batsman of the last few years Yes Pant as a specialist batter makes sense inplace of Sarfaraz, though it's unfortunate for the latter who has done very well but Pant is that extra special. Long term #4 once we move on from Kohli Edited April 4 by Vickydev express bowling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemsip Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, express bowling said: Pants shouldn't keep in tests. Why put extra pressure on the knees He is 26 not 66. He will want to reclaim his spot as keeper and batsman and unless there is a medical reason to worry about his knees, he should do it all provided he is performing from a skill perspective. He is hungry for success and has the drive and I doubt he will go along with a decision sacrificing one of his primary skills unless doctors advise him against test keeping. Edited April 4 by lemsip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijy Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 54 minutes ago, lemsip said: He is 26 not 66. He will want to reclaim his spot as keeper and batsman and unless there is a medical reason to worry about his knees, he should do it all provided he is performing from a skill perspective. He is hungry for success and has the drive and I doubt he will go along with a decision sacrificing one of his primary skills unless doctors advise him against test keeping. in home tests (especially vs weaker teams), he can play as a bat. in Oz, he could return to both duties. doing it in a phase-by-phase way express bowling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted April 4 Author Share Posted April 4 1 hour ago, lemsip said: He is 26 not 66. He will want to reclaim his spot as keeper and batsman and unless there is a medical reason to worry about his knees, he should do it all provided he is performing from a skill perspective. He is hungry for success and has the drive and I doubt he will go along with a decision sacrificing one of his primary skills unless doctors advise him against test keeping. He was having knee pains even yesterday according to the commentators. Mosher 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
putrevus Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 If Pant does not keep he loses all his value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted April 4 Author Share Posted April 4 2 minutes ago, putrevus said: If Pant does not keep he loses all his value. In test matches, Pant, the batsman, has played some of the most crunch knocks in big matches to win it for India or bring us out of trouble. Mosher and Vijy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemsip Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 (edited) 7 minutes ago, express bowling said: He was having knee pains even yesterday according to the commentators. I didn't catch anything about knee pains, all the commentators were saying was that he seemed to be limping slightly which should just as easily be a sprain or a pulled muscle. He was running just as rapidly and in his post match interview said his body was feeling good. There has been no official statement about knee pains by him or the medics but if this is the case he shouldn't be playing IPL as it would indicate that he is not fully fit. Edited April 4 by lemsip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
putrevus Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 (edited) 16 minutes ago, express bowling said: In test matches, Pant, the batsman, has played some of the most crunch knocks in big matches to win it for India or bring us out of trouble. No he is not.His value is only if he is a keeper.Playing some crunch knocks does not make him a batsman .He can be given a chance as batsman till his knees feel better but his value to the team is only if he a keeper. Edited April 4 by putrevus lemsip 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemsip Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 (edited) 8 minutes ago, putrevus said: No he is not.His value is only if he is a keeper.Playing some crunch knocks does not make him a batsman .He can be given a chance as batsman till his knees feel better but his value to the team is only if he a keeper. Agreed. The closest equivalent to him is Adam Gilchrist. He also played many crunch knocks for Australia batting in the lower half just like Pant. However, his primary role in the team was that of a keeper who can bat and Pant is exactly the same. Watching him keep in the IPL, I don't see anything that suggests he has lost any skill on the keeping front. If there is a need to reduce his workload, I would look at giving him a break for IPL captaincy before anything else. Having said that a lot depends on the individual player as well. Being asked to give up a skill is easily something that can affect the player negatively from a psychologicial point of view. Edited April 4 by lemsip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted April 4 Author Share Posted April 4 (edited) 31 minutes ago, putrevus said: Playing some crunch knocks does not make him a batsman . You must be joking. He averages 43.7 as a batsman in test matches after all of 33 tests. This batting average is higher than Gambhir Ganguly Vengsarkar Vishwanath Amaranth Rahane Rahul Sidhu and many more celebrated batters in Indian cricket I guess these are not batsmen either then. Edited April 4 by express bowling Vijy, singhvivek141, Mosher and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singhvivek141 Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 12 minutes ago, putrevus said: No he is not.His value is only if he is a keeper.Playing some crunch knocks does not make him a batsman .He can be given a chance as batsman till his knees feel better but his value to the team is only if he a keeper. How do you remove Jurel then, who has done well so far in limited games ? Won't it be unfair on him as well ? Pant averages 43.xx in Tests, almost as equal to Pujara and way higher than Rahane..both of whom were settled batters for Tests. We needn't push Pant to keep in Tests, let him play as batter and use him as a fielder in Tests. Maybe use both Jurel & Pant interchangeably as keepers. Jurel is a good outfielder as well and hence it won't be a bad deal even if he fields at slips, shorter or elsewhere. Vijy, Mosher and express bowling 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted April 4 Author Share Posted April 4 (edited) 28 minutes ago, lemsip said: Being asked to give up a skill is easily something that can affect the player negatively from a psychologicial point of view. Not asking him to give it up but ease into it. First keep in T20s .. then ODIs .. then tests outside Asia .. and finally tests in India, the toughest thing even for fully fit individuals. Edited April 4 by express bowling Mosher, singhvivek141 and Vijy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singhvivek141 Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 10 minutes ago, lemsip said: Being asked to give up a skill is easily something that can affect the player negatively from a psychologicial point of view. Pant fielded on boundary when he played with MS. DK fielded on boundary when he played with MS. Kishan played as fielder when he played with Pant. QDK, Pooran play as fielder when KL keeps. Keeping is just a fielding position, on whom certain players specialize in. If there are 2 keepers who are better than others as batsman, one of them may have to field elsewhere and not behind wickets. Vijy and express bowling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemsip Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 1 minute ago, express bowling said: I guess these are not batsmen either then. The ones you listed are all top-order batsmen whereas Pant bats in the lower order and usually comes in when the ball is older and the bowlers are in their second or third spells. He is a great player but the role he does in the team is a keeper/lower order batsman who can put the pressure back on the opposition or change the game when that is needed. He cannot replace a pure batsman in the composition of the team - at least not at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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