To save India.. we need a strong opposition otherwise BJP will destroy the country

[Muloghonto]

4 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

 

When you are REALLY serious about being an objective and neutral person really dig deep into how Adani purchased Mumbai Airport from GVK Reddy a true industrialist and visionary. Considered on par to the Tatas in South with zero blemishes or corruption in their record.

Tatas are not corrupt ?

4 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

 

Then it will be clear why politicians who have tons of cases on them are being slaves.

 

Soon BRS/TRS will merge with BJP for the same reason and current Congress on Telangana will also merge to BJP for the same reason.

 

It's nothing to do with Modi or idealism or what you think and everything to do with how corporations own the country. And that too only handful of them.

 

The rest I don't even want to waste time arguing ad nauseum. We will come back 10-15 years from now and the results or damage of this will be there to be seen when all the visionaries leave the country in mass.

 

You are correct. it has nothing to do with Modi. But it also has nothing to do with Tata-birla-Ambani-Adani. 
What it has to do with, is that the BJP is the largest single party in the world by a huge margin- almost 1/3rd bigger than #2, which is the Chinese Communist Party. 

In other words, the opposition and the local dynasty parties are being ground down by the BJP machinery in a methodical borg-like way. 

You will be assimilated. or destroyed. Resistance is futile. 

You think we care about Stalin or Momota being untouchable today in their states ?? We already have plans underway on how to tackle Bengal and TN once these two dynasts die. 
 

[Haarkarjeetgaye]

What India needs is the 4th of June to come soon

[diga]

1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

But your mai-baap western nations have all media controlled by corporations ! 

 

Funny how your corporate rant-list doesnt include the Tatas, birlas, etc. 

 

and the Bajajs

[mishra]

On 4/3/2024 at 6:29 AM, Muloghonto said:

Most of these things are good things..... 

Funny how BJP will destroy the country if they keep ruling for another 4-5 times straight, but the guys winning for 30 straight years in Japan or Korea or Singapore didn't destroy those countries.

Modi is the greatest PM in history of India. That much, is objective facts.

 

Countries are built within a span of 20-30 years of Good Governance.

People know that Congress nearly destroyed the country in 70 years of poor Governance.

 

These guys are using same logic without assuming that most educated People can differentiate between current Good Governance vs Pathethic Governance of Congress

Edited April 4 by mishra

[mishra]

10 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

The saddest part of this whole thing as the brainwashing that is happening that will take decades to erase.

 

Idiotic things like Hindi Medium, war against eggs/protein in schools for children, massive drive against entrepreneurship and towards IAS/IPS and Civils. Then add to this complete and utter control of the media by corporations.

 

It's not even about BJP anymore. The corporations will rule and make even Modi dance to their tune if he ever dare touch them in the future as all it takes is make the media go against him if he makes one big error.

 

Just look at the CM's of Telangana, Andhra, Punjab etc. from non-BJP parties literally bowing down like slaves to Adani when ever he decides to come and do whatever he pleases with zero opposition. At least against Modi there is some level of opposition but not a single fly is allowed to land on Ambani, Adani and other shadow corporates.

 

Eventually there will come a day when public will demand something important and the government will due to pressure from corporations not yield. Then, even if the government wants to reverse course, they will be internally destroyed by same corporations who have been given the power of monopoly in critical sectors, full control of media and insane amount of money through SBI loans and insurance company funds.

 

This is exactly what happens when you want to win at all costs and don't care about future generations. Indira Gandhi made same mistake which gave the rise of BJP.

 

My fear is what happens then? The damage will be so extreme that who ever takes over the next government will be fully controlled by the same corporations and will not be able to do a single good for the nation.

 

Yet, the worshipping that goes on in even educated "NRI" circles of these same modern day oligarchs of India is next level.

Just name and describe one progressive policy from opposition which needs to be incorporated into current BJP Policy. Opposition is bankrupt of ideas. It gives zero confidence deliveries.

 

All opposition can come up is  freebies policy (BTW money to fund those freebies policies has come from current government policies) which is what USA wants so that we can be in same position as Pakistan in next 20-30 years. A militarily strong dog which can be asked to attack any nation if USA wants. Took me some time, but Now I am abslutely certain that USA has a backup plan in Indo pacific by deploying Pakistan model of economics in India via people like Kejriwal who are exactly coming up with that kind of economics for India

Edited April 4 by mishra

[gattaca]

9 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

 

When you are REALLY serious about being an objective and neutral person really dig deep into how Adani purchased Mumbai Airport from GVK Reddy a true industrialist and visionary. Considered on par to the Tatas in South with zero blemishes or corruption in their record.

 

Then it will be clear why politicians who have tons of cases on them are being slaves.

 

Soon BRS/TRS will merge with BJP for the same reason and current Congress on Telangana will also merge to BJP for the same reason.

 

It's nothing to do with Modi or idealism or what you think and everything to do with how corporations own the country. And that too only handful of them.

 

The rest I don't even want to waste time arguing ad nauseum. We will come back 10-15 years from now and the results or damage of this will be there to be seen when all the visionaries leave the country in mass.

GVK has mountain of debt and he tried to raise money by selling it. GVK was favored by congress and that is how he got the Mumbai airport project in the first place.

[BlueBlood]

1 hour ago, gattaca said:

GVK has mountain of debt and he tried to raise money by selling it. GVK was favored by congress and that is how he got the Mumbai airport project in the first place.

This is the issue with half knowledge.

 

GVK didn't want to sell. He was already in his 80's, it was never about the money. It was pride of ownership. He got commitments from already existing investors abroad who were prior investors. Adani had government raid GVK and his sons houses and forced their (GVK's son) hand to sell. Changed laws to win the bid and quashed all competition as he had SBI loan him money at sweet heart deals.

 

20 years from now all you will have is a bunch of managers draining these prime assets and milking them for every penny rather than taking them to the next level as all the visionaries like GVK, Kishore Biyani etc. Get bought out by a handful of people through crony capitalism.

 

But sure go ahead your revisionist history is what will be taught as "fact" because history is written by the Victors. But let it be clear, the damage to all this will be 20 years from now when the next generation (junior Ambanis and Adanis families) need visionaries to manage all these prime assets and they will find none. 

 

But who cares when Hindutva agenda is intact right? Who cares when we are back to the License Raj era. Who cares when on one hand price fixing occurs and looted by corporates but on the other hand right before election freebies are announced to win votes.

 

I gave up long ago. But hopefully people wake up and realize the destruction that will be caused by giving a handful or corporates unfettered power and control over the entire nation and its resources - including people.

[BlueBlood]

4 hours ago, diga said:

and the Bajajs

That's why I said corporates. The dynasties will continue ruling and they are the real kings.

Edited April 4 by BlueBlood

[BlueBlood]

4 hours ago, mishra said:

Just name and describe one progressive policy from opposition which needs to be incorporated into current BJP Policy. Opposition is bankrupt of ideas. It gives zero confidence deliveries.

 

All opposition can come up is  freebies policy (BTW money to fund those freebies policies has come from current government policies) which is what USA wants so that we can be in same position as Pakistan in next 20-30 years. A militarily strong dog which can be asked to attack any nation if USA wants. Took me some time, but Now I am abslutely certain that USA has a backup plan in Indo pacific by deploying Pakistan model of economics in India via people like Kejriwal who are exactly coming up with that kind of economics for India

Haha this must be the joke of the century. The GDP growth and exports in particular has been steady dominated by Pharma and IT sectors - that were established 25-30 years ago.

 

BJP is not offering free subsidies like rice? My goodness the level of cope.

 

India has 80% poor/lower middle class population who will only vote for freebies no matter the party. Because they are exploited to no end by corporations with zero upliftment for the last 50 years.

 

With things like Hindi Medium, fake patriotic push towards civil service etc. Do you really think these people will ever fit into a capitalistic mindset where English is required AND proper communication/management skills. The entrepreneurial minded people will leave to the US or places where their talent is appreciated. It's already happening, Indians are the biggest immigrant demographic to US, Canada, UK and Australia for the last 10 years bearing even China.

 

Now go ahead and start your fake propaganda on how Entreprenerial minded the government is when majority of the entrepreneurial talent is leaving at record levels over the last 10 years even more than MMS regime where China used to be #1 source for immigrants to western nations.

[mishra]

3 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

Haha this must be the joke of the century. The GDP growth and exports in particular has been steady dominated by Pharma and IT sectors - that were established 25-30 years ago.

 

BJP is not offering free subsidies like rice? My goodness the level of cope.

 

India has 80% poor/lower middle class population who will only vote for freebies no matter the party. Because they are exploited to no end by corporations with zero upliftment for the last 50 years.

 

With things like Hindi Medium, fake patriotic push towards civil service etc. Do you really think these people will ever fit into a capitalistic mindset where English is required AND proper communication/management skills. The entrepreneurial minded people will leave to the US or places where their talent is appreciated. It's already happening, Indians are the biggest immigrant demographic to US, Canada, UK and Australia for the last 10 years bearing even China.

 

Now go ahead and start your fake propaganda on how Entreprenerial minded the government is when majority of the entrepreneurial talent is leaving at record levels over the last 10 years even more than MMS regime where China used to be #1 source for immigrants to western nations.

Congress even made laws and constitution. Its about delivery where it has spectacularly failed.

 

Again, name and describe one policy which BJP should put in its manfesto  delver.

[coffee_rules]

38 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

Haha this must be the joke of the century. The GDP growth and exports in particular has been steady dominated by Pharma and IT sectors - that were established 25-30 years ago.

 

Fine take credit for establishing the industries that BJP is helping flourish. Anyhow, India was forced to open its markets in IMF/WB in the 90s , else we would have to pau debts by mortgaging the gold bullion. Hence, the liberalization happened and the industries like IT were established. After 998, Infra projects, Auto and other manufacturing were established. We are seeing the fruits of that in growth now. The semi-conductors and AI establishment now will pave way for future growth.

 

 

38 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

BJP is not offering free subsidies like rice? My goodness the level of cope.

 

Yes, they do for BPL holders, not giving 1000 rs to all women (Delhi), 3000 rs to all graduates (Kar) and free bus tickets to all women (multiple states). These are exchequer burbers and will lead to a Pakistani economy. The swaminathan commission MSP recommendaton for all essential crops will lead to 25% of our whole countries budget. Dubodega India ko. That's what global toolkit operators want through Soros and Ford Fouundation funding.

 

38 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

India has 80% poor/lower middle class population who will only vote for freebies no matter the party. Because they are exploited to no end by corporations with zero upliftment for the last 50 years.

 

With things like Hindi Medium, fake patriotic push towards civil service etc. Do you really think these people will ever fit into a capitalistic mindset where English is required AND proper communication/management skills. The entrepreneurial minded people will leave to the US or places where their talent is appreciated. It's already happening, Indians are the biggest immigrant demographic to US, Canada, UK and Australia for the last 10 years bearing even China.

 

You slave mentality is exposed, as if Hindi medium can't have proper communication/mgmt skills. If a industry is in MP, people speak in Hindi, customers speak Hindi, consumers speak Hindi, what will English educated sophisticated management skills do to establsh the industry. 

 

38 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

Now go ahead and start your fake propaganda on how Entreprenerial minded the government is when majority of the entrepreneurial talent is leaving at record levels over the last 10 years even more than MMS regime where China used to be #1 source for immigrants to western nations.

 

Most illegals caught in mexico border is still Chineses among all Asian countries. Go Figure! China wants to promote illegal immigration, so they will more to the locals from the same pie. 

[BlueBlood]

17 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Most illegals caught in mexico border is still Chineses among all Asian countries. Go Figure! China wants to promote illegal immigration, so they will more to the locals from the same pie. 

 

LOL - that number is probably a mere thousands funny how you bring this up when Chinese middle class decimates India's middle class in purchasing power.

 

18 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

You slave mentality is exposed, as if Hindi medium can't have proper communication/mgmt skills. If a industry is in MP, people speak in Hindi, customers speak Hindi, consumers speak Hindi, what will English educated sophisticated management skills do to establsh the industry. 

 

This is exactly what I mean... You cannot dominate semi conductor, AI or future pacing industries by having zero English communication skills.

 

How funny that Adani and Ambani kids study in US universities and bilingual but the nations youth through fake patriotism are forced without choice into Hindi Medium - specifically to become useful slaves who are stuck in India as they will have no other options to leave and make a life elsewhere.

 

20 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Fine take credit for establishing the industries that BJP is helping flourish. Anyhow, India was forced to open its markets in IMF/WB in the 90s , else we would have to pau debts by mortgaging the gold bullion. Hence, the liberalization happened and the industries like IT were established. After 998, Infra projects, Auto and other manufacturing were established. We are seeing the fruits of that in growth now. The semi-conductors and AI establishment now will pave way for future growth.

 

It's not about taking credit. It's about policies that were established 30 years ago bearing fruit after a LONG time. Similar to how the policies of enriching the corporations today at all costs and giving power to handful of oligarchs will bear fruit 20 years from now in a negative way.

 

We saw what happened to Russia when they did this in the old Soviet Union. They had many civil wars and they were broken up into pieces. Same thing will happen as politicians will be helpless.

 

Anyway, let's see 15-20 years from now as the the real damage/results of all these will bear fruit then. Until then you can do all your chest thumping about how the opposition is completely destroyed and how BJP made pappu of Rahul Gandhi etc. Let's see what happens when public demands higher wages, cheaper prices for goods and better quality of life including lower pollution etc. and government will have its hands tied as they are fully controlled and owned by corporations to the point of no return.

[coffee_rules]

18 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

 

LOL - that number is probably a mere thousands funny how you bring this up when Chinese middle class decimates India's middle class in purchasing power.

 

 

This is exactly what I mean... You cannot dominate semi conductor, AI or future pacing industries by having zero English communication skills.

 

How funny that Adani and Ambani kids study in US universities and bilingual but the nations youth through fake patriotism are forced without choice into Hindi Medium - specifically to become useful slaves who are stuck in India as they will have no other options to leave and make a life elsewhere.

 

 

You shifted goal posts. Focusing only on English will get us nowhere. If we want to bring swadeshi industries and tap into rural/Tier2/3 cities for job seekers, we need to look to local languages. I never said focussing on Hindi will get us growth into future job markets.

 

18 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

It's not about taking credit. It's about policies that were established 30 years ago bearing fruit after a LONG time. Similar to how the policies of enriching the corporations today at all costs and giving power to handful of oligarchs will bear fruit 20 years from now in a negative way.

 

We saw what happened to Russia when they did this in the old Soviet Union. They had many civil wars and they were broken up into pieces. Same thing will happen as politicians will be helpless.

 

Anyway, let's see 15-20 years from now as the the real damage/results of all these will bear fruit then. Until then you can do all your chest thumping about how the opposition is completely destroyed and how BJP made pappu of Rahul Gandhi etc. Let's see what happens when public demands higher wages, cheaper prices for goods and better quality of life including lower pollution etc. and government will have its hands tied as they are fully controlled and owned by corporations to the point of no return.

 

You are like the Raghuram Rajan of icf, predicting doom and gloom in this environment of boom. Keep at it and we seem to forge forward. 

Dekhna Ab giregi ab giregi.. karte raho. 

 

[straighttalk]

On 4/2/2024 at 10:29 PM, Muloghonto said:

Most of these things are good things..... 

Funny how BJP will destroy the country if they keep ruling for another 4-5 times straight, but the guys winning for 30 straight years in Japan or Korea or Singapore didn't destroy those countries.

Modi is the greatest PM in history of India. That much, is objective facts.

 

Ya funny when the party has a legacy of rioting and inciting population in the name of religion... And stakes it's claim on putting majority against minority..

 

Japan under dictatorship went to world war.. which leader ruled Japan for decades without opposition after that

I hope you are not talking about North Korea.

 

And yes founding PM of Singapore did a great job and was elected for years. 

[straighttalk]

On 4/2/2024 at 11:48 PM, cowboysfan said:

Congress is the only reason for the rise of a party like BJP which smartly has shown the appeasement politics of Congress.majority of the hindi heartbelt see Gandhis and Congress as Anti-hindu now.imo its all down to pappu,he has scored own goals after own goals since 2014 and is doing it almost everyday in the election year.There is no hope for Congress as long as Rahul is directing them to disaster.I still dont understand why they didnt attend the Ram Mandir opening,they would have lost zero Muslim vote but still declined the invitation.

Anti Hindu is a non issue beyond the fundamentalist ... Inept without any policy or vision is the issue.. just shouting secularism and anti modi without any idea to govern is why Congress is in such a state under Gandhi.. they need a articulate charismatic leader... 

[straighttalk]

On 4/3/2024 at 3:58 AM, Number said:

Does the opposition have any selling point on which they can ask for a change ? 

All they do is, vote for us else they will change the constitution or democracy is dead, modi is a dictator blah blah. They have zero reach on the ground.

The Congress is worse than Britishers when it comes to infra or industrial setups development.

Imagine a party in 2024 has absolutely nill points on development or economic growth. All of them are about doles or pensions or sarkaari naukari based on caste or sex.

They got a chance to govern a few states in this 2014-2024 period but failed to create a model of development which they could sell across India.

People are not as gullible as 50s to 90s now. They will vote for you if you sell them something good. 

Warna 100 saal aise hi rote raho.

Absolutely . And that's why modi keeps getting elected.. and in the long run that's bad for India.. modi without doubt is a better leader and administrator for India but he bring in authoritarianism along with a legacy of religious bloodshed... Allowing bjp to be the one party ruler of India is akin to moving under ccp

[cowboysfan]

let me just say you cant do capitalism peicemeal,even China understands this with their State capitalism.There is going to be wealth accumulation ,if you try to tax the Rich higher now in such a emerging economy like India than its economic suicide.

[straighttalk]

On 4/2/2024 at 10:29 PM, Muloghonto said:

Most of these things are good things..... 

Funny how BJP will destroy the country if they keep ruling for another 4-5 times straight, but the guys winning for 30 straight years in Japan or Korea or Singapore didn't destroy those countries

Modi is the greatest PM in history of India. That much, is objective facts.

 

You actually intentionally avoided the two leaders who are closest to Modi.. Xi and Putin.. under whom the country did well but people's freedom were taken away and protestors or minorities were persecuted.. what the diff between them 

[straighttalk]

On 4/3/2024 at 4:27 AM, gattaca said:

Was it all changa when congress ruled India for over 60 years ? They didn’t even put subash Chandra Bose picture in parliament. They vilify veer savarkar every time. They cause Brahmin riots in Mumbai avd Sikh riots in Delhi. They imposed emergency. For all the  Muslims ka thekedar they didn’t even had Muslim leaders in their party. They had ornamental Muslim leader like salman krushid. They lost Aksai chin and terrorism was at peak during upa rule. The home minister had no clue what was happening. Congress only had loyalists in posts. People were brainwashed in to believing they got freedom but they erased revolutionary leaders contributions. Ever heard the term caged parrot CBI ? Now look at BJP. They brought many people out of poverty and are building great infrastructure all over India. Security situation improved a lot. Pakistan stopped doing the acts. They found FATF list as a weapon. The Indian MEA is best it has been in years. They have delivered most of their 2019 manifesto. 
 

Rahul Gandhi makes Jupiter escape velocity, sona aur Aaloo , ripping bill passed by his own govt, janedari Brahmin and complaining who owns newspapers. AI is all networks lol. 
 

Liquor scam had money trail. BRS MP was arrested and kejriwal never passed lokpal bill which was his promise. He doesn’t unlock his phone and doesn’t provide his old phone. 
 

 

Adani is a big lol. Adani got big projects in chattisgarh and Rajasthan during congress rule. Recently Telangana CM who is from congress met him. Adani has much lower contribution to electoral bonds than others.

First.. if you read my post.. I am not saying cong is better than bjp. You are wrong to assume that I am a cong supporter. I am apolitical. I voted for Vajpyee and also voted for modi. If I was able to vote this time  I would have abstained. I think in this election Modi will win as he is the better candidate.

My concern is in the absence of strong opposition. Bjp corruption and malfeasance is going unchecked and that is bad for country. 

Edited April 4 by straighttalk

[straighttalk]

On 4/3/2024 at 5:37 AM, randomGuy said:

Question to OP, Did Maratha/Sikh empires need Mughals? Not saying all opposition are showing such traits but some part of opposition is showing such traits.

Could you elaborate... Which major party is calling on Muslims to kill Hindus  aside from the Owaisi ... Which party is killing Hindus for eating fish stopping them from praying or has higher number of demolishments of other persons place of worship