Sick of sycophant commentators aka kohli paid media

[VT87]

Bloody Mumbai lobby going after him that Mf Gavaskar did not utter a word against Rohit 

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

Kohli did not get any support from other batsmen. 
 

yes they can be both true . Pandya and Jadeja are only two reasonable allrounders who can bowl their 4 overs in this team. But in .2022 Jadeja did not play , how did Axar do there ? 

How is Axar an upgrade over Jadeja ?

Rahul Tewatia is performing from last 2-3 years. Still no opportunity given to him. 

 

Also you and me we both now what Jadeja has done despite playing cricket for 15 years...I don't want to repeat it countless times but he is a failed investment in T20.

 

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

 

Why are we expecting Jadeja who bats at number 7 or 8 to win matches on his own? Do you have any alternative to Pandya ?

Matthew Wade scored 41(17)* vs Pakistan while batting at no 7 only ? Did he not win the game there ? is Jadeja only in the team for 21(18)* type knocks with bat & 4-32-0 type analysis with the ball.

 

Pandya is a failed investment because he hasn't grown. No point investing of someone who despite being talented is just lazy and arrogant. Kambli was more talented than Sachin but he underachived. Parag has turned this season around and he is lot focused, Pandya has gone the other way in comparison to when he started.

 

There are alternates like Raj Bawa or even Nitish Reddy who are young and have more hunger to perform on the bigger level than Pandya.

Edited May 5 by singhvivek141

[putrevus]

2 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

How is Axar an upgrade over Jadeja ?

Rahul Tewatia is performing from last 2-3 years. Still no opportunity given to him. 

 

Also you and me we both now what Jadeja has done despite playing cricket for 15 years...I don't want to repeat it countless times but he is a failed investment in T20.

 

Matthew Wade scored 41(17)* vs Pakistan while batting at no 7 only ? Did he not win the game there ? is Jadeja only in the team for 21(18)* type knocks with bat & 4-32-0 type analysis with the ball.

 

Pandya is a failed investment because he hasn't grown. No point investing of someone who despite being talented is just lazy and arrogant. Kambli was more talented than Sachin but he underachived. Parag has turned this season around and he is lot focused, Pandya has gone the other way in comparison to when he started.

 

There are alternates like Raj Bawa or even Nitish Reddy who are young and have more hunger to perform on the bigger level than Pandya.

I never said Axar is an upgrade over Jadeja.

 

But Axar and Jadeja are best two left arm options and both are going to world t20.

 

The Jadeja and Pandya are force fed into lineup for one reason , our batsmen and bowlers are one dimensional so they need  these two who will bowl their 4 overs in 90% of their matches.
 

 

Wade and in 2016 that WI guy I am

not getting his name who struck 4 sixes to win them World Cup. Wade was WK and that WI guy was allrounder. 
 

Pandya has under achieved a lot and needs to kicked out but  we cannot do it for this world t20. It is too late to find a replacement.You are asking the VC to be left out of the team.

 

Parag could have gone in place of Jadeja but can he bowl his 4 overs?Do you think he can bowl 4-40 ?If answer is yes then Jadeja is wrong selection.

 

Nitish needs to build on this ipl and get ready for next world t20. I still feel

he is more batsman than a bowler.

 

Sorry  Tewatia cannot be fit into the team , he just does not bowl enough IMO.

 

Bumrah, Siraj and Kuldeep are bowlers who don’t bat either.

Some morons keep whining about Kohli, when was the last time India won 

any knock out match without him leading the way. If he under performs even a bit it is guarantee loss .

Edited May 5 by putrevus

[singhvivek141]

53 minutes ago, putrevus said:

I never said Axar is an upgrade over Jadeja.

 

But Axar and Jadeja are best two left arm options and both are going to world t20.

 

The Jadeja and Pandya are force fed into lineup for one reason , our batsmen and bowlers are one dimensional so they need  these two who will bowl their 4 overs in 90% of their matches.
 

 

Wade and in 2016 that WI guy I am

not getting his name who struck 4 sixes to win them World Cup. Wade was WK and that WI guy was allrounder. 
 

Pandya has under achieved a lot and needs to kicked out but  we cannot do it for this world t20. It is too late to find a replacement.You are asking the VC to be left out of the team.

 

Parag could have gone in place of Jadeja but can he bowl his 4 overs?Do you think he can bowl 4-40 ?If answer is yes then Jadeja is wrong selection.

 

Nitish needs to build on this ipl and get ready for next world t20. I still feel

he is more batsman than a bowler.

 

Sorry  Tewatia cannot be fit into the team , he just does not bowl enough IMO.

 

Bumrah, Siraj and Kuldeep are bowlers who don’t bat either.

Some morons keep whining about Kohli, when was the last time India won 

any knock out match without him leading the way. If he under performs even a bit it is guarantee loss .

Sai Kishore is better bowler than both Axar & Jadeja...though I agree he is more of a no 8 batter.

Nishant Sindhu is another one who ie exceptional so far..he is only 18-19 years old though and can even bat at no 6. He played for Haryana and batted many times above Tewatia. Manav Suthar too is a better bowler than both Axar & Jadeja and a capable no 8/9.

 

If our blind selectors would have developed them then things would have been a lot different.

 

Riyan Parag is capable bowler and has bowled good amount of overs in domestics. Can easily do the Maxwell level job with the ball..so does Tewatia.

 

We also need to develop Harshit Rana, Yudhvir Singh, Gurnoor Brar or Hangargekar for no 8/9 position. Raj Bawa is another allrounder who can bat at no 7.

 

Options are there, selectors need to open their myopic eyes and scan through. Salil Ankola was hanging out with his wife on the streets of Dehradun when the SMAT was going on. If we keep on believing these cheerleader commentators then we will never be able to come out of TINA factor.

[Ultimate_Game]

9 hours ago, putrevus said:

How is it Kohli’s fault if they don’t have lower order batting or openers not firing.

 

They have been winning what ever they won only due to one batsman.

 

He has been the core of that batting top order for a decade now and has yet to make a difference. In 50 overs WCs he couldn't do much even once - 2015 and 2019 WC semis being the case in point. In 2015 WC semi, Dhawan had given India a great start and India were around 80 with a RR around 7 when Kohli came into bat and he botched it. In 2019 WC semis he couldn't manage a chase of 240. Over the last few WT20s, he along with the others disappeared altogether in the crunch - in the WT20 held in Dubai, he couldn't even do his usual dance of scoring in the league stage.

 

Common theme of Kohli, and the other culprits such as Rohit, KL etc. has been filling their boots in the league matches and going AWOL in the knockouts. Don't expect anything different and then folks like you will come and blame others (depending on which player you're a fan of - Rohit fans will blame Kohli, and Kohli fans will do the opposite) or the usual scapegoats - the bowlers. When you play for more than a decade and have yet to make a difference in any world event - WTC, WC 50, WT20 etc. when someone like Travis Head has more match-winning innings and better track record in knockouts in one year than the so called "King", you know where the problem lies.

[Ultimate_Game]

2 hours ago, putrevus said:

I never said Axar is an upgrade over Jadeja.

 

But Axar and Jadeja are best two left arm options and both are going to world t20.

 

The Jadeja and Pandya are force fed into lineup for one reason , our batsmen and bowlers are one dimensional so they need  these two who will bowl their 4 overs in 90% of their matches.
 

 

Wade and in 2016 that WI guy I am

not getting his name who struck 4 sixes to win them World Cup. Wade was WK and that WI guy was allrounder. 
 

Pandya has under achieved a lot and needs to kicked out but  we cannot do it for this world t20. It is too late to find a replacement.You are asking the VC to be left out of the team.

 

Parag could have gone in place of Jadeja but can he bowl his 4 overs?Do you think he can bowl 4-40 ?If answer is yes then Jadeja is wrong selection.

 

Nitish needs to build on this ipl and get ready for next world t20. I still feel

he is more batsman than a bowler.

 

Sorry  Tewatia cannot be fit into the team , he just does not bowl enough IMO.

 

Bumrah, Siraj and Kuldeep are bowlers who don’t bat either.

Some morons keep whining about Kohli, when was the last time India won 

any knock out match without him leading the way. If he under performs even a bit it is guarantee loss .

 

All our ICC wins came in without Kohli "leading the way". WT20 2007, WC 2011 and CT2013 came in without significant contributions from him. Gambhir was the man in WT2007 and WC2011 - who by the way overshadows Kohli's career contributions in ICC by a long way based on those 2 performances. And Dhawan was the standout performer in CT2013. In fact even in WC2015 and WC2019, Dhawan was the best performer for us before he got injured in the match against Aus in 2019.

[Ultimate_Game]

7 hours ago, putrevus said:

There is nothing else Kohli needs to prove in any format. He  was coming off his worst years in 2022 yet was best India batsman by a mile.

 

He will be just fine again in June and we should all hope he gets some help this time around.

 

He hasn't done anything yet and everything to prove. He has yet to play even one match-defining innings in an away Test series the way Pant did in 2020-21 in Aus. The only significant win over the last decade has been India beating Aus away and that was after Kohli ran away with tail between his legs.

 

He has choked in 50 overs WC over the last decade and yet to make a difference in the knockouts. As for WT20, Kohli has been good for only scores around 160, and even there yet to make a difference. Gambhir's contributions have been much more significant in ICC  tourneys in a short span of 2007-2011 than Kohli's entire career. And someone like Travis Head had more match-defining and knockout performances in one year (2023) than Kohli's entire almost 2 decade career across WCs, WTCs, and WT20 

[Ultimate_Game]

10 hours ago, putrevus said:

How is it Kohli’s fault if they don’t have lower order batting or openers not firing.

 

They have been winning what ever they won only due to one batsman.

 

And what exactly have they won? India's best result over the last  decade has been beating Aus in Aus on the back of Pant's heroics. And Kohli's contribution in that series was dropping Pant in the 1st match in favor of Saha! And then running away with his tail between his legs where our youngsters under the captaincy of Rahane won that series - probably the greatest test series ever.

 

It's something to ponder that the best Indian Test captain during Kohli's captaincy reign has been Rahane. Rahane lad the team in Aus in 2020-21 and won that series with youngsters, and he was the captain who beat Aus in India by winning the 3rd test at Dharamshala where he backed Kuldeep.

[Vijy]

2 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Sai Kishore is better bowler than both Axar & Jadeja...though I agree he is more of a no 8 batter.

Nishant Sindhu is another one who ie exceptional so far..he is only 18-19 years old though and can even bat at no 6. He played for Haryana and batted many times above Tewatia. Manav Suthar too is a better bowler than both Axar & Jadeja and a capable no 8/9.

 

If our blind selectors would have developed them then things would have been a lot different.

 

Riyan Parag is capable bowler and has bowled good amount of overs in domestics. Can easily do the Maxwell level job with the ball..so does Tewatia.

 

We also need to develop Harshit Rana, Yudhvir Singh, Gurnoor Brar or Hangargekar for no 8/9 position. Raj Bawa is another allrounder who can bat at no 7.

 

Options are there, selectors need to open their myopic eyes and scan through. Salil Ankola was hanging out with his wife on the streets of Dehradun when the SMAT was going on. If we keep on believing these cheerleader commentators then we will never be able to come out of TINA factor.

Nishant Sindhu is best suited for Tests and ODIs. Can bat briskly in top 6, and seems a tight bowler. However, he does not seem T20 material because he is not a MO hitter.

[New guy]

20 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

How is Axar an upgrade over Jadeja ?

Rahul Tewatia is performing from last 2-3 years. Still no opportunity given to him. 

 

Also you and me we both now what Jadeja has done despite playing cricket for 15 years...I don't want to repeat it countless times but he is a failed investment in T20.

 

Matthew Wade scored 41(17)* vs Pakistan while batting at no 7 only ? Did he not win the game there ? is Jadeja only in the team for 21(18)* type knocks with bat & 4-32-0 type analysis with the ball.

 

Pandya is a failed investment because he hasn't grown. No point investing of someone who despite being talented is just lazy and arrogant. Kambli was more talented than Sachin but he underachived. Parag has turned this season around and he is lot focused, Pandya has gone the other way in comparison to when he started.

 

There are alternates like Raj Bawa or even Nitish Reddy who are young and have more hunger to perform on the bigger level than Pandya.

Some people are very happy with medicorty and average performance. They will also be very happy if team reaches the semi finals. They will always go with the safe approach and will be scared to make any changes. Most of our country is like this. 

[singhvivek141]

17 hours ago, Vijy said:

Nishant Sindhu is best suited for Tests and ODIs. Can bat briskly in top 6, and seems a tight bowler. However, he does not seem T20 material because he is not a MO hitter.

Ok, fair enough.

I saw his numbers in FC & List A..both are good. Hence thought it's just a matter of adaptability. Maybe he will improve as he is just 20.

 

Rahul Tewatia with ball averages under 30 in all formats..he should be used as no 6 or 7 batter for time being in T20's. He should be part of the team eyeing for T20 WC 2026.

 

 

[Vijy]

2 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Ok, fair enough.

I saw his numbers in FC & List A..both are good. Hence thought it's just a matter of adaptability. Maybe he will improve as he is just 20.

 

Rahul Tewatia with ball averages under 30 in all formats..he should be used as no 6 or 7 batter for time being in T20's. He should be part of the team eyeing for T20 WC 2026.

 

 

has stopped bowling in IPL. does not seem 5th bowler level, but could be 6th bowler level

[putrevus]

On 5/5/2024 at 8:53 PM, Ultimate_Game said:

 

All our ICC wins came in without Kohli "leading the way". WT20 2007, WC 2011 and CT2013 came in without significant contributions from him. Gambhir was the man in WT2007 and WC2011 - who by the way overshadows Kohli's career contributions in ICC by a long way based on those 2 performances. And Dhawan was the standout performer in CT2013. In fact even in WC2015 and WC2019, Dhawan was the best performer for us before he got injured in the match against Aus in 2019.

Moronic analysis. Sachin won World Cup in 2011. Does itmean Sachin was useless player till then , How many runs he scored in 2011 finals again?

 

 

[tapandrun]

On 5/6/2024 at 3:21 AM, New guy said:

Some people are very happy with medicorty and average performance. They will also be very happy if team reaches the semi finals. They will always go with the safe approach and will be scared to make any changes. Most of our country is like this. 

Semis for Ind in Odis should not be any deal, there are hardly 3/4 good ODis sides 

 

T20Is is tough for Ind as they do not have t20 approach even though having the biggest t20 league. No power hitters, no T20 specialist kind of batters with modern shots apart from, no multi-skilled players, no mystery bowler

 

[Ultimate_Game]

4 hours ago, putrevus said:

Moronic analysis. Sachin won World Cup in 2011. Does itmean Sachin was useless player till then , How many runs he scored in 2011 finals again?

 

 

 

Well, in the crunch Gambhir has out-performed SRT, and Tendulkar is hardly known for his prowess in knockouts. Kohli has simply continued that tradition of not showing up in knockouts. Kohli has had way many opportunities than SRT - Tendulkar didn't have a chance to play in WTCs or WT20s, and even CT (Champions Trophy) came along when SRT's peak was over. But Kohli has played across numerous tourneys - ODIs, T20s, WTCs and hasn't been a difference maker.

 

He could have at least managed to play a decent innings in WTC, where there was no pressure of run rate, or taken his team home in 2019 WC semi where the team was only chasing 240 and simply had to see off the new ball to win the game, or even 2023 WC final where Rohit had given a pretty good start and the score was 80 odd for 1 in 10 overs. Or he could have been the difference maker in 2015 WC semi when Dhawan had given the team a rousing start before Kohli came in and stalled the innings.

 

Kohli failed in every situation, and at this point it's a pattern, i.e., cometh the knockouts, choketh "King" Kohli. Failures across 1 or 2 or maybe 3 matches is defendable, but continuous failures across formats and across tourneys is not "moronic analysis" but a simple statement of fact. Maybe the "King" needs to learn something from Travis Head as I would gladly trade whatever Kohli has achieved in his career for 2 big-time knocks by Head which won them WTC and WC 2023. Wish King Kohli could do that.

[mikeypbadana86]

2 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Well, in the crunch Gambhir has out-performed SRT, and Tendulkar is hardly known for his prowess in knockouts. Kohli has simply continued that tradition of not showing up in knockouts. Kohli has had way many opportunities than SRT - Tendulkar didn't have a chance to play in WTCs or WT20s, and even CT (Champions Trophy) came along when SRT's peak was over. But Kohli has played across numerous tourneys - ODIs, T20s, WTCs and hasn't been a difference maker.

 

He could have at least managed to play a decent innings in WTC, where there was no pressure of run rate, or taken his team home in 2019 WC semi where the team was only chasing 240 and simply had to see off the new ball to win the game, or even 2023 WC final where Rohit had given a pretty good start and the score was 80 odd for 1 in 10 overs. Or he could have been the difference maker in 2015 WC semi when Dhawan had given the team a rousing start before Kohli came in and stalled the innings.

 

Kohli failed in every situation, and at this point it's a pattern, i.e., cometh the knockouts, choketh "King" Kohli. Failures across 1 or 2 or maybe 3 matches is defendable, but continuous failures across formats and across tourneys is not "moronic analysis" but a simple statement of fact. Maybe the "King" needs to learn something from Travis Head as I would gladly trade whatever Kohli has achieved in his career for 2 big-time knocks by Head which won them WTC and WC 2023. Wish King Kohli could do that.

 

selective analysis. Kohli had crucial contributions in the following

2014 t20 semis, 2014 t20 final ( could not get strike in the last 5 overs due to yuvraj messing it up) 

2016 t20 virtual quarter final, 2016 t20 semis against west indies

crucial game against 2022 t20 against pakistan

 

2013 CT final (shortened t20 match) . kohli scored well. check cricinfo 

 

2015 ODI semis---- genuine failure

 

2019- very unlucky to get an umpire's call decision going against him. The lbw was barely hitting the stump. DRS called umpires call. 50-50 decision gone wrong.

 

2023- semis 100 with others scoring as well

 

2023 final--------started in an attacking manner scoring 3 boundaries , consecutive against starc. Rohit has thrown it away over attacking Maxwell. Kohli was building a beautiful partnership. Rohit did not last more than 10 overs all through out the ODI World Cup. The pitch doctoring meant, the pitch became very slow and undone India. He scored 54 off 63 and set to take india along , was not to be. It was KL Rahuls innings of 66 off 107 balls which messed up Indias chance. Stop blaming kohli here.

 

 

Do not treat finals as the only knock out games, semis/quarter finals too count as knock outs. overall he did well.

 

[putrevus]

11 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Well, in the crunch Gambhir has out-performed SRT, and Tendulkar is hardly known for his prowess in knockouts. Kohli has simply continued that tradition of not showing up in knockouts. Kohli has had way many opportunities than SRT - Tendulkar didn't have a chance to play in WTCs or WT20s, and even CT (Champions Trophy) came along when SRT's peak was over. But Kohli has played across numerous tourneys - ODIs, T20s, WTCs and hasn't been a difference maker.

 

He could have at least managed to play a decent innings in WTC, where there was no pressure of run rate, or taken his team home in 2019 WC semi where the team was only chasing 240 and simply had to see off the new ball to win the game, or even 2023 WC final where Rohit had given a pretty good start and the score was 80 odd for 1 in 10 overs. Or he could have been the difference maker in 2015 WC semi when Dhawan had given the team a rousing start before Kohli came in and stalled the innings.

 

Kohli failed in every situation, and at this point it's a pattern, i.e., cometh the knockouts, choketh "King" Kohli. Failures across 1 or 2 or maybe 3 matches is defendable, but continuous failures across formats and across tourneys is not "moronic analysis" but a simple statement of fact. Maybe the "King" needs to learn something from Travis Head as I would gladly trade whatever Kohli has achieved in his career for 2 big-time knocks by Head which won them WTC and WC 2023. Wish King Kohli could do that.

Sorry I don't have patience to  read thru your moronic analysis.

 

As I said in replyto your other post Kohli doesn't need any validation,he is undisputed best player of his generation.

 

 

Edited May 8 by putrevus

[vvvslaxman]

Kohii 76 balls 90 runs in world T20, 2022 against spinners  118 strike rate

Kohli 32 balls 24 runs in world T20, 2021 against spinners  75 strike rate

Kohli's 26 balls 32 runs in West Indies. 123 Strike rate

 

vs shakib strike rate 87

vs zampa strike rate 123

vs shadab strike rate 105

 

This is good for ODIs. Not T20s.

 

[vvvslaxman]

Commentators truly don't talk about one aspect of Kohli enough.

 

Last 5 years ( from 2018-2023) Most catches dropped by an Indian

 

1) Virat Kohli 37 catches

2) Shreyas Iyer 11 catches 

3) Arshdeep 9 catches

4) KL Rahul 6 catches

5) Mo Shami - 5 catches

 

[vvvslaxman]