Sick of sycophant commentators aka kohli paid media

[mani sha]

Watching kohli today play the power plays with snails pace made me churn , a 100 at subpar run rate is not what’s neeeded from an opener . 
 

opener getting a quick 35 off 15-17 balls sets the pace for the team .

 

not a single commentator critisizing kohli . 
 

his daddy hundreds in t20 are similar to Zimbabar . At least baber has an excuse of poor batsmen arnd him . 
 

todays 100 by kohli is actually the reason I have no hopes for India this World Cup . 
 

 

Edited April 6 by mani sha
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[I6MTW]

It's not only the commenters. Entire social media is praising Kohli, for his knock, saying what can Kohli do, bechara Kohli stuck in a poor team, poor bowlers, no support from other batsmen etc. Kohli single handedly carried team to a winning total, 157 strike rate is not slow etc. As long as Indian media, Indian commentators, Indian fans/Indian public don't understand how modern cricket and T20s work, India will never win anything. This glorification, idol worship, etc needs to stop. Idk if it's because of Indian culture or the nature of Hindu ideologies, where every heroic figure is worshipped and treated like a god or an incarnation of one. You see it from the Indian public, be it worship for actors, politicians, cricketers, etc. They would be elevated by the Indian public to the status of a god. When, back in the day, we had folks calling Sachin as God of Cricket, that itself was problematic and foolish, setting wrong precedents for future generations. 

[Vk1]

1 hour ago, I6MTW said:

It's not only the commenters. Entire social media is praising Kohli, for his knock, saying what can Kohli do, bechara Kohli stuck in a poor team, poor bowlers, no support from other batsmen etc. Kohli single handedly carried team to a winning total, 157 strike rate is not slow etc. As long as Indian media, Indian commentators, Indian fans/Indian public don't understand how modern cricket and T20s work, India will never win anything. This glorification, idol worship, etc needs to stop. Idk if it's because of Indian culture or the nature of Hindu ideologies, where every heroic figure is worshipped and treated like a god or an incarnation of one. You see it from the Indian public, be it worship for actors, politicians, cricketers, etc. They would be elevated by the Indian public to the status of a god. When, back in the day, we had folks calling Sachin as God of Cricket, that itself was problematic and foolish, setting wrong precedents for future generations. 

its a combination of all of that plus a poor/ under developed country trying to come out of poverty - always a country which looks for individual heroes rather than strong institutions. 

[cricketfan28]

They are doing their job , can't blame them , we would like to think otherwise but most of ipl success is due to sooper stars.

 

[Ultimate_Game]

1 minute ago, cricketfan28 said:

They are doing their job , can't blame them , we would like to think otherwise but most of ipl success is due to sooper stars.

 

Yup, IPL and India has turned into EPL and England, where mediocre local talent earns millions of pounds, and national team don't win anything.

[lemsip]

10 hours ago, I6MTW said:

It's not only the commenters. Entire social media is praising Kohli, for his knock, saying what can Kohli do, bechara Kohli stuck in a poor team, poor bowlers, no support from other batsmen etc. Kohli single handedly carried team to a winning total, 157 strike rate is not slow etc. As long as Indian media, Indian commentators, Indian fans/Indian public don't understand how modern cricket and T20s work, India will never win anything. This glorification, idol worship, etc needs to stop. Idk if it's because of Indian culture or the nature of Hindu ideologies, where every heroic figure is worshipped and treated like a god or an incarnation of one. You see it from the Indian public, be it worship for actors, politicians, cricketers, etc. They would be elevated by the Indian public to the status of a god. When, back in the day, we had folks calling Sachin as God of Cricket, that itself was problematic and foolish, setting wrong precedents for future generations. 

Well said. It was the same in the world cup where the commentariat was obsessed with Kohli milestones above all else.

Kohli has got to a stage where RCB are just providing a convenient platform for him to score runs for milestones. He has started finding excuses to duck out of crunch test series completely and magically appears for IPL without any thoughts of a break. RCB is continuing to not win anything despite these histrionics but as you say in India that is secondary as hero-worship is not a results based vocation.

[Vk1]

7 hours ago, lemsip said:

Well said. It was the same in the world cup where the commentariat was obsessed with Kohli milestones above all else.

Kohli has got to a stage where RCB are just providing a convenient platform for him to score runs for milestones. He has started finding excuses to duck out of crunch test series completely and magically appears for IPL without any thoughts of a break. RCB is continuing to not win anything despite these histrionics but as you say in India that is secondary as hero-worship is not a results based vocation.

 

In the recent times whenever Kohli scores at SR 130/140 and says its a par score calling pitch slow, it turns out to be disastrous for his team. He was smiling and cheerful yesterday despite going at  140 strikerate with RCB's qualification pretty much on line. He just didn't give an opportunity for a Romario Sheperd kind of innings. And yet fans are happy.  RCB as a franchise and its regressive fan base suck. 

[Chaos]

On 4/7/2024 at 9:20 AM, Vk1 said:

 

In the recent times whenever Kohli scores at SR 130/140 and says its a par score calling pitch slow, it turns out to be disastrous for his team. He was smiling and cheerful yesterday despite going at  140 strikerate with RCB's qualification pretty much on line. He just didn't give an opportunity for a Romario Sheperd kind of innings. And yet fans are happy.  RCB as a franchise and its regressive fan base suck. 

what did other 10 players in the team do? Jack ****. He had 100 avg in wc and yes he will play. Tell other rcb players to contribute. They seem to go fishing in dream land

[kosingh]

Didn't think slowest 100 in IPL history would come in 2024. Would have thought that would have happened in the first few editions of the tournament. But with Tuk Tuk king...

[lemsip]

8 hours ago, Chaos said:

what did other 10 players in the team do? Jack ****. He had 100 avg in wc and yes he will play. Tell other rcb players to contribute. They seem to go fishing in dream land

There is no point in blaming the other batsmen when they are getting limited deliveries to face. Kohli opens the innings and eats up the balls available for other players because he prioritises wicket preservation above all. He opened and batted through the last 2 games, did not get dismissed and saw his team put up a  losing score with more than half of their batsmen unable to get a single ball to face. He would serve his team better by taking more risks and getting out in pursuit of an extra 30-40 runs especially when setting a total.

This style hasn't worked for any team and the only person it is working for is Kohli as it is allowing him to put up the milestones.

Edited April 9 by lemsip

[diga]

On 4/6/2024 at 10:27 PM, mani sha said:

Watching kohli today play the power plays with snails pace made me churn , a 100 at subpar run rate is not what’s neeeded from an opener . 
 

opener getting a quick 35 off 15-17 balls sets the pace for the team .

 

not a single commentator critisizing kohli . 
 

his daddy hundreds in t20 are similar to Zimbabar . At least baber has an excuse of poor batsmen arnd him . 
 

todays 100 by kohli is actually the reason I have no hopes for India this World Cup . 
 

 

Remember this match 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/indian-premier-league-2011-466304/mumbai-indians-vs-kochi-tuskers-kerala-13th-match-501210/full-scorecard

 

The great man's 100 also went in vain

[New guy]

17 hours ago, Chaos said:

what did other 10 players in the team do? Jack ****. He had 100 avg in wc and yes he will play. Tell other rcb players to contribute. They seem to go fishing in dream land

Sigh, when will these fans understand that weak lower and finishers is a RESULT of stat padders on top. It's a feature not a bug

 

It's NOT a coincidence that every team Kohli goes has the same excuse that no one else plays. His style of play never allows middle and finisher to do their thing

 

Pakistan had the same excuse with babar and rizwan stat padding, oh no one else plays, oh middle order is weak.

 

People like you have it backwards, no one else contributing is BECAUSE of stat padders on top, the same players play very well when they leave RCB and go elsewhere, we have clear examples like Dube. Also same for Indian team, pant, Samson etc play very well when there is no stat padders in in their IPL team.

 

Also averages count for JACK **** in t20s, at one point babar was averaging over 60 in t20 but no one will call himma great t20 batsmen. You just need to take no risk and you will have great average in t20

Edited April 9 by New guy

[sensible-indian]

38 minutes ago, New guy said:

Sigh, when will these fans understand that weak lower and finishers is a RESULT of stat padders on top. It's a feature not a bug

 

It's NOT a coincidence that every team Kohli goes has the same excuse that no one else plays. His style of play never allows middle and finisher to do their thing

 

Pakistan had the same excuse with babar and rizwan stat padding, oh no one else plays, oh middle order is weak.

 

People like you have it backwards, no one else contributing is BECAUSE of stat padders on top, the same players play very well when they leave RCB and go elsewhere, we have clear examples like Dube. Also same for Indian team, pant, Samson etc play very well when there is no stat padders in in their IPL team.

 

Also averages count for JACK **** in t20s, at one point babar was averaging over 60 in t20 but no one will call himma great t20 batsmen. You just need to take no risk and you will have great average in t20

105 out of 120 balls played by Kohli and Faf.

 

But why didnt others score 50-75 runs in the remaining 15 balls?

 

Horrible batsmen.

 

They should have smashed each of those 15 balls for 4 and RCB would have won.

 

Selfish lower order bats cant even bat at 400 SR for Kohli.

 

Sickening.

Edited April 9 by sensible-indian

[putrevus]

Kohli is doing just fine. You don't need to score 40 ball 100s to play winning role and that was never his game.As long as he is using IPL to get his batting in order for t20 world cup.He will be just fine.

 

He still is the most important batsman in t20 lineup. We all saw how well so called Abhishek with his FC avg of 30 fared at slightest amount of swing.

 

 

We all saw how well Indian team did in world cup finals in October once he he did not score 100.

 

 

We can revisit if he is needed or not when we find someone better.

[lemsip]

25 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Kohli is doing just fine. You don't need to score 40 ball 100s to play winning role and that was never his game.As long as he is using IPL to get his batting in order for t20 world cup.He will be just fine.

 

Kohli is not playing a "winning role" either for RCB despite loads of runs as an opener. He hasn't helped them win anything in more than a decade of IPL. He may be just fine on a personal basis but India is a poor T20 tournament side in need of reinvention and his style when adopted by the team will lead to the same results India have had for more than a decade. Lots of personal milestones yet no power or aggression when it is needed.  India have plenty of hungry youngsters but who do not get a look-in because risk free approaches hold the sway. Indian youngsters  showed they could cope without Kohli in test matches and they can certainly do that in the T20 format.

 

Edited April 9 by lemsip

[putrevus]

15 minutes ago, lemsip said:

Kohli is not playing a "winning role" either for RCB despite loads of runs as an opener. He hasn't helped them win anything in more than a decade of IPL. He may be just fine on a personal basis but India is a poor T20 tournament side in need of reinvention and his style when adopted by the team will lead to the same results India have had for more than a decade. Lots of personal milestones yet no power or aggression when it is needed.  India have plenty of hungry youngsters but who do not get a look-in because risk free approaches hold the sway. Indian youngsters  showed they could cope without Kohli in test matches and they can certainly do that in the T20 format.

 

Is it Kohli the only player for RCB, I don't care how RCB does or does not to be honest.

 

He has everything you still need in t20 player.Kohli has not stopped any youngster from playing either.

 

No India does not have many players.Ashwin and jadeja were still needed to win matches in India along with Rohit Sharma even in India.

 

No player is above the team.I said many times if India is sending a completely young team, I am all for it.

 

That means no Rohit, Bumrah, Pandya, if anyone of the senior guys is selected , then Kohli is still the first name on the team.

 

 

[lemsip]

14 minutes ago, putrevus said:

He has everything you still need in t20 player.Kohli has not stopped any youngster from playing either.

 

Actually as we are seeing for RCB the way he is batting leaves very few balls for the others to play so it becomes all about Kohli. 

The template that is likely to work against the big hitting teams is what we saw in a recent MI vs DC match where they put up 234 as the highest target for the opposition to chase without a single batsman scoring a 50. Kohli can easily play that way if he wanted to but wicket preservation is deeply ingrained in his style now and that is not a positive in this format as it stops you taking risks which the opposition will when they bat.

If he is the great T20 batsman you are claiming he is, how come neither his club nor his national team have been successful in winning anything in this format for well over a decade while he has been the key player ?

I would agree that I would get rid of Rohit as well. India are not winning anything with the oldies anyway so might as well go in with some fresh youth into the format where that can easily be an asset. When I look at some of the West Indian and SA sloggers, India just look very underwhelming.

The only senior player who really is firing and is a class apart is Bumrah.

[putrevus]

2 hours ago, lemsip said:

Actually as we are seeing for RCB the way he is batting leaves very few balls for the others to play so it becomes all about Kohli. 

The template that is likely to work against the big hitting teams is what we saw in a recent MI vs DC match where they put up 234 as the highest target for the opposition to chase without a single batsman scoring a 50. Kohli can easily play that way if he wanted to but wicket preservation is deeply ingrained in his style now and that is not a positive in this format as it stops you taking risks which the opposition will when they bat.

If he is the great T20 batsman you are claiming he is, how come neither his club nor his national team have been successful in winning anything in this format for well over a decade while he has been the key player ?

I would agree that I would get rid of Rohit as well. India are not winning anything with the oldies anyway so might as well go in with some fresh youth into the format where that can easily be an asset. When I look at some of the West Indian and SA sloggers, India just look very underwhelming.

The only senior player who really is firing and is a class apart is Bumrah.

He bats at number 3 for India. If  openers in Rohit and Rahul score majority of runs, he does not even have to bat.

 

Come back and talk to me when Bumrah does something in clutch.

 

You want to kick one guy who has scored in all the important matches in t20 world cup since  2014. Kohli has been lone warrior. 

 

When was 230 was scored in world t20 knockouts ??? Did I miss that match?

 

170-190 is still  a winning score IMO.

 

England won their t20 world cup due to their bowling not their so called bating fire power.

 

 

[mani sha]

8 hours ago, New guy said:

Sigh, when will these fans understand that weak lower and finishers is a RESULT of stat padders on top. It's a feature not a bug

 

It's NOT a coincidence that every team Kohli goes has the same excuse that no one else plays. His style of play never allows middle and finisher to do their thing

 

Pakistan had the same excuse with babar and rizwan stat padding, oh no one else plays, oh middle order is weak.

 

People like you have it backwards, no one else contributing is BECAUSE of stat padders on top, the same players play very well when they leave RCB and go elsewhere, we have clear examples like Dube. Also same for Indian team, pant, Samson etc play very well when there is no stat padders in in their IPL team.

 

Also averages count for JACK **** in t20s, at one point babar was averaging over 60 in t20 but no one will call himma great t20 batsmen. You just need to take no risk and you will have great average in t20

Best post ever . 
 

what is surprising is not one commentator has critisized kohli.  

 

T20 is a game of strike rate . Higher the risk , higher rewards likely .

 

sharma changed his style of batting . 
brat is just obsessed with 100s 

 

amy team in limited overs he is with , has most chance of loosing . His 100 obsession plus his weakness against spin makes him an opposition favourite player . 
 

with such fearless players like jaiswal , why would u make kohli opening in t20 . 
we will already have pandya - a kohli style accumulator. Dont think kohli needs to be taken to wc 

 

sharma 

Jaiswal 

sky 

rinku 

dube 

axar / jadeja /sundar - one of them 

pandya / thakur / rana - one of them 

Kishan / rahul ( both are flexible and keep well . Rahul reviews well and Kishan when opening plays selflessly ) 

Kuldeep 

Mayank 

Shami 

bumrah 

bishnoi 

 

enough bowling , enough batting firepower and enough combos 

 

adding kohli will just ruin team composition before we begin game 

once we begin game , his antiques take over . Then his fans want some 100 and will blame no 7 for not hitting 6 sixes in an over. 

 

[mani sha]

2 hours ago, putrevus said:

He bats at number 3 for India. If  openers in Rohit and Rahul score majority of runs, he does not even have to bat.

 

Come back and talk to me when Bumrah does something in clutch.

 

You want to kick one guy who has scored in all the important matches in t20 world cup since  2014. Kohli has been lone warrior. 

 

When was 230 was scored in world t20 knockouts ??? Did I miss that match?

 

170-190 is still  a winning score IMO.

 

England won their t20 world cup due to their bowling not their so called bating fire power.

 

 

Batting and out batting gets u odi and t20 wc 

 

bowing - esp one which can help defend totals and not be like unadkat is all u need . 
 

it’s a batsman’s game - t20 . And even odi . Unless u tamper pitch ..