maniac Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 (edited) No good spinner on the horizon for a country at one point of time had spinners in domestics good enough to be in starting lineups of most top cricket nations. Lot of Fast bowlers, allrounders, batsmen coming though, obviously a lot of garbage in there as well but by sheer volumes some very exciting talent coming though however spin cupboard looks bare. Edited April 9 by maniac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollingstoned Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 Not true there are some good spinners in domestic cricket but we are not producing many right arm finger spinners if at all. Only jalaj saxena and Jayant Yadav apart from a few part time options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mesky99 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 Saransh jain should be playing ipl,. genuine spin all rounder, suyash sharma is impressive, manav suthar, sai kishore, siddharth Desai quite a few tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 Collar chewers is coming back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijy Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 2 hours ago, maniac said: No good spinner on the horizon for a country at one point of time had spinners in domestics good enough to be in starting lineups of most top cricket nations. Lot of Fast bowlers, allrounders, batsmen coming though, obviously a lot of garbage in there as well but by sheer volumes some very exciting talent coming though however spin cupboard looks bare. we are fine in home Tests IMO. Kuldeep will be lead spinner, and I expect to see some SLAs come through (kartikeya, mulani, sindhu, suthar, sai kishore, ajith ram, etc) dodiya needs to be properly nurtured among offies. no leggies on horizon barring suyash, who has only played limited overs maniac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted April 9 Author Share Posted April 9 46 minutes ago, Vijy said: we are fine in home Tests IMO. Kuldeep will be lead spinner, and I expect to see some SLAs come through (kartikeya, mulani, sindhu, suthar, sai kishore, ajith ram, etc) dodiya needs to be properly nurtured among offies. no leggies on horizon barring suyash, who has only played limited overs Sai Kishore, Brar etc seem smart white ball bowlers. Dont see an exciting spintalent like Ashwin, Kumble, Bhajji etc. Jaddu is a boring spinner but effective.Misraji, Chawla were also exciting talents when they started. Only Kuldeep is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijy Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 2 minutes ago, maniac said: Sai Kishore, Brar etc seem smart white ball bowlers. Dont see an exciting spintalent like Ashwin, Kumble, Bhajji etc. Jaddu is a boring spinner but effective.Misraji, Chawla were also exciting talents when they started. Only Kuldeep is there. Kuldeep is far better than Chawla and Mishra, even when they were at their peak. Ashwin and Kumble were never "exciting spin talents", especially Kumble. We will be fine on Ind pitches. overseas, we can play 4+1 (kuldeep) or occasionally 3+2 (kuldeep + one SLA AR, as there are many of them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted April 9 Author Share Posted April 9 1 hour ago, Vijy said: Kuldeep is far better than Chawla and Mishra, even when they were at their peak. Ashwin and Kumble were never "exciting spin talents", especially Kumble. We will be fine on Ind pitches. overseas, we can play 4+1 (kuldeep) or occasionally 3+2 (kuldeep + one SLA AR, as there are many of them). Kumble is one of the icons and benchmark for fastish spinners and a unique bowler in the history of cricket. He was a pretty premium player. Maybe the newer fans who see him as a coach etc don’t see it but he was a very exciting talent. In fact he missed 92 wc due to Shastri. Who knows, we lost a couple of close games in 92 which we might have qualified had we won, so maybe story would have been different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted April 9 Author Share Posted April 9 (edited) @Vijy you missed the context totally. I am not comparing Kuldeep with Mishra or Chawla. Kuldeep is obviously way ahead in every which way. I said they were exciting prodigies when they started and it’s a different matter their career didn’t go far. Brar, Sai Kishore etc seem very run of the mill. Suyuash looks decent but rest are very unimpressive. Edited April 9 by maniac Vijy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Realist Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, maniac said: @Vijy you missed the context totally. I am not comparing Kuldeep with Mishra or Chawla. Kuldeep is obviously way ahead in every which way. I said they were exciting prodigies when they started and it’s a different matter their career didn’t go far. Brar, Sai Kishore etc seem very run of the mill. Suyuash looks decent but rest are very unimpressive. Piyush was rated as soon as he came on the scene. Even though he did not do justice to the hype/talent one could never stay mad at those chubby cheeks. Mishra too never delivered on his talent apart from the occasional performances. Even blew all his savings on hair transplants in the forlorn hope of regaining national team spot. Sad thing is since then with exception of Kuldeep Yadav, who too has wasted years in the wilderness, the talent in the spinning cupboard has been bare. Edited April 9 by The Realist maniac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandz Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 Suyash looked good last IPL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 10 hours ago, rollingstoned said: Not true there are some good spinners in domestic cricket but we are not producing many right arm finger spinners if at all. Only jalaj saxena and Jayant Yadav apart from a few part time options. World problem. Dying art. Vijy and rollingstoned 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 Off spinners are very hard to survive. Teams prefer a batsman with slightly above average off spin skills rather than specialist spin. But i think we have plethora of left arm spinners. Manav suthar Nishant Sindhu Manimaran Siddharth Brar Sai Kishore DOn't go by six hitting against those bowlers bowling with wet ball. There is this under-19 bowler Saumy Pandey. He was the highest wicket taker alongwith mapaka in the under-19 world cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 (edited) Anti chucking rules has more or less ended off spin. Saqlain (don't go by whitewashing attempts by Pak fans), Murali, Bhajji, Ajmal, Hafeez, Senanayake all had dodgy actions and would have had to modify their action in present environment. Ajmal with his remodeled action struggled to make his FC team. Narine is allowed to chuck in leagues, that is why he is hesitant to represent WI, will be called for chucking and whole lot of problems after that. Bhajji was basically doing javelin throws in his last few IPL seasons, IPL can never be taken seriously until it complies with ICC rules. Todd Murphy is the last hope and if he lives up to initial promise, will be the biggest threat to our invincible home streak. Undecided about Bashir. Edited April 10 by Gollum rollingstoned 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijy Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 17 minutes ago, Gollum said: Anti chucking rules has more or less ended off spin. Saqlain (don't go by whitewashing attempts by Pak fans), Murali, Bhajji, Ajmal, Hafeez, Senanayake all had dodgy actions and would have had to modify their action in present environment. Ajmal with his remodeled action struggled to make his FC team. Narine is allowed to chuck in leagues, that is why he is hesitant to represent WI, will be called for chucking and whole lot of problems after that. Bhajji was basically doing javelin throws in his last few IPL seasons, IPL can never be taken seriously until it complies with ICC rules. Todd Murphy is the last hope and if he lives up to initial promise, will be the biggest threat to our invincible home streak. Undecided about Bashir. Miss the days of great offies who didn't chuck: prasanna, jim laker, lance gibbs, hugh tayfield, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollingstoned Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 32 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Off spinners are very hard to survive. Teams prefer a batsman with slightly above average off spin skills rather than specialist spin. But i think we have plethora of left arm spinners. Manav suthar Nishant Sindhu Manimaran Siddharth Brar Sai Kishore DOn't go by six hitting against those bowlers bowling with wet ball. There is this under-19 bowler Saumy Pandey. He was the highest wicket taker alongwith mapaka in the under-19 world cup You forgot forgot Shams Mulani and Saurabh Kumar too. Not sure if there are as many good wrist spinners on domestic cricket. They may be seen as liability like fast bowlers by coaches at that level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollingstoned Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 7 hours ago, maniac said: Sai Kishore, Brar etc seem smart white ball bowlers. Dont see an exciting spintalent like Ashwin, Kumble, Bhajji etc. Jaddu is a boring spinner but effective.Misraji, Chawla were also exciting talents when they started. Only Kuldeep is there. He was the highest wicket taker in Ranji this year. If he seems a smart white ball bowler it is because he is a good bowler in any way format of the game at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijy Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 41 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Off spinners are very hard to survive. Teams prefer a batsman with slightly above average off spin skills rather than specialist spin. But i think we have plethora of left arm spinners. Manav suthar Nishant Sindhu Manimaran Siddharth Brar Sai Kishore DOn't go by six hitting against those bowlers bowling with wet ball. There is this under-19 bowler Saumy Pandey. He was the highest wicket taker alongwith mapaka in the under-19 world cup there are many more than the ones you named in FC: kumar kartikeya and ajith ram are two more. there's also the 17-18 yr old hardik raj. also shams mulani. In off spinning ARs, tanush kotian is there, though his bowling looks anodyne rollingstoned 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickydev Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 Kotian has potential. He needs to work on his consistency but could be a long term Ashwin replacement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 1 hour ago, rollingstoned said: He was the highest wicket taker in Ranji this year. If he seems a smart white ball bowler it is because he is a good bowler in any way format of the game at this point. It was unfair to drop him after 2 sixes. He is probably the best left-arm spinner in domestic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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