putrevus Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 3 hours ago, rkt.india said: If the ball loses shape, it has to be changed. Blame the ball maker, not them. Agreed but why is it only England's bowlers are losing shape.They mysteriously lose shape when opposing batsmen are doing well. Sgattick10 1 Link to comment
Ultimate_Game Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 6 hours ago, rkt.india said: If the ball loses shape, it has to be changed. Blame the ball maker, not them. Very curious that the ball only loses shape when England is bowling, and with such frequency. And also it happens only when England bowlers are not picking up wkt Sgattick10 1 Link to comment
Zero_Unit Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 "We were told they didn't have old enough balls to replace. It changed the entire momentum of the game. You work so hard to get rid of that shine, and we did that. Once the ball was changed, it was a whole different game." So, why wouldn't SL be offered the same if they didn't have enough balls? Gotta be fair for both side. Would like to see if the betting market betted on this. Tillu 1 Link to comment
Ultimate_Game Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 13 minutes ago, Zero_Unit said: "We were told they didn't have old enough balls to replace. It changed the entire momentum of the game. You work so hard to get rid of that shine, and we did that. Once the ball was changed, it was a whole different game." So, why wouldn't SL be offered the same if they didn't have enough balls? Gotta be fair for both side. Would like to see if the betting market betted on this. This is where match refs have to step in and apply some common sense. I would've let England bowl with that old ball if there was no ball available with similar wear and tear. In cricket a team spends so much of effort to play off the new ball and remove shine off it so they can capitalize. If umpires are gonna hand the home team a newish ball after that, it's a huge disadvantage to the opponents. I hope likes of Wasim Jaffar and Akash Chopra go after Michael Vaughan and England on twitter. Now we know what Bazball is all about. It's a way for England to maximize their home advantage via unregulated ball changes, and no wonder Bazball only works in England. Zero_Unit 1 Link to comment
Sgattick10 Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 Thank God Angelo talked about this. This nonsense has been going on for last 4-5 yrs or maybe even more. Happened during India's last tour as well. Every time there is a partnership, the ball gets old, stops swinging they deliberately change the shape by over through or pull the seam to get a newer ball and the Umps just turn a blind eye to the home team. Finally players and teams need to come out and talk about this. AuxiliA, Ultimate_Game and Tillu 1 2 Link to comment
Nikhil_cric Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 15 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said: This is where match refs have to step in and apply some common sense. I would've let England bowl with that old ball if there was no ball available with similar wear and tear. In cricket a team spends so much of effort to play off the new ball and remove shine off it so they can capitalize. If umpires are gonna hand the home team a newish ball after that, it's a huge disadvantage to the opponents. I hope likes of Wasim Jaffar and Akash Chopra go after Michael Vaughan and England on twitter. Now we know what Bazball is all about. It's a way for England to maximize their home advantage via unregulated ball changes, and no wonder Bazball only works in England. Called this 2 years ago. They are gaming the ball change rule. That's what Bazball is about in home conditions. High risk batting is the distraction Ultimate_Game 1 Link to comment
Suhaan Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 10 hours ago, Sgattick10 said: Thank God Angelo talked about this. This nonsense has been going on for last 4-5 yrs or maybe even more. Happened during India's last tour as well. Every time there is a partnership, the ball gets old, stops swinging they deliberately change the shape by over through or pull the seam to get a newer ball and the Umps just turn a blind eye to the home team. Finally players and teams need to come out and talk about this. Ye haramjade yahi sab karke Sara kuch twist wist karke ek tho WC scam kar gaye Sgattick10 1 Link to comment
Tillu Posted August 27 Author Share Posted August 27 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said: Called this 2 years ago. They are gaming the ball change rule. That's what Bazball is about in home conditions. High risk batting is the distraction Why are these things not discussed on PP. They always turn a blind eye to the mis deeds by England. Yeah I saw you raising this issue on PP in one of the threads but it didn't get any traction.Somebody should instead open a thread on this and discuss. Didn't see any thread on PP about the current topic. Edited August 27 by Tillu Link to comment
Tillu Posted August 27 Author Share Posted August 27 On 8/25/2024 at 10:30 PM, neel roy said: Honestly if you have to blame blame an Indian. Dilip Jajodia. The founder and owner of Duke balls. Its his product which is creating the mess. Even if he is the owner he wouldn't be preparing these balls without the blessings of ECB. They definitely have a hand in this. Link to comment
Nikhil_cric Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 1 hour ago, Tillu said: Even if he is the owner he wouldn't be preparing these balls without the blessings of ECB. They definitely have a hand in this. Yep. They are the only major board buying that specific product of Dukes. Windies are a minor board and use a slightly different product It's foolish to think ECB have no say over this considering they are the Dukes' biggest customer. It's been 3 seasons and they have still not addressed the quality issues ? They're deliberately not addressing this issue. Tillu 1 Link to comment
Austin 3:!6 Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 (edited) Angelo Matthews cries too much. He moaned a lot against Bangladesh also when they timed him out. Edited August 27 by Austin 3:!6 Chaos 1 Link to comment
Ultimate_Game Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 On 8/25/2024 at 1:00 PM, neel roy said: Honestly if you have to blame blame an Indian. Dilip Jajodia. The founder and owner of Duke balls. Its his product which is creating the mess. 6 hours ago, Tillu said: Even if he is the owner he wouldn't be preparing these balls without the blessings of ECB. They definitely have a hand in this. IMO it's time for ICC to standardize cricket ball. We've too many such as Kookaburra, Dukes, SG etc. and they all vary. Some have prominent seam, some lose their shine after 10-15 overs, some keep on swinging till 40 over mark etc. Already we've multiple pitches players need to adapt to, and at the very least a standard cricket ball should be mandatory. Enough of home teams coming up with their own dodgy brands to extract even more advantage. Tillu and neel roy 1 1 Link to comment
Ultimate_Game Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 6 hours ago, Tillu said: Why are these things not discussed on PP. They always turn a blind eye to the mis deeds by England. Yeah I saw you raising this issue on PP in one of the threads but it didn't get any traction.Somebody should instead open a thread on this and discuss. Didn't see any thread on PP about the current topic. Who cares what PeePee thinks? Don't think it'll be discussed there for the following reasons... 1. Majority of the braindead fans there don't have the intellect to grasp what replacing an oldish ball with a newish ball does. You need to remember they're the same fans who think Babar Azam is the second coming of Bradman, that Pak team is the best in the world, and that their phaast bowlers are the best in the world For remaining few (exceptions), which TBH are extremely rare and can be counted on your fingers... 2. They've turned into Eng and Aus fans coz they know that their team can't beat India and that Eng & Aus are the best bet to win against us. So now anything other teams do, it's all good and anything which India does is cheating and coz BCCI=ICC. 3. This changing of balls reminds them of their own dodgy history with bottle caps and tampering with the ball to enable reverse swing. We all know ho wtheir "phaast" bowlers disappeared once 3rd umpire and more TV cameras were introduced, and ball tampering became difficult. For them it would be akin to throwing stones against Eng when they themselves live in a glass house. After all Imran himself admitted to ball tampering and none of their players deny it as they started doing it under Sarfaraz Nawaz and the practice continued till early 2000s when ICC clamped down on it thanks to 3rd umpires, match refs and numerous cameras. Link to comment
Lord Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 On 8/27/2024 at 4:00 PM, Austin 3:!6 said: Angelo Matthews cries too much. He moaned a lot against Bangladesh also when they timed him out. Was justified both times. Tillu, Ultimate_Game and Sandz 3 Link to comment
Chaos Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 On 8/28/2024 at 3:06 PM, Lord said: Was justified both times. he just reminds me of U. Ultimate_Game 1 Link to comment
Lord Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 6 minutes ago, Chaos said: he just reminds me of U. and cheating poms remind me of you Chaos and Austin 3:!6 1 1 Link to comment
Chaos Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 1 hour ago, Lord said: and cheating poms remind me of you hey we keep it entertaining… Link to comment
Chaos Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 1 hour ago, Lord said: and cheating poms remind me of you yet u live there Link to comment
Chaos Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 6 hours ago, Lord said: and cheating poms remind me of you lodu wake up. Moderation time Link to comment
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