Will Hinduism become extinct?

[Muloghonto]

21 hours ago, AKane said:

Correct. Last 300 years or 500 years is verifiable history. Anything before that are fables and exaggerations.

 

False. And how convininent - 'what i support is verifiable history, everything else isnt'. 

 

21 hours ago, AKane said:

One might argue that the Mahabharat war that decimated life in India - esp Kshatriyas - was genocide, mass murder and waging war in the name of god or .... <drumroll> dharma!  If no problem with that then why the concern for the same in last 300 years?

Wrong argument. Mahabharata war isnt a war waged in name of religion/god. It a war waged in name of property and inheritence rights dispute. Nowhere in the mahabharata is religion invoked for the war like we see with the barbarians of abraham. 

Last i checked, mahabharata does not have slavery or colonialism like the last 300 years. Ergo, morally superior to westerners. 

 

[Muloghonto]

20 hours ago, AKane said:

See Christianity gives the simplistic and unbelievable explanation of everlasting life without sorrow after the resurrection to come. I don't believe it  but can understand it at least.

 

I do not understand the benefit of Moksha at all or what comes after that. Do you become a gandharva or deva or something?

 

You understand infinite reward/infinite punishment for finite act, but you do not understand cyclic purification based on actions of the individual. That just means you = idiot. 

 

[ravishingravi]

VS Naipaul in "India wounded civilization" - India will at the end be face to face with its own emptiness, the inadequacy of an old civilization which is cherished because it is all men have but which no longer answers their needs.

[AKane]

1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

You understand infinite reward/infinite punishment for finite act, but you do not understand cyclic purification based on actions of the individual. That just means you = idiot. 

 

The punishment started with eating the apple - now once that is taken care of (fallen world etc) it goes back to what was going on before eating the apple. The road is Jesus. It sounds moronic (and the talking serpents etc) but understandable..... But never mind a learned Hindu like you would not understand.....

 

And after all the lectures of purification there is still no answer to what happens after "Moksha".

Edited September 29, 2024 by AKane

[AKane]

1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

Mahabharata war isnt a war waged in name of religion/god.

Get real - there is non-stop reference to "Dharma" in the Mahabharat and the war to re-establish "Dharma".....Dharma this, Dharma that, Dharma here, there, everywhere.

 

BTW pity Dharma never taught people not to spit red paan stuff on clean walls, that would be more practical than "Shambhavami yuge yuge".

 

Edited September 29, 2024 by AKane

[coffee_rules]

7 minutes ago, AKane said:

The punishment started with eating the apple - now once that is taken care of it goes back to what was going on before eating the apple. It sounds moronic (and the talking serpents etc) but understandable..... But never mind a learned Hindu like you would not understand.....

 

And after all the lectures of purification there is still no answer to what happens after "Moksha".

Nothing happens to you after Moksha, you are dead, but your consciousness (atma) merges the state of satchitanand - state of supreme consciousness - parmaatma 

[Lannister]

22 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Indus Valley Civilization is a living proof that Indian subcontinent were technologically much more advanced than the world. But nothing lasts forever, cycle repeats itself.

Life doesn't follow any cycles. It moves forward according to Darwinian evolution and natural selection. The ones who adapt will endure, while those who fail to adapt will eventually die out.

[coffee_rules]

4 minutes ago, AKane said:

Get real - there is non-stop reference to "Dharma" in the Mahabharat and the war to re-establish "Dharma".....Dharma this, Dharma that, Dharma here, there, everywhere.

 

BTW pity Dharma never taught people not to spit red paan stuff on clean walls, that would be more practical than "Shambhavami yuge yuge".

 

That is problem with wrong translation- Dharma doesn’t mean religion. 

[Chaos]

1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

You understand infinite reward/infinite punishment for finite act, but you do not understand cyclic purification based on actions of the individual. That just means you = idiot. 

 

@zen bonobo is back from his uni

[AKane]

Questions for those who have all the answers....

 

So there are 4 yugas  Satyayug, Tretayug, Dwaparyug and Kaliyug. Everybody is busy living multiple lives in search of "Moksha".

 

At the end of Kaliyug some Kalki will come and end the world - at that point what happens to all the souls? Do they get "Moksha" or are they destroyed or await recycling?

 

Then Brahma or whoever restarts the process and a new Satyayug will appear. Are new souls recreated for this? Or are the old souls who did not get Moksha recycled here? Presumably the ones who got Moksha do not get recycled?

[singhvivek141]

8 minutes ago, Lannister said:

Life doesn't follow any cycles. It moves forward according to Darwinian evolution and natural selection. The ones who adapt will endure, while those who fail to adapt will eventually die out.

 

Well, Hinduism believes in life of cycles..which are broadly divided into four yugas. 

Each yug will have to end to start a new one, its a continuous never ending loop.

[zen]

True religion is NOT a subject of human domain as it comes to us from “elsewhere”.

 

Therefore, it cannot be evaluated based on applying human methods. 

 

There is no mathematical formula where if you add 2 to 2, you get 4. 

 

A temple is not a car showroom where people get a standard product. 

 

What a religion does for you depends on you only. Both X and Y can go to the same temple, but they could receive different “blessings”.

 

Common items include places of worship, books, rituals, festivals, culture, etc.   

 

Everything else is a private matter b/w you and the God. 

 

 

[Lannister]

22 hours ago, zen said:

Because the cycle of birth and death is suffering. Moksha is freedom from this suffering. 
 

Based on good deeds, one can get a relatively better life in his/her next birth (so don’t envy Ambani for e.g.) and vice versa.

 

Below is a chapter on Karma:

 

https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/5
 

 

Like you, Arjun in it, is asking questions!

 

 

I'm genuinely curious why you believe in these ideas. You seem like a reasonable person. 

 

I suggest exploring the concept of the illusion of free will and the causes of human suffering and human behaviour. 

[singhvivek141]

3 minutes ago, AKane said:

Questions for those who have all the answers....

 

So there are 4 yugas  Satyayug, Tretayug, Dwaparyug and Kaliyug. Everybody is busy living multiple lives in search of "Moksha".

 

At the end of Kaliyug some Kalki will come and end the world - at that point what happens to all the souls? Do they get "Moksha" or are they destroyed or await recycling?

 

Then Brahma or whoever restarts the process and a new Satyayug will appear. Are new souls recreated for this? Or are the old souls who did not get Moksha recycled here? Presumably the ones who got Moksha do not get recycled?

Answering, based on my limited knowledge. Will try to keep it as simple as possible.

 

Soul can't be created nor destroyed, it merely shifts from one being to another.

 

After death, soul will go up, where based on your karma, some merit points will be given. If the merit points are higher than a particular number (say distinction), you will attain Moksha.

When you attain "Moksha"...your soul will become part of "param-brahma" and will be free from this cycles of birth and death.

 

If you don't pass Moksha merit points, then based on your pass/fail, your next journey to earth will be decided. Beings who have wasted their human lives they are punished accordingly and are sent back to earth in a life which is horrible. Whole if you just missed the cutoff for Moksha, you will be sent back to earth with a life which will be happier than others.

 

It's a metric scale and based on your past deeds and your present karma's...your records upstairs will be rewritten. 

 

Once the last yug ends, all souls will transcend back to heaven. Lord Brahma will perish...in order to restart the life. A new Lord Brahma will orginate from belly button of Shri Vishnu and then the entire life system will be recreated starting from Satyug...and the non-passed souls which descended above will again born in Satyug and the cycle will keep on repeating itself.

 

This is the core journey which I have understood so far based on my interactions based on the limited books I have been able to read. Any correction is welcome.

[AKane]

14 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Nothing happens to you after Moksha, you are dead, but your consciousness (atma) merges the state of satchitanand - state of supreme consciousness - parmaatma 

Fair enough - but I don't understand atma never mind parmaatma and absolutely do not comprehend how merging with parmaatma benefits atma.

 

The simplistic Christian explanation of everlasting life with no sorrow can be understood. If you enjoy eating misal pav and jalebi and pani puri, you can eat those and other things to your content. If you enjoy math - keep studying it to your content etc. Kind of boring I think but ok....can comprehend. But no sorrow? So if I like hunting and shoot an animal - there is no sorrow? What nonsense.... Still can be rationalized.

 

Honestly atma merging with parmaatma and the benefits of that is beyond me and with all due respect beyond those who claim to understand it too.

[zen]

6 minutes ago, Lannister said:

I'm genuinely curious why you believe in these ideas. You seem like a reasonable person. 

 

 

Because I trust in God  

 

 

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I suggest exploring the concept of the illusion of free will and the causes of human suffering and human behaviour. 

 

Usually, suffering is because of “attachment” to a goal, an ambition, a person, a material, a wish, etc. 

[Chaos]

This thread is becoming a major topic at bonobo institution. @zen

[singhvivek141]

5 minutes ago, AKane said:

Fair enough - but I don't understand atma never mind parmaatma and absolutely do not comprehend how merging with parmaatma benefits atma.

 

The simplistic Christian explanation of everlasting life with no sorrow can be understood. If you enjoy eating misal pav and jalebi and pani puri, you can eat those and other things to your content. If you enjoy math - keep studying it to your content etc. Kind of boring I think but ok....can comprehend. But no sorrow? So if I like hunting and shoot an animal - there is no sorrow? What nonsense.... Still can be rationalized.

 

Honestly atma merging with parmaatma and the benefits of that is beyond me and with all due respect beyond those who claim to understand it too.

In theoretical terms, it's said that when you merge with param-brahma or paramatma. You became something else, you will feel a different kind of energy, strength, power and visibility within yourself. You can actually see what the param-brahma can see and you will be free of any worries, pains or sadness from your life.

I'm sure hunting and shooting an animal can't be the part of moksha life...as no person with such interests be part of that eternal journey. It will be for those who are "pure souls"...as in Hinduism (unlike monotheistic religions) accepting any god can't suddenly wipe your slate clean and you will start afresh.

[Lannister]

23 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

 

Well, Hinduism believes in life of cycles..which are broadly divided into four yugas. 

Each yug will have to end to start a new one, its a continuous never ending loop.

Each yuga is said to span millions of years, yet modern humans have only existed for around 250,000 years. Science contradicts your belief.

[AKane]

11 minutes ago, Lannister said:

I suggest exploring the concept of the illusion of free will and the causes of human suffering and human behaviour. 

This Abrahamic religions all equate to one thing - as Christina Rosetti famously said in one of her poems....

 

"Sorrow's springs are the same"

 

The sin committed by Eve(and Adam) of eating that stupid apple. I suggest we all people on earth give God back one damn apple each and say "Please get over it".