Why do people like Dravid doesn't get the respect and live they deserve

[Nikhil_cric]

On 10/13/2024 at 9:24 PM, Lord said:

lmao Jurel was brought in at right time by Dravid only. Earlier he was too young. 

 

'They' selected Bharat in the first place. Its hilarous how you pin everything bad on Dravid and everything good on 'they'

Need to protect Kohli at all costs 

[Lord]

12 hours ago, raki05 said:

Kaif clearly said in one of HT articles that how him along with Sharma got afraid of aussies fast attack and tamper with the pitch where they dint allow curators to water it for a week. If you are that naive who thinks that home team don’t use pitch to their advantage and needs evidence for it than nothing more to say.. problem is dravid acted oversmart and overestimated aussises attack and screwed up the pitch. Its the same ahmedabad pitch where Gill scored double 100 soon before wc against nz , so saying pitch behaved true to its nature is wrong. India’s batting inspite of slection holler was better than other teams and almost all batters clicked till final also Indian bowlers were on another level. Have we scored around 300 we would have great opportunity but pitch was screwed so badly that we limited to below par score.

 

oh yes Kaif, very trustworthy witness

 

if they rigged pitch, they'd played Ashwin atleast, its common sense

[raki05]

11 hours ago, Lord said:

 

oh yes Kaif, very trustworthy witness

 

if they rigged pitch, they'd played Ashwin atleast, its common sense

I wish he had brough Ashwin to take care of head. But they suddenly couldn’t have changed the combo especially when in all important wc final knowing KD was in full form. BTW you are crying so much isnt it kanpur curator blamed hardik and your fav Dravid for rigging the pitch of t20 match and soon after that he was fired. so its not new, Dravid during his playing days was always trubled by Aussies and SA fast bowler so he has that always played back in his mind that he cant win against Aussies without rigging the pitch.

[singhvivek141]

20 hours ago, Adamant said:

He gets a lot of respect amongst casual fans and even the cricketing fraternity.

 

He was and is a selfless man who was one of our best match winners in test cricket.

 

A bunch of frustrated low iq ICFers don’t make much of a difference.

Wasn't the same tantrums/allegations were thrown on Kumble as well ? When he was the coach and Kohli was the captain. 

Kumble is no less than Dravid in terms of match winning capability and selfless ness. 

 

Just because Dravid was a great Test cricketer, it doesn't mean we should close our eyes and ignore all his shortcomings. Like every sportsperson he too has his limitations. 

 

Not sure if you remember the amount of blame Kapil Dev had to bear when he became India Coach. Despite no social media those days, every failure under his coaching stint was brutally highlighted and exposed. Despite being such a legendary cricketer, his stint as a coach was a failure.

[Lord]

3 hours ago, raki05 said:

I wish he had brough Ashwin to take care of head. But they suddenly couldn’t have changed the combo especially when in all important wc final knowing KD was in full form. BTW you are crying so much isnt it kanpur curator blamed hardik and your fav Dravid for rigging the pitch of t20 match and soon after that he was fired. so its not new, Dravid during his playing days was always trubled by Aussies and SA fast bowler so he has that always played back in his mind that he cant win against Aussies without rigging the pitch.

 

No one blamed Hardik. Hardik actually bashed the pitch which resulting in his sacking. If he and Dravid wanted the pitch, why'd he bash him and get him sacked lol

[raki05]

2 hours ago, Lord said:

 

No one blamed Hardik. Hardik actually bashed the pitch which resulting in his sacking. If he and Dravid wanted the pitch, why'd he bash him and get him sacked lol

Superstar can blame anyone and get them sacked…. When chief selector Amarnath can be sacked just for thinking to remove msd from test captaincy than what is the aukaat of curator. If you believe home team w curate the pitch s per their whims and wishes you need to work on your delusions. Lol kaif is mot trusted , curator is not trusted who had first hand experience of being at the place but we should trust you because you have some hidden liking for Dravid.why would kaif lie about it especially when kaif has played with dravid and if he was lying why dint sharma, deavid or anyone from bcci denied that or fired kaif from commentry. Lol anyone can be wrong but the great dravid cant be wrong.

Edited October 16, 2024 by raki05

[Lord]

18 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Superstar can blame anyone and get them sacked…. When chief selector Amarnath can be sacked just for thinking to remove msd from test captaincy than what is the aukaat of curator. If you believe home team w curate the pitch s per their whims and wishes you need to work on your delusions. Lol kaif is mot trusted , curator is not trusted who had first hand experience of being at the place but we should trust you because you have some hidden liking for Dravid.why would kaif lie about it especially when kaif has played with dravid and if he was lying why dint sharma, deavid or anyone from bcci denied that or fired kaif from commentry. Lol anyone can be wrong but the great dravid cant be wrong.

 

Don't trust anyone, just prove what you are saying.Where did I say believe me?. Do you have reading disabilities?

 

Kaif is the only one to notice it? Why? He might very well be just an attention seeker or coping mechanism.

[raki05]

26 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Don't trust anyone, just prove what you are saying.Where did I say believe me?. Do you have reading disabilities?

 

Kaif is the only one to notice it? Why? He might very well be just an attention seeker or coping mechanism.

Lol … attention seeker. Can you prove he dint tamper it. You and me discussing on forum so we have to go by what experts says. Do you find this alien concept that we make spinning pitches…. Have you ever observed why certain pitches in india turned in to green mamba and spinning track based on opposition or these things are alien to you. If you cant understand this simple fact that every home team manipulate the pitch to their advantage (hack even English tamper with boundaries against india in wc 19 to counter our spin attack ) than happily leave on your bubble. Reality is him and sharma messed up the pitch and they very well know and might be repenting it. But ya go ahead and live in denial… i am glad wc 24 final happened in wi otherwise this guy would have messed up one more pitch and denied us the wc.

[Lord]

47 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Lol … attention seeker. Can you prove he dint tamper it. You and me discussing on forum so we have to go by what experts says. Do you find this alien concept that we make spinning pitches…. Have you ever observed why certain pitches in india turned in to green mamba and spinning track based on opposition or these things are alien to you. If you cant understand this simple fact that every home team manipulate the pitch to their advantage (hack even English tamper with boundaries against india in wc 19 to counter our spin attack ) than happily leave on your bubble. Reality is him and sharma messed up the pitch and they very well know and might be repenting it. But ya go ahead and live in denial… i am glad wc 24 final happened in wi otherwise this guy would have messed up one more pitch and denied us the wc.

 

No one can prove something didnt happen duh. Burden of proof is on person making accusation

 

So they made spinning pitch and then left out Ashwin for Siraj? Don't think they are that dumb.

 

Pitch played exactly like it did v Pak game in same venue. Started flatter then aided spin and reverse. Anyway we lost because of KL's knock not because of pitch. We should still have scored 280 from the start we got. Under lights dew totally made it flat.

[raki05]

2 hours ago, Lord said:

 

No one can prove something didnt happen duh. Burden of proof is on person making accusation

 

So they made spinning pitch and then left out Ashwin for Siraj? Don't think they are that dumb.

 

Pitch played exactly like it did v Pak game in same venue. Started flatter then aided spin and reverse. Anyway we lost because of KL's knock not because of pitch. We should still have scored 280 from the start we got. Under lights dew totally made it flat.

Lol keep going in circle and defending undefendable. Just because it spinning pitch we dont play 5 spinners, it would have increased potency of existing spinners had we won the toss . Anyway Dravid is master in pitch tampering not on choosing playing xi isnt he kept playing dubey ahead of rinku in entire wt20.. Go and ask kaif for evidence. For now we will trust him more than you and accuse dravid for pitch tampering.

[putrevus]

So lol , now Dravid was selfless man, how was he selfless man. 

 

No one has degraded Dravid the batsman, he was a great test batsman,no one has denied it.

 

He was terrible captain and a terrible coach.As a captain he let his coach walk all over him.As coach all during his tenure, we never saw any philosophy which he wanted his teams to follow. 

 

 

[Muloghonto]

7 hours ago, putrevus said:

So lol , now Dravid was selfless man, how was he selfless man. 

 

No one has degraded Dravid the batsman, he was a great test batsman,no one has denied it.

 

He was terrible captain and a terrible coach.As a captain he let his coach walk all over him.As coach all during his tenure, we never saw any philosophy which he wanted his teams to follow. 

 

 

 

Dravid's captaincy and coaching, is like his batting: a test mentality through and through. Which is, 'dont lose and once you guarantee no loss, only then go for the win'. 

He is the ideal batsman mentality for blocking out 90 overs on 5th day coz target is 400 remaining and end up with 50 not out off of 200 balls faced. Also the perfect captain for a weak team, like say NZ were before the arrival of Kane-Boult-Southee and earn them dogged 0-2 series losses instead of 0-5s by being thoroughly negative 'el-block-a-holio' at everything in life. 

I will say though, that the man *IS* underrated as a batsman though - he typically gets rated lower than the two other #3s of his era of great repute : Ponting and Kallis, despite his stats being in the same ballpark and despite him batting behind a signifiantly weaker opening lineup than Ponting & Kallis ( Yes yes we had Veeru, but it was always Veeru + Nobody, whole Saffers have always had good opening partnerships, first Kirstien + Gibbs, then Gibbs + Smith , then Smith+ Elgar  and we all know that Aussies had the greatest opening combo of the 90s & 00s such as Taylor + Slater and then Hayden+Langer). And he also never had to face BOTH the Aussie +Saffie bowling, the clear-cut #1-#2 bowling units of the 90s and 00s (with maybe only WI giving RSA a run for their money as #2 in the 90s thanks to the two Cs) while also never having had the luck of facing India in India : 
One can only imagine what Dravid's stats would've looked like if he got to play 10-15 matches against India of the 90s, which is basically Srinath+nobody in pace +kumble+nobody in spin.