Why do people like Dravid doesn't get the respect and live they deserve

[gakgupta]

Under his coaching

We won the U19 world cup

Won T20 worlcup

Reached ODI finals

Reached test finals

 

What else ..he could have done?

[Chakdephatte]

He doesn't talk too much. That's the reason. 

 

People judge by personality. 

Edited October 12, 2024 by Chakdephatte

[Chakdephatte]

No one talks about how we got rid of Pujara, Rahane, Saha, Umesh, etc. 

 

No one talks about the positive change in our limited overs batting approach. Just because he was slow as a player, people can't associate this change with him. 

 

They won't credit him for finding Jaiswal, Jurel, Gill, Siraj (used to be good) but blame him for misses like Mukesh, Avesh. 

 

WT20 win was a fluke, World Cup performance was a fluke, but WC final loss is on him. This is their mentality. 

 

When one chooses to be selective, there is no scope for argument. @gakgupta

[Vk1]

26 minutes ago, gakgupta said:

Under his coaching

We won the U19 world cup

Won T20 worlcup

Reached ODI finals

Reached test finals

 

What else ..he could have done?

except for winning T20 world cup that too with Bumrah's magic or SKYs miraculous catch rest of them can't even br called achievements.

[singhvivek141]

46 minutes ago, gakgupta said:

Under his coaching

We won the U19 world cup

Won T20 worlcup

Reached ODI finals

Reached test finals

 

What else ..he could have done?

Let's see, what else he could have done

1. Not wasting time and series over Avesh, Mukesh. Heck even on Jaydev Unadkut the cricketer
2. Not giving multiple chances to Shrimaan KL Rahul, who screwed us royally in 2022 T20 Cup single handedly.
3. Not able to see the severe shortcomings of Mananiya Bhuvaneshwar Kumar ji
4. Dropping Bishnoi even after he did well in limited chances
5. Lack of consistency in selections, threw Pant under the bus in Bangladesh for Shrimaan KL Rahul.

6. Couldn't recognize that SKY experiement isn't working for ODI's and tests

7. When Bumrah was re-injured before the T20 WC 2022 coz he was prematurely brought back in, under desperation we sent SOS to Umesh Yadav. Lack of planning at all levels.

Expectations are always high with the players who have represented us for 300+ ODI's and 100+ tests. I am personally was a supporter of Dravid the captain despite the 2007 ODI WC loss, as he experimented and gave us many young players like RPS, Sree, Munaf, Raina, JP yadav, Venugopal...some of whom played a key role in 2007 & 2011 victories.

[Chakdephatte]

2 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Let's see, what else he could have done

1. Not wasting time and series over Avesh, Mukesh. Heck even on Jaydev Unadkut the cricketer
2. Not giving multiple chances to Shrimaan KL Rahul, who screwed us royally in 2022 T20 Cup single handedly.
3. Not able to see the severe shortcomings of Mananiya Bhuvaneshwar Kumar ji
4. Dropping Bishnoi even after he did well in limited chances
5. Lack of consistency in selections, threw Pant under the bus in Bangladesh for Shrimaan KL Rahul.

6. Couldn't recognize that SKY experiement isn't working for ODI's and tests

 

1. Other options were Mavi, Tyagi,  Khaleel, Umran. They all flopped in domestics/IPL. Mohsin, Prasidh, and many others were always injured. 

 

2. He was the one who dropped him. And that's because of intent and not form. 

 

3. Ironically, Bhuvi played just one ODI series under him before he was dropped and never brought back. His T20 record is fine. 

 

4. How did that impact us? Kuldeep Yadav won us everything. 

 

5. What?? 

 

6. It's just serendipitous. SKY is fit for ODIs, no questioning that. 

[putrevus]

What was coaching philosphy of Dravid. He ruined Indian cricket more than he helped.He was supposed to help batsmen who were struggling well guess what they struggled more.

 

Only thing Dravid seems to have done is find a spot for KL rahul in all formats.

Edited October 12, 2024 by putrevus

[nevada]

If not for the T20 WC win, his record wouldn't have been much special. His love for trundlers and the timid Rahul is inexplicable. Kuldip was benched right after a MOM performance for the trundler undecutter of all people! I don't hate Dravid, but I find quite a few of his decisions flabbergasting. The disaster of a pitch for the ODI WC final is something I can never forget. Play timid cricket, hope to get lucky and win a big tournament - is that the essence of his coaching philosophy? 

[Lord]

On 10/12/2024 at 4:39 PM, putrevus said:

What was coaching philosphy of Dravid. He ruined Indian cricket more than he helped.He was supposed to help batsmen who were struggling well guess what they struggled more.

 

Only thing Dravid seems to have done is find a spot for KL rahul in all formats.

 

yeah KL was dropped before Dravid and now immediately sacked by Gambhir. Evil Dravid played him only.

[putrevus]

2 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

yeah KL was dropped before Dravid and now immediately sacked by Gambhir. Evil Dravid played him only.

If he was not taken to SA as WK  there would be no KL Rahul .

 

Bharat who played in England series as WK for what reason?

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

If he was not taken to SA as WK  there would be no KL Rahul .

 

Bharat who played in England series as WK for what reason?

because BCCI didnt want to pick Ishan. He's still not being picked.

[putrevus]

Just now, Lord said:

because BCCI didnt want to pick Ishan. He's still not being picked.

No Bharat was in the squad.As soon KL rahul scored his 100 to secure his spot. Our genius coach made Bharat Wk in England series.

 

[Lord]

Just now, putrevus said:

No Bharat was in the squad.As soon KL rahul scored his 100 to secure his spot. Our genius coach made Bharat Wk in England series.

 

 

KL was never Test wicketkeeper. It was between Ishan and Bharat always till Pant came back.

[putrevus]

19 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

KL was never Test wicketkeeper. It was between Ishan and Bharat always till Pant came back.

What are you talking about , KL scored his 100 as WK in SA.The squad had Bharat but he was not picked to find a spot for KL.

[Lord]

Just now, putrevus said:

What are you talking about , KL scored his 100 as WK in SA.The squad had Bharat but he was not picked to find a spot for KL.

that was a makeshift arrangement not permanent because Ishan pulled out. KL has not kept even in FC in red ball cricket. 

 

Anyway whats stopping them from dropping KL now? Sarfaraz who played under Dravid is dropped in his favour.

[putrevus]

17 minutes ago, Lord said:

that was a makeshift arrangement not permanent because Ishan pulled out. KL has not kept even in FC in red ball cricket. 

 

Anyway whats stopping them from dropping KL now? Sarfaraz who played under Dravid is dropped in his favour.

Bharat was in that test squad in SA, if he played in SA then there is no would be no KL in test team.That SA 100 earned him another lease of 15 tests.

 

Ishan Kishen should have been wk for odi world cup after Pants' injury .Our coach made sure he dropped Kishan after he scored double 100 in Bangladesh.Genius Coach made sure he buried Kishen.

 

Now we need to wait another series for Rahul to stink before he is kicked out.

 

Yes Sarfraz should have played against Bangladesh.I don't know why he did not play.Dravid did not have much choice other than to play Sarfraz after KL Rahul came up with injury  during England series.

 

 

Edited October 13, 2024 by putrevus

[Lord]

Just now, putrevus said:

Bharat was in that test squad in SA, if he played in SA then there is no would be no KL in test team.That SA 100 earned him another lease of 15 tests.

 

Ishan Kishen should have been wk for odi world cup after Pants' injury .Our coach made sure he dropped Kishan after he scored double 100 in Bangladesh.Genius Coach made sure he buried Kishen.

 

Now we need to wait another series for Rahul to stink before he is kicked out.

 

Yes Sarfraz should have played against Bangladesh.I don't know why he did not play.Dravid did not have much choice other than to play Sarfraz after KL Rahul came up with injury  during England series.

 

 

 

Bharat was rubbish. Playing him in SA would have severely weakened our already weak batting.He could only play if our batting was strong.

 

One hundred doesn't give anyone 15 Tests lol. Gambhir can easily drop KL citing his overall record.There's no need to wait. That's just excuses.

 

Kishan didnt even take his chances in WC when Gill was injured. KL kept well enough to keep the spot

[Chaos]

Cuz he is from Bangalore n he played at snails pace like kallis  

[putrevus]

13 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Bharat was rubbish. Playing him in SA would have severely weakened our already weak batting.He could only play if our batting was strong.

 

One hundred doesn't give anyone 15 Tests lol. Gambhir can easily drop KL citing his overall record.There's no need to wait. That's just excuses.

 

Kishan didnt even take his chances in WC when Gill was injured. KL kept well enough to keep the spot

So why was he playing against England??

[Lord]

Just now, putrevus said:

So why was he playing against England??

 

Because our batting is strong enough in Indian conditions where even lower order is able to contribute.

 

We needed a good keeper vs spin more than extra batting

Edited October 13, 2024 by Lord