UMPIRES CALL

[Prabhdeep Singh]

It seems umpires call benefit everyone but India

[sensible-indian]

Umpires call is a scam.

 

Was and will always be.

 

My stance ever since it was introduced.

 

I get the technical explanations but human beings are flawed and will get influenced by many factors whether they accept it or not.

 

A dismissal is either out or notout.

 

Shouldn't be based on umpire's mood.

[MechEng]

47 minutes ago, sensible-indian said:

Umpires call is a scam.

 

Was and will always be.

 

My stance ever since it was introduced.

 

I get the technical explanations but human beings are flawed and will get influenced by many factors whether they accept it or not.

 

A dismissal is either out or notout.

 

Shouldn't be based on umpire's mood.

 

It's not mood but intuition that comes from years of experience.

 

Technology is not perfect either, it is for avoiding howlers. Umpire's call is legit.

Edited October 26, 2024 by MechEng

[Ultimate_Game]

6 hours ago, MechEng said:

 

It's not mood but intuition that comes from years of experience.

 

Technology is not perfect either, it is for avoiding howlers. Umpire's call is legit.

 

It's the bias part that is the issue. Do away with umpire's call and let the 3rd ump decide whether it's Out or Not based on the evidence irrespective of on-field call. Currently if the umpire's biased against you and gives marginal decisions against you, you're unlikely to win.

 

BCCI and Indian team will always have a target on their back and the umpire's call will go against them nearly every time. Can't play the opponents and the umpires everytime.

[R!TTER]

1 minute ago, Ultimate_Game said:

It's the bias part that is the issue. Do away with umpire's call and let the 3rd ump decide whether it's Out or Not based on the evidence irrespective of on-field call. Currently if the umpire's biased against you and gives marginal decisions against you, you're unlikely to win.

 

My solution to part of this umpire's call BS was to go back to pre WW2 era rule of ball needing to pitch on the stumps' line for both righties & lefties! Otherwise most tests will end in 1-2 days if you do away with umpire's call now, as everything will be out 

[Ultimate_Game]

Just now, R!TTER said:

My solution to part of this umpire's call BS was to go back to pre WW2 era rule of ball needing to pitch on the stumps' line for both righties & lefties! Otherwise most tests will end in 1-2 days if you do away with umpire's call now, as everything will be out 

 

A very simple solution is that no matter what the umpire's decision is, ignore it when it's referred to the 3rd ump. If more than 15% (or say 20%) or the ball is hitting the stumps, give it Out else Not Out. That way the same event has the same outcome without the bullshyte "Umpire's Call".

 

We have to make referrals more deterministic and equal for everyone. In knockouts and finals nearly every umpire's call has gone against us and it's one of the reasons for our failures in knockouts. It's such a simple solution and I don't understand why they're not adopting it. It should be either Out or Not Out irrespective of the umpire's call.

[R!TTER]

Ok but it's not realistic unless we also change that ball pitching in line rule, because most matches will be over too quickly if we go with the current set of rules.

[Ultimate_Game]

1 minute ago, R!TTER said:

Ok but it's not realistic unless we also change that ball pitching in line rule, because most matches will be over too quickly if we go with the current set of rules.

 

The adjust the tolerance to 50% of the ball hitting the stumps instead of 15-20%. I would rather take a shorter but fairer game over a game which is biased and dependent on external factors such as "umpire's call".

[bowl_out]

1 hour ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

It's the bias part that is the issue. Do away with umpire's call and let the 3rd ump decide whether it's Out or Not based on the evidence irrespective of on-field call. Currently if the umpire's biased against you and gives marginal decisions against you, you're unlikely to win.

 

BCCI and Indian team will always have a target on their back and the umpire's call will go against them nearly every time. Can't play the opponents and the umpires everytime.

 

If we are questioning the umpire's integrity and claiming bias, then shouldn't we remove umpires altogether and have technology / third umpire make every decision?

[Texan]

1 hour ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

A very simple solution is that no matter what the umpire's decision is, ignore it when it's referred to the 3rd ump. If more than 15% (or say 20%) or the ball is hitting the stumps, give it Out else Not Out. That way the same event has the same outcome without the bullshyte "Umpire's Call".

 

We have to make referrals more deterministic and equal for everyone. In knockouts and finals nearly every umpire's call has gone against us and it's one of the reasons for our failures in knockouts. It's such a simple solution and I don't understand why they're not adopting it. It should be either Out or Not Out irrespective of the umpire's call.

100% agree. Give more benefit of the doubt to the batsman (say if only 10% of the ball is hitting the stumps, give it not out) and give everything hitting stumps more than that preset percentage as out. It should be BLACK and WHITE. Umpires call was a good start, but cannot be kept forever. It needs to be replaced by clear and fair binary results. 

 

Look how tennis has evolved: they no longer even have linespersons making line calls. It is all driven by technology and it is one way or the other, no ambiguity. Tennis actually used this technology after they saw how it was used in cricket. While tennis has taken it to the next level, here we are still stuck with umpire's call. 

Edited October 26, 2024 by Texan

[Ultimate_Game]

53 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

 

If we are questioning the umpire's integrity and claiming bias, then shouldn't we remove umpires altogether and have technology / third umpire make every decision?

 

As long as humans are involved, there'll be bias. It may not be conscious bias but unconscious bias, which is a known thing, i.e. humans allow bias to sway decision making without even being aware of it. It happens all the time, and umpires are human. Literally every knockout game has had umpire call go against us - can't be a coincidence.

 

Whether it's incompetence, conscious bias, unconscious bias, cheating or whatever it is, the better option is to make the game equal and fair. People don't come to watch umpires but to see a fair match. I would rather watch a fair match than one impacted because of an umpire's call. We've the technology, use it. India and BCCI is hated by literally everyone and this shows in umpiring calls. Look at hockey and see the bias there - literally every match against goras we've to overcome opponents and the umpires. At least in Cricket we've the say to make a difference.

[Gollum]

BCCI might lol. Richest board, boardroom bullies, 90% wealth generator yada yada, kya fayda? 

 

Hockey team gets shafted even more, but those poor folks can't take on collective might of goras in FIH. 

 

What excuse in cricket? 

[jf1gp_1]

Another thread another lame excuse. Whats wrong with accepting NZ were a better side and beat us. 

[sensible-indian]

23 hours ago, MechEng said:

 

It's not mood but intuition that comes from years of experience.

 

Technology is not perfect either, it is for avoiding howlers. Umpire's call is legit.

This the logic they give to fool themselves and the masses lol.

 

Intellectually sound.

 

Practically yuseless.

 

Perfect example of

 

Operation successful but patient is dead.

Edited October 27, 2024 by sensible-indian

[Lord]

Just give out if 50% of ball is hitting stumps

[neel roy]

6 minutes ago, Lord said:

Just give out if 50% of ball is hitting stumps

That they give out anyways. Umpires call is less than 50 perc. What people are trying to say is decrease it to 25 percent. Basically if 25 perc hit stumps it ll be 3 reds not 2 reds one amber

[CoverDrive]

Most people do not seem to understand umpires call. It is in place to limit influence of the DRS technician on decision outcomes. He decides the video frames to be selected in case of impact to pad which can be a grey area due to limitations of technology. 
 

in case if these 50:50 decisions a smart operator will know which decision he will get based on what he selects. So current system defers to umpire in such cases who has more factors to make a decision since he has a better view of the action than the camera from his view and also knows how the ball is bouncing and other such factors  as he is following the game up close. 
 

this system has been working and of course we don’t like that when it goes against us. The system is based on principle that technology will eliminate obvious errors but it has limitations so in such scenarios we will give more weightage to umpire on the field. 
 

if they start going completely by the technology there is going to be lot more anger when home broadcasters will push more decisions to their advantage 

Edited October 27, 2024 by CoverDrive

[Lord]

1 hour ago, neel roy said:

That they give out anyways. Umpires call is less than 50 perc. What people are trying to say is decrease it to 25 percent. Basically if 25 perc hit stumps it ll be 3 reds not 2 reds one amber

Then give all umpires call not out. 25% is too less to give it out