Terror attack in Pahalgam 27 civilians killed

[putrevus]

Just now, Lone Wolf said:

You said what US and China thinks doesn't matters but that's the only thing that matters 

 

World bank has just today announced 100 million $ aid to Pakistan.  We all know where that aid is going to go.

 

How does that matter when it comes to defending your own country. If you cannot defend your own citizens that too in your own country and want to just keep blaming other forces and other countries.

 

It means only one thing. You as PM are incapable of making tough calls. Whole country will be behind him if he says he wants to defend India's honour.

 

His inaction is not the answer. Conducting some dummy raids is not the answer either.Buckle up and get ready to do whatever it takes  to defend your own country.

 

So it does not matter what any other country thinks or does in this case.It is all about defending your citizens and that is primary job of any govt.

 

If you cannot handle the heat, vaccate the seat and let someone who can handle it take over.

 

 

[Muloghonto]

5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

How does that matter when it comes to defending your own country. If you cannot defend your own citizens that too in your own country and want to just keep blaming other forces and other countries.

 

It means only one thing. You as PM are incapable of making tough calls. Whole country will be behind him if he says he wants to defend India's honour.

 

His inaction is not the answer. Conducting some dummy raids is not the answer either.Buckle up and get ready to do whatever it takes  to defend your own country.

 

So it does not matter what any other country thinks or does in this case.It is all about defending your citizens and that is primary job of any govt.

 

If you cannot handle the heat, vaccate the seat and let someone who can handle it take over.

 

 

 

Do whatever it takes to defend your country means investing in defense. You want full-scale below nuclear threshold war with Pakistan like Israel does in Lebanon ?
Cool story bro.

First get multi-layered Air defence to cover ALL your damn ports like Israel has. Else Pakistan launches cruise missiles and blows up Jamnagar port. And that alone does more damage to us than blowing up every single port in pakistan.

And even then, Israel doesnt do **** without full US backing, because without US veto, UN General Assembly motion carries and Israel gets banned as Apartheid South Africa from world trade network.

We dont have UNSC veto, so we ALWAYS need to act within bounds comfortable for our UN veto proxy - be it Russia (usually) or USA ( occasionally).

THAT is reality.

Last thing we want, is to act like Jamie Lannister from game of thrones - yes, he had every right to confront Lord Eddard Stark on the streets coz his wife flat-out kidnapped Jamie's little bro and he admitted to ordering it.
But as daddy lannister points out - attacking him was foolish. Lannisters dont act like fools.

I want a tywin lannister at our helm - the man who loses battles but wins wars due to his patience, realpolitik and cleverness. What i dont want, is a rash fool like Jamie Lannister who tries to take badlaa like an idiot and makes it worse.

 

Edited May 1, 2025 by Muloghonto

[Lone Wolf]

13 minutes ago, putrevus said:

How does that matter when it comes to defending your own country. If you cannot defend your own citizens that too in your own country and want to just keep blaming other forces and other countries.

 

It means only one thing. You as PM are incapable of making tough calls. Whole country will be behind him if he says he wants to defend India's honour.

 

His inaction is not the answer. Conducting some dummy raids is not the answer either.Buckle up and get ready to do whatever it takes  to defend your own country.

 

So it does not matter what any other country thinks or does in this case.It is all about defending your citizens and that is primary job of any govt.

 

If you cannot handle the heat, vaccate the seat and let someone who can handle it take over.

 

 

Indians were literally crying to bring Abhinandan back .. media created so much pressure on GoI... 

Indian of 60's and 70's would have been calling to bring the heads of Pakistani forces without giving two hoots about a random pilot.

 

Mindset of this nation needs to change first.  You got to have stomach for violence.

 

Only people living along the border areas know what's its like to be in a state of War

 

 

 

Edited May 1, 2025 by Lone Wolf

[Lone Wolf]

19 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

 

Every nation that isnt USA, USSR or China since 1947 is an effective dominion and colonial state in international affairs.

USA forced UK+France to stfu and gtfo when they invaded Egypt in 1950s.

USSR flat-out told us in 1971 that they will go to nuclear war with USA if necessary to protect us, but they WILL NOT allow us to break west pakistan itself - if we try, they wont use their veto to protect us.

Reality is, the only nations that have EVER been able to give full response to their enemies are either these 3 nations - the true global powers of modern world- or had their full 100% backing - ala 'usa supports israel in everything, blank cheque' policy.

So where USA stands on all this, determines if we are going to do a tit for tat hit and run or a full scale invasion of some sort.

This is reality of great power politics at the high table : only people with a towering economy + military industrial complex of their own can act truly independently and say 'faack u, i do what i want, jo ukharna haye, ukhaar lo'

And since 1947, thats only 3 countries - USA, USSR/Russia and China. The end.

 

Facts only 

[putrevus]

2 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Indians were literally crying to bring Abhinandan back .. media created so much pressure on GoI... 

Indian of 60's and 70's would have been calling to bring the heads of Pakistani forces without giving two hoots about a random pilot.

 

Mindset of this nation needs to change first.  You got to have stomach for violence.

 

Only people living along the border areas know what's its like to be in a state of War

 

 

 

Everything will change if leadership has right attitude and right goal. There are no ifs and buts when it comes to protecting your own citizens that too in your own country.

 

Question remains is leadership good enough to handle the heat.

 

[Lone Wolf]

10 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Everything will change if leadership has right attitude and right goal. There are no ifs and buts when it comes to protecting your own citizens that too in your own country.

 

Question remains is leadership good enough to handle the heat.

 

It will most likely be a low scale launch pad destruction couple of dozen fodder terrorists dead and everyone will call it a day.

 

Clueless people will rejoice & it would be buisness as usual.  That's Indian public for you.  Media will call it a great victory.

 

 

Edited May 1, 2025 by Lone Wolf

[mishra]

@Lone Wolf Absolute utopian concepts are not just impossible to achieve, They are outright impractical.

For example: You can not live in Peace because  practically there is nothing like Peace(Its just a period to prepare for war). Why do you assume other side is utopian. If it has prepared for war, It will be able to kill your citizens. Thats exactly what happened.

 

Accept that You live in world, Not you create a utopian world and then live in it. People just need to read Indian books and get educated themselves.

 

Edited May 1, 2025 by mishra

[putrevus]

1 minute ago, Lone Wolf said:

It will most likely be a low scale launch pad destruction couple of dozen fodder terrorists dead and everyone will call it a day.

 

Clueless people will rejoice & it would be buisness as usual.  That's Indian public for you.  Media will call it a great victory.

 

 

I hope you are wrong but if it turns out to be true then you cannot blame anyone else.

 

 

 

[mishra]

2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

I hope you are wrong but if it turns out to be true then you cannot blame anyone else.

 

 

 

He is right. Thats exactly what will happen and thats all our auqaat is in 2025. Best possible scenario is we could do is daily firing on LoC for next 2 Years (Trump Admin has outright control on both houses).

 

I am waiting for what we do to Pakistan by 2035. Because thats what IMO is key date for us.

[Lone Wolf]

20 minutes ago, mishra said:

@Lone Wolf Absolute utopian concepts are not just impossible to achieve, They are outright impractical.

For example: You can not live in Peace because  practically there is nothing like Peace(Its just a period to prepare for war). Why do you assume other side is utopian. If it has prepared for war, It will be able to kill your citizens. Thats exactly what happened.

 

Accept that You live in world, Not you create a utopian world and then live in it. People just need to read Indian books and get educated themselves.

 

for 60's and 70's boomers they had 65 and 71 to kang on when my Dad and Grandad used to tell me about it I was jealous of their era, then 84 and 99 Kargil happened. Nuclear tests etc..Great success stories 

There was no newly Independent country with such amazing feats in a Cold war era.

 

That generation could even brush aside temporary setbacks like Operation Prakaram.

 

Post 2008 attack we have been only taking L's after L's so to speak.  2019 gave us a legitimate window & we backed off due to a friggin captured pilot.

Edited May 1, 2025 by Lone Wolf

[Lone Wolf]

9 minutes ago, putrevus said:

I hope you are wrong but if it turns out to be true then you cannot blame anyone else.

 

 

 

Believe me I want to be proven wrong as well and deep down I wish something unthinkable happens.  As of now I am only wishing that we would also kill at least a dozen P@ki foujmen in the process and telecast it with full proof evidence in front of Global media..

 

[putrevus]

2 minutes ago, mishra said:

He is right. Thats exactly what will happen and thats all our auqaat is in 2025. Best possible scenario is we could do is daily firing on LoC for next 2 Years (Trump Admin has outright control on both houses).

 

I am waiting for what we do to Pakistan by 2035. Because thats what IMO is key date for us.

 

If India is still worried about Pakistan in 2035 then god save India from their politicians.

 

[mishra]

1 minute ago, Lone Wolf said:

for 60's and 70's boomers they had 65 and 71 to kang on when my Dad and Grandad used to tell me about it I was jealous of their era, then 84 and 99 Kargil happened. Nuclear tests etc..Great success stories 

 

That generation could even brush aside temporary setbacks like Operation Prakaram.

 

Post 2008 attack we have been only taking L's after L's so to speak.  2019 gave us a legitimate window & we backed off due to a friggin captured pilot.

Pakistani have nukes. They have F16. They have missiles.

We are upgrading our defnces. F-16 will be useless by 2035.

But by then Pakistanis would have got better than F-16s from China unless we stop that or we advance faster than that.

They would have got better missiles and missile programs unless we stop that.

 

Pakistan will not concentrate on defence. They just want to be capable of hitting us. So how do we achieve the mad dogs damaging us the least thats another discussion altogether. But we got to build unknown Gunmen in Pakistan. Only way you get unkown Gunmen , is if Pakistani as a state stays impoverished. So bleed them economically. As musch as we can

[putrevus]

Just now, Lone Wolf said:

Believe me I want to be proven wrong as well and deep down I wish something unthinkable happens.  As of now I am only wishing that we would also kill at least a dozen P@ki foujmen in the process and telecast it with full proof evidence in front of Global media..

 

Hitting and killing some random Pakistani army men is not the answer and it will never be the answer.

 

We need to do better than that.

 

 

[mishra]

3 minutes ago, putrevus said:

 

If India is still worried about Pakistan in 2035 then god save India from their politicians.

 

Not just MMS fault but SInce 1947, Pakistni managed to do 26/11 after 60 Years. And Indias auqaat was no Reaction.

[putrevus]

Just now, mishra said:

Pakistani have nukes. They have F16. They have missiles.

We are upgrading our defnces. F-16 will be useless by 2035.

But by then Pakistanis would have got better than F-16s from China unless we stop that or we advance faster than that.

They would have got better missiles and missile programs unless we stop that.

 

Pakistan will not concentrate on defence. They just want to be capable of hitting us. So how do we achieve the mad dogs damaging us the least thats another discussion altogether. But we got to build unknown Gunmen in Pakistan. Only way you get unkown Gunmen , is if Pakistani as a state stays impoverished. So bleed them economically. As musch as we can

America has nuclear weapons ,so does France and UK. Did it stop Russia from Ukraine war.

 

Fearing what others have is never an answer.You do what is best for your country and live with consequences.

[Lone Wolf]

1 minute ago, mishra said:

Pakistani have nukes. They have F16. They have missiles.

We are upgrading our defnces. F-16 will be useless by 2035.

But by then Pakistanis would have got better than F-16s from China unless we stop that or we advance faster than that.

They would have got better missiles and missile programs unless we stop that.

 

Pakistan will not concentrate on defence. They just want to be capable of hitting us. So how do we achieve the mad dogs damaging us the least thats another discussion altogether. But we got to build unknown Gunmen in Pakistan. Only way you get unkown Gunmen , is if Pakistani as a state stays impoverished. So bleed them economically. As musch as we can

For that we need to keep LoC and IB active.  BLA TTP cannot take on a foe like Pakjabi Army alone with so much firepower at their disposal that they won't bat an eye even when it comes to genocide.

 

People will call it a strain on Indian economy but it is a lot more cheaper solution than going for a full scale war.

2035-2038 would be an ideal window for a conflict with Pakistan likely at its weakest and most of Indian defence procurements would be complete during that time frame with our own MIC's churning out Artillery MBRLs and UCAVs at war footing.

 

Any more delay and we would again miss the window.

[putrevus]

4 minutes ago, mishra said:

Not just MMS fault but SInce 1947, Pakistni managed to do 26/11 after 60 Years. And Indias auqaat was no Reaction.

I hoped Modi had guts to change it.But he has proved everyone wrong who trusted him till now.

Edited May 1, 2025 by putrevus

[singhvivek141]

Just now, mishra said:

Pakistani have nukes. They have F16. They have missiles.

We are upgrading our defnces. F-16 will be useless by 2035.

But by then Pakistanis would have got better than F-16s from China unless we stop that or we advance faster than that.

They would have got better missiles and missile programs unless we stop that.

 

Pakistan will not concentrate on defence. They just want to be capable of hitting us. So how do we achieve the mad dogs damaging us the least thats another discussion altogether. But we got to build unknown Gunmen in Pakistan. Only way you get unkown Gunmen , is if Pakistani as a state stays impoverished. So bleed them economically. As musch as we can

 

India may not survive till 2035, if we choose a wrong govt. Plus the 0.5 front inside will keep on growing...already we are seeing the heat from Kangladesh. This is the time to shut the shop.

 

F16's arent that great...on top of it we all know how capable Pak pilots are. Rafaels and even Sukhoi-30 MKI can take them down easily.

 

Nukes, I am 100% sure Pak won't use it, US won't allow them..nor does China. One nuclear bomb will have severe ecological impact in entire South East Asia and the retaliation from India can burn down a massive amount of population. Pakjabis are phattu and if we dont realize it now, we won't ever.

 

Ofcourse, if India want to go on a low scale war and bleed Pakistan via Balochistan and TTP..I am up for it. But you need to show some amount of Kinetic action. Diplomacy can only work if you have a strong military to back it up. Soft power is nothing without hard power.

 

India needs to align with Russia and sign the deal for SU-57, get atleast 3 squadron and place it strategically on the fronts. Use the inhouse manufacturing offer and start developing the technology within itself.

[mishra]

3 minutes ago, putrevus said:

America has nuclear weapons ,so does France and UK. Did it stop Russia from Ukraine war.

 

Fearing what others have is never an answer.You do what is best for your country and live with consequences.

I agree, The nuclear bluff theory. But We can not say with absolute 100% surity that are bluffing. Whaever best you have in defnce system, Righ now there very likelyhood that atleast 10% of delivery of nukes will pass through our defences. Are we ready to have atleast 2 of our cities nuked or we prepare (All methods including internal conflict in Pakistan) so that we become absolute certain and then go for full fledged war