rangeelaraja Posted May 9 Posted May 9 (edited) The threshold breach that provokes Indian retaliation is always 20+ martyrs. This must change too. When cross border ter***ists kill 10-20 spread out over 2-3 months, there is local hot pursuit, we loose a few RR precious men and move on. Why should have not have a zero tolerance policy ? I am extremely proud of what our govt has done, and our valorous armed forces - slapping the face of Paks N-bluff and toying with them. But when the govt acts due to media outrage only when casualties in a given episode are high, but not when there are many smaller episodes- it makes me why after 70+ years do we not have a zero tolerance policy - one that demands this kind of retaliation for every single episode ? Is it asking for a lot ? Infact I would argue, that a zero tolerance policy is the strongest deterrence. Edited May 9 by rangeelaraja sandeep 1
Real McCoy Posted May 9 Posted May 9 Even if the casualty is 1, we have to repeat sindoor. Heck even if there were no casualty, we should respond as the threat of losing civilians is good enough for us to be on the offensive. Only if that happens all terrorism from failed mulla state will stop Chaos and raki05 1 1
sandeep Posted May 9 Posted May 9 2 hours ago, rangeelaraja said: The threshold breach that provokes Indian retaliation is always 20+ martyrs. This must change too. When cross border ter***ists kill 10-20 spread out over 2-3 months, there is local hot pursuit, we loose a few RR precious men and move on. Why should have not have a zero tolerance policy ? I am extremely proud of what our govt has done, and our valorous armed forces - slapping the face of Paks N-bluff and toying with them. But when the govt acts due to media outrage only when casualties in a given episode are high, but not when there are many smaller episodes- it makes me why after 70+ years do we not have a zero tolerance policy - one that demands this kind of retaliation for every single episode ? Is it asking for a lot ? Infact I would argue, that a zero tolerance policy is the strongest deterrence. we'll get there. I don't think we got too much to complain about in how our Government, and our armed forces have responded to Pahalgam. Which in itself is shocking to me to a degree. I am not used to this much competence from GoI. coffee_rules and rangeelaraja 1 1
jf1gp_1 Posted May 9 Posted May 9 After what has happened today (if govt means what they said today) is true then bjp lead by Modi are a bunch of pussies who deserve to be hammered by joke of a nation called pakistan. 1) indian ambassador, we are at war with terror. NO we are at war with Pakistan if you can't say it then how the hell will you win it? 2) ball in Pakistan court to deescalate. Those *s hit our cities and ball is in their court ? Entire narrative today is how to deescalate and get out of it. I ask govt if you didnt want to go all out then why even start. Should have made some dossier like in past and given it to pak after terror attack.
rangeelaraja Posted May 9 Author Posted May 9 12 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said: After what has happened today (if govt means what they said today) is true then bjp lead by Modi are a bunch of pussies who deserve to be hammered by joke of a nation called pakistan. 1) indian ambassador, we are at war with terror. NO we are at war with Pakistan if you can't say it then how the hell will you win it? 2) ball in Pakistan court to deescalate. Those *s hit our cities and ball is in their court ? Entire narrative today is how to deescalate and get out of it. I ask govt if you didnt want to go all out then why even start. Should have made some dossier like in past and given it to pak after terror attack. Strongly disagree. How do you know that there isn't a handler who egged Pak provoke this and get India into a trap ? How do you know that this isn't China who wants to use Pak as a guinea pig to test their best air defense and jet technology, so that they can guage our strength ? How do you know this isn't China egging Pak into a full scare war to scare away manufacturers ( who are moving out from China ) by showing India as an unstable war torn region ? GoI has played it very smart - we smoked 9 of their sites with precision missiles, penetrated all of their major cities in Punjab heartland with drones including Rawalpindi, bombed their stadium there. All of this through air superiority and superior air defense systems. We are slowly strangulating Pak - economically - they are on a ventilator. The Indian army humiliated their military in front of their populace and killed 100s without breaking a sweat. If they attack us in retaliation - they will face much stronger retribution. Absent that, going into a full scale war is just walking into a trap.
bharathh Posted May 9 Posted May 9 (edited) 4 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said: Strongly disagree. How do you know that there isn't a handler who egged Pak provoke this and get India into a trap ? How do you know that this isn't China who wants to use Pak as a guinea pig to test their best air defense and jet technology, so that they can guage our strength ? How do you know this isn't China egging Pak into a full scare war to scare away manufacturers ( who are moving out from China ) by showing India as an unstable war torn region ? GoI has played it very smart - we smoked 9 of their sites with precision missiles, penetrated all of their major cities in Punjab heartland with drones including Rawalpindi, bombed their stadium there. All of this through air superiority and superior air defense systems. We are slowly strangulating Pak - economically - they are on a ventilator. The Indian army humiliated their military in front of their populace and killed 100s without breaking a sweat. If they attack us in retaliation - they will face much stronger retribution. Absent that, going into a full scale war is just walking into a trap. We are getting droned with impunity and our government has not even been able to get international condemnatoin for this. Second night in a row. The fact that Pak was doing the drone attacks without even shutting down civial aviation and getting one word of condemnation is pathetic. We are jokers. Edited May 9 by bharathh
rangeelaraja Posted May 9 Author Posted May 9 (edited) 44 minutes ago, sandeep said: we'll get there. I don't think we got too much to complain about in how our Government, and our armed forces have responded to Pahalgam. Which in itself is shocking to me to a degree. I am not used to this much competence from GoI. Not just that. We are now controlling the media narrative ( yes some of the mainstream media has been a major embarrassment ). 10s of 1000s of twitter accounts from CCP and Paks ISPR are blocked on GoI orders. Same for youtube and other social media. Cricket will be next - Pak will suffer more. Will not be surprised if BCCI comes up with with a pick sides diktat to the major test playing nations ( as in if you want to have bilateral cricketing ties with Pak, go ahead, you can't play India ). It sounds childish, but it will bleed Pak more. Take away every sense of their self worth. Edited May 9 by rangeelaraja
rangeelaraja Posted May 9 Author Posted May 9 Just now, bharathh said: We are getting droned with impunity and our government has not even been able to get international condemnatoin for this. Second night in a row. The fact that Pak was doing the drone attacks without even one word of condemnation is pathetic. We are jokers. I agree, MEA should do a better job. But we fricking entered into their heartland in Punjab - Lahore, Islamabad, Rawalpindi and bombed their stadium there. I am sure, the entire truth will come out long after all this is over. But my hunch is this is going to be a relatively long drawn war, that may have a few quiet days interspersed between brutal kinetic operations.
bharathh Posted May 9 Posted May 9 3 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said: I agree, MEA should do a better job. But we fricking entered into their heartland in Punjab - Lahore, Islamabad, Rawalpindi and bombed their stadium there. I am sure, the entire truth will come out long after all this is over. But my hunch is this is going to be a relatively long drawn war, that may have a few quiet days interspersed between brutal kinetic operations. Who gives a ****? We broke some windows. Perception is important. We are losing it big time and the MEA is doing a pathetic job. As much respect as I have for Jaishankar - he has not even been able to get one person to stand firmly by our side to condemn Pak - even with all these escalations. jf1gp_1 1
jf1gp_1 Posted May 9 Posted May 9 15 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said: If they attack us in retaliation - they will face much stronger retribution. Absent that, going into a full scale war is just walking into a trap. Exactly my point. Another pussy indian. Believes in defence. It's like 3 idiots. Jahapana tofa kubul karo (while dropping pants )
jf1gp_1 Posted May 9 Posted May 9 12 minutes ago, bharathh said: Who gives a ****? We broke some windows. Perception is important. We are losing it big time and the MEA is doing a pathetic job. As much respect as I have for Jaishankar - he has not even been able to get one person to stand firmly by our side to condemn Pak - even with all these escalations. Look at news channels.everyone talking about this being over. How US ensured temper came down full credit to US.
rangeelaraja Posted May 9 Author Posted May 9 9 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said: Look at news channels.everyone talking about this being over. How US ensured temper came down full credit to US. What news are you following ?
rangeelaraja Posted May 9 Author Posted May 9 I would like to believe this for now - till everything is over.
bharathh Posted May 9 Posted May 9 (edited) 12 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said: I would like to believe this for now - till everything is over. It's just that we haven't given any importance to the importance of propaganda. Should learn from the Cong/AAP and DMK for this. Not that they would do anything for the country... but how they manage to portray themselves and get their opponents portrayed. Get some LGTBTQ folks doing this for us man. Some K-pop fan kids to manage our social media. We have given 0 importance to this. DGISPR is trained by the CCP I think. Look at how CCP will turn Americans against their own govt when they go to war. Edited May 9 by bharathh jf1gp_1 1
Vancouver Posted May 9 Posted May 9 I think this thread is way too early and it's not time to pat on their back for either side. Reason being Pakistan has maintained that it has not retaliated yet, so deescalation now is in India's favor. India took two weeks after the attack, I guess Pakistan is waiting now. What happened yesterday on Indian media was coordinated effort, India has always maintained it's a bilateral issue but right now they are wishing for US and others to put pressure on Pakistan. Pakistanis are very united this time, yesterday a poll came out and results were astonishing, 78% approve of China's support, 65% of Army's response and 95% support a full scale war. sandeep 1
sandeep Posted May 9 Posted May 9 19 minutes ago, Vancouver said: I think this thread is way too early and it's not time to pat on their back for either side. Reason being Pakistan has maintained that it has not retaliated yet, so deescalation now is in India's favor. India took two weeks after the attack, I guess Pakistan is waiting now. What happened yesterday on Indian media was coordinated effort, India has always maintained it's a bilateral issue but right now they are wishing for US and others to put pressure on Pakistan. Pakistanis are very united this time, yesterday a poll came out and results were astonishing, 78% approve of China's support, 65% of Army's response and 95% support a full scale war. Pak is probing our defenses with repeated cheap drone swarms. They are looking for gaps and make no mistake, will try for a 'big' strike. I'm hoping/expecting that Indian defenses will minimize it, and that they have retaliation plans ready to roll that are humiliatingly public and massive.
singhvivek141 Posted May 10 Posted May 10 11 hours ago, Vancouver said: I think this thread is way too early and it's not time to pat on their back for either side. Reason being Pakistan has maintained that it has not retaliated yet, so deescalation now is in India's favor. India took two weeks after the attack, I guess Pakistan is waiting now. What happened yesterday on Indian media was coordinated effort, India has always maintained it's a bilateral issue but right now they are wishing for US and others to put pressure on Pakistan. Pakistanis are very united this time, yesterday a poll came out and results were astonishing, 78% approve of China's support, 65% of Army's response and 95% support a full scale war. Those numbers are questionable. We know how HeeraMandi operates...these number may have come up from the mind of a jernail in GHQ
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